The thing is, there are ways to condition people in those cases. For 2C whiff, and the distance you need to be for 2C whiff to work, you're pretty much saying "Please autopilot jump out of my pressure and punish me for attempting to hit you." And if you wait after the 2C whiff to see what they are going to do, then you're defeating the whole point of 2C whiff in the first place. Case in point: When I went to PNW, I tried 2C whiff after I thought I conditioned the other player to stay on the ground. I was punished every single time for it.