LunaKage

Yep, except on Tager. Shit is awesome on Tager.

You're supposed to 6C > purple air grab. Not just 6C(1). The oki starts after they tech the purple throw. If they don't tech you get free oki anyways, I usually just crossunder.

Mitsuru, I haven't heard of her before, but looking her up, she looks like a bad ass.

It's terrible, except on Tager. The whole reason it works so well on Tager, is because he doesn't have an airdash or a double jump, so he can't go anywhere after he's in the air. Also, since his hitbox is so big, you can actually airdash after he techs and apply pressure, or you can wait until he lands, and then airdash close to the ground for more pressure+overhead. He can poke out with his own j.A, but if he does this you can just use thor and get a nice big combo off of it. It's very effective on Tager. Axis hates it.

j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5D > d.5C > 236B(wiff) oki in the corner awesome. j.D > d.6D > d.5D > d.5C > d.6D(wiff) > reload oki midscreen works just as well.

Assault Through recovers on wiff faster than the opponent recovers from both the untech time of d.5C + the recovery of the neutral tech animation.

You have two options if a j.D will put your back into the corner: 1. 6C(2): If you are really close enough to the corner that a j.D will put you into it, than the second hit of 6C should make them wall bound, at that point just follow up the wall bounce with 6C into drive ender. 2. j.D(ending with you in the corner) > d.6D > d.6B > d.5D > d.5C > Assault Through: This one is a bit tricky to explain, but bear with me. After a juggled d.5C you can use assault through, this does not combo, however if your opponent neutral techs, you have frame advantage, if they don't tech, they get hit by assault through as a blue beat. In this situation, if they tech, you have advantage and can pressure them, while they are a bit closer to the corner, if they decide to get hit, then assault through will send them into the corner, giving you better positioning.

Combo 1 off of 6B: Dropped because his opponent was too close to the ground so the second hit of 6C didn't connect. Combo 2 in the corner: Dropped because his 6C just flat out missed. This all happened because it's Gucci. Silly silly Gucci.

Tell that to Axis he's the one always saying "Gadget Finger isn't really oki". I think he's just so used to being DP'd that he forgets what Oki really is.

Noel is never happy about being back to neutral. Because we just have to find our way back in again.

Usually yes it will.

ok slow down a bit. your basic BnB is actually wrong, if you do what you are saying "6A > 6C > OB > 6C > j.D" then your opponent will be really high up, there are three ways to correct this: 1. Do the throw wiff combo "6A > 6C > BC(Wiff) > 66C > BC(wiff) > 66C > 236A > 66C > j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5D > d.5C > Bloom Trigger" 2. Go right into j.D, and skip optic barrel: 6A > 6C > j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5D > d.5C > Bloom Trigger 3. Do a super jump, and delay j.D slightly: 6A > 6C > 236A > 66C > super jump j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5D > d.5C > Bloom Trigger I usually either choose option 1 because it does the most damage, or option 2 because it is the safest option. About the Tager thing, you should delay the j.D just a bit, because if you are going too fast, d.6D will not connect, due to his hitbox bouncing. and yes, j.D reload works on everyone.

After GF Tager's 5A beats Noel's backdash, only time it doesn't is if the Tager was off a bit. And Noel's backdash is among the worst in the game, I'd kill to have Litchi's or Tao's backdash.

Damn, if only I was just a chicken blocking scrub. That's what really fucks me in this matchup, I never played CT "the right way" so up-backing is something I don't do, like ever.

That was never in this equation sir, in fact I forgot netplay even existed.

I don't think he knows what he means.

We get that Axis, it's exactly what I said, but we're trying to find out exactly WHY it's happening, since there seems to be clashing information. And it isn't just 720 either, when I neutral tech and you grab me with a normal 360, the same rules as a ground throw should apply right? Then why can't I hold up and beat it after a neutral tech?

yeah, something has to be up then, because that wouldn't make any sense, maybe it doesn't count for Noel :P

Because you're not throw invulnerable at frame one. You are only invulnerable after you are officially in the air, which is after frame 4, at frame 5 I believe, for Noel at least. The only reason your method works on normal throws is because they have long startup, Tager's command grabs become active much faster than a normal grab, especially his 720.

1. Yes, learn them, they will be good building blocks for the harder combos. 2. Yes you can TK it. 3. Yes it is just a matter of practice, it becomes second nature once you get used to it. Note however that it is harder to land on Tager due to his size. 4. We have a thread for that ;3

Hex is taking over the video thread for me because I'm busy with irl stuff. And since he LOVES himself some videos, I asked him to take care of it. Keep up the good work Ichi and LastStar.

Actually, Axis does this to me a lot. He will actually react to your neutral tech animation and hit a meaty Command Grab. The only way to beat it is to Quick Get-Up (Hold Down, and press tech) and then jump or 2D(if he is still gonna do the throw). I used this during my last tourney, since I never neutral teched, he never reacted to it with a meaty grab.

lol is that what I said? I certainly didn't mean that. I myself am a huge fan of the "nigga I don't even play this game" OS, so I am in no way disappointed in the players skill as a whole. I just wanna see what Chie's moves are capable of more, I can't even really theory fight a combo out because I haven't seen enough of her stuff.

Well damn, I'm sorry. In the future I'll be sure to not be disappointed at something. Not sarcastic either, I didn't know it was THAT bad.

Ok I was just making sure. I mean how silly of me, being sad that I can't see any cool combos yet.