Elochai

GGs, Kobayashi. Fuck the Liz mirror now. Can't win that shit lmao.

I would say yes. If you constantly practice with those below your (subjective) skill level, then you can develop bad habits. For example, if you consistently play with people who can't apply pressure, or eat mixups all day, you may not know how to deal with being pressured, or what to do if your moves are blocked.

Since the last garu is like a normal garu, it follows the character specific rules (if we're calling them rules). Try it on like Akihiko or Naoto for the easiest results.

Screw Elizabeth? Woah, lol. But GGs man, GGs to Kobayashi too. Ninja needs to make a Dustloop account, I don't know why he hasn't yet.

I'm an Xbot .

So, I did the new Garu loop off of 5D FC. 5D FC > j.B > 236D [2] > 2B > j.B > 236D [2] > 2AB > 236D [9~2] > 2A > 5B > 5C (2) > 2C > 214B > Memento Mori does 7011 DMG (not sure about meter). On the other hand, 5D FC > 5B > 2AB > 236D [9~2] > 2A > 5B > 2AB > 236D [9~2] > 2AB > 5B > 5C (2) > 2C > 214B > Memento Mori does 6800 DMG. So, the new Japanese loop is better in terms of swag AND in terms of overall damage (since we're adding an extra garu for 300dmg). The combo is okayish in difficulty; I find it that the range from which you j.B can make or break the combo. Getting 5D FC and running to get the wallbounce and doing 5B is way easier than trying to run and then jump back for the close j.B confirm. Just some thoughts.

Is this on Xbox or Ps3 ?

Bace said the same. I was actually playing a bit ago in Omnipotent H's lobby, and dropped the 2B garu loop every time I tried. I suppose I gotta save this tech (as well as the pseudo sweep > 5D tech trap) for TSB next month.

So, is there an actual reason to use these new garu loops?

I'm gonna cry if there's no Xbox release.

Imo, yes. It's just 2B > jump cancel towards j.B. Not as hard to time as 2A imo.

Yeah, I was wondering about that loop in my earlier post. I've done that combo a few times in netplay today, but I'm not sure if it's better. IIRC, the standard garu loop off of 5D is like, 71 dmg higher.

The tournaments here are monthly, so I've only entered two for P4:A. The first one, I was like 16/30 (Bace destroyed me immediately, lol), and the second I came in 3/16. There wasn't a tournament for P4:A this month due to Guilty Madness, but hopefully I can actually take 1st place in December (and not get screwed by monitors that feel super foreign). I wanted to go to NEC, but my parents wouldn't let me. It's expensive as hell too, and being without a job (shoutouts to high school) I wouldn't have been able to afford it anyhow. Hopefully someone is going to represent the Liz army.

Next time you play BB you should shoot me a msg or something. I'd be down.

Well then, lol. My first tournament was this year, a few months after I turned 17. I don't wanna derail the thread or whatever, but have you entered any P4:A tournaments yet? If so, how'd you do? I'm curious as to how the American Liz is holding up tourney wise.

Try not playing BB since P4:A came out, and then going back to it and getting bodied by people you used to beat on for days. GGs man, we should play BB though, I need to un-rust in that lol.

Over a decade of competitive play? Now I'm feeling all young and shit, lol. Anyway, it seems like the new craze in Japan is 2B > j.B > d.garu > 2A x N. Besides the videos Kiba posted last night, such combos are also present in this video (it's a nico video). Kinda odd that this is the way the garu loops are being done now. I wonder if it's better meter wise or something. Edit: the video now has a Youtube link.

I used to have that issue. Then I grinded it out in the lab .

I didn't play any other Persona game but this one (shoutouts to Devil Survivor being my first SMT game), but I just saw Liz gameplay, and I was compelled. Her character is just so bubbly and aloof. Funfunfun. Giovanni, on characters where you can just [2] for Garu, you might as well do a third. Only works in the SB.Garu route and d.Garu starter IIRC.

I do Garu loops on most characters, though I don't bother doing them on Chie or Aigis, since I find them too hard. On the easier characters if I do 5B > sweep > ex garu [9~2] > d.garu [2], I'll do a sweep and another d.garu. On Chie/Aigis, I don't bother, lol. Most characters just involve you doing [9~3] for d.garu; the general rule is to go up, then down almost as fast.

Nah, it was an accident. I remember complaining about it in my XBL party, lol. I was mashing maziodyne, probably what I get for mashing it. My Yu is ass honestly, I only pick him to dick around, or to avoid Liz mirrors.

Yeah, I got salty when I lost, so I went to Yu haha. I have a certain degree of like for Liz mirrors, and that's only when I win lol.

Don't grades only work when they're within 1-2 grades of you? Something silly like that. I've always been iffy towards ranked in any game, and I much prefer player matches. I dunno. I can understand why someone wouldn't want to play as Liz. I suppose everyone would want to play as Aigis and do pseudo unreactable 2AB > j.B all day. Liz mirror isn't that hard though, all you have to do is Garudyne at the start of the match and you win.

I woke up at 7 something, and got on a bit after I woke up. I just kept remaking lobbies. You have the weirdest Liz ever H, I swear lol. You made me pick Yu .

I don't believe in the whole grading system, lol. I'd consider myself "good", yet I don't play ranked. Hell, I'd be like in the top 10 EXP wise if I played ranked. Anyhow I dunno why Liz isn't popular, I thought people liked her in FES. Lol @ people working hard to be good with Mitsuru.