LegendaryRath

At the moment, the information we've been given is mostly negative. Once we see some footage or hear more, I'm sure we'll understand more of the "good" I'm really looking forward to seeing her be different at all. Change is exciting.

We're unsure how those moves work so far, just having vague information from twitter. On paper she has a laundry list of nerfs, affecting everything from damage and hitboxes to invulnerability and special properties. I'm willing to wait until I see how this'll all play out though. We don't even have footage of her or her shadow yet.

Yes, I'm just not sure exactly what would do the trick without being problematic.

I'm curious as well, but I'd say we need to wait and find out. Considering that fundamental aspects of the characters, like bnbs, might not be the same between both versions, it would make sense. Then again, if the differences are miniscule, then it might not matter.

Any chance we can get dedicated threads for Junpei and Yukari? It'd be nice to have all the up to date information in one place, instead of having to search through dozens of posts here.

It seems likely that it'll be similar to Ex and get it's own release, it's just not confirmed yet.

Who do you play in p4a? Really, I'm curious.

Hopefully we can see some footage of the shadow versions of characters. I'm curious to see Yukari in-game as well, being one of my favorite p3 characters.

Junpei has 10000 health. I just did some math watching the video Kurushii posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5njd88-UNaU

That hosting a lot thing you just mentioned... Do that. Ted, stop complaining about balancing. No one even plays this game anymore. Besides, Liz is the ONLY character so far the keep ALL her damage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5njd88-UNaU

Thanks Suna, updated the OP. Specific B Normals can be canceled by holding down the button long enough. - Vague, but certainly not a bad thing.

We're just using it as a placeholder name.

It seems like damage has been nerfed across the board.

It'd be sweet if the shadow characters were different enough to warrant making separate threads just for them. I would go ham with Shadow Mitsuru.

I'm hoping all the shadow characters play a lot different from they're normal versions. From what I can tell, Shadow Kanji seems quite different, so maybe it'll be similar for the whole cast. Effectively doubling the roster would be really awesome.

This is my believe for all characters regarding nerfs and buffs. If you're going to take something away, you need to replace it with something that fills the same role, to the effect that was originally intended. Simply removing stuff is how you end up with EX Makoto. Since they seem to be adding new moves to each character and changing things as fundamental as the autocombos, I'm willing to have faith. We wont know where all the characters will end up until we can actually play the game for ourselves. It's just a loketest after all. Stuff can, and probably will, change. edit: I'm mostly just hoping that they succeed in breathing lots of new life into this game. I'm so hype for this right now. It seems like most people at the loketest REALLY feel like this is a brand new game, far from just a patch. I'm hoping we all get the same feeling.

I'm not sure if Friday will work for me anymore to stream. I can try to open some time up, but it would help to know what works for you guys.

It also seems that some of the other shadow characters have unique moves and combo paths. This makes me really curious to see what shadow mitsuru can do. edit: Made some more updates to the original post. I'm content for the moment. Need sleep, for realzies this time.

If you're worried about mitsuru being a problem... go ahead and look at her changes so far. http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?16901-P4A2-Mitsuru-Shadow-Mitsuru-info-Loketest-Discussion I'm getting worried lol, But I have faith :P I'm still uber excited edit: also Narukami lost his sweep > 5D oki. It still seems possible to set up 5D oki in the corner though.

I think I'm gonna catch some sleep and update this again tomorrow. Thanks for all the help thus far. It seems like They really wanted to Nerf Mitsuru. I'm willing to withhold judgement for now though. It's possible that she might gain a lot too, so we'll just need to wait until we see some footage. Hopefully we get some more information on her shadow soon. I'm really curious. edit: OK I can't sleep. Made a few more changes to the OP, also including some general information about the shadow versions of all characters.

Thanks Antiquarian! Updated the main post with your info. edit: let me get to work on your update. Thanks again for all the help.

Since all the other characters have a thread for this, I figured why not make one too. Please post any information regarding Mitsuru and her shadow here. I'll do my best to update the original post as we gather info. I'd like to give an Enormous thanks to Stunedge and all the others who have been keeping us up to date in Japan. I'd also like to thank Antiquarian, and everyone else who has contributed by helping organize the massive amount of information we've been receiving. Lastly, thanks Omex for helping translate so much stuff. I'm sorry if I'm forgetting anyone. Thanks for all the help guys! ~~~ Dengeki Article for Mitsuru ~~~ Third Loketest Information Below. Much of it will be shamelessly copy/pasted from Omex's translation notes HERE From Translation Notes: "B Droit > 2A = still gone B droit has become slower Lots of moves have increased recovery, like j.c and marin karin Recovery after throw has been reduced(?) Throw 5AA5B2B C Bufu 4B B Droit = 2740 FC Combo seems to be the same Yukiko still can’t punish Mitsuru DP before she lands Droits are Fatal Recovery Sweep still does not Fatal 2B Ch may be different than it is in current rev (more floaty?) droit now becomes super fast if it goes through D BUfula, freezes on hit rumor: 5a lower hitbox strengthened (does not whiff certain chars crouching, etc) [5B] > Dash cancel is advantageous for Mitsuru. 236236AB kick does 4800 at full charge Raw B Setsuna > C > D > Charged kick did ~3900 Mitsuru 5A backstep cancel might be in (rumor) High air hit b droit > 2A pickup might be possible (rumor) Before last hit 5AAA can be canceled into B and C moves. (iirc, it’s a millionstab esque normal that looks like setsuna) Last hit can only go into C moves. 2B’s head invuln may start up slower now SB Mahabufudyne has long invuln, short recovery 236236AB may have 236236A startup with B setsuna damage. B Droit > D Bufu did not combo Tentarafoo seems ot have very little recovery SB Tentarafoo seems to be an ‘STG” character counter tool. (shooting game? zoners? ww) Seems to be good for beating Aigis 2B and Yukiko fans j.D’s pullin speed and range has been increased, can combo after with 5a depending on spacing Most FC combos from current ver still work" ~~~ SECOND LOKETEST INFORMATION BELOW. ShardZ was able to attend the Taito Station loketest in Osaka. I firmly believe that this is the best set of information available so far. Shamelessly copy/pasted from ShardZ post (with permission), thanks! Here is a google doc made by Omex where he is organizing several metric tons of information. As I update this post with info from the second loketest, I will be referencing it a lot. THANKS OMEX! If I'm unsure how to interpret some information or if it hasn't been translated, then I wont include it here. In some cases below, I just copied and pasted information from the google doc. Buffs 5B is now forward dash cancel-able 5C is forward dash cancel-able every third hit, backdash cancel-able every sixth hit 5C > dash-cancel allows for a combo on air hit Shadow Mitsuru auto combo gets around 35% meter Tentarafoo looks hellastrong(™)。With this, mitsu could look to catch jumps way more often。Dial A (auto-combo?) > Tentarafoo comboed Nerfs Damage Nerf, nothing unexpected. "no longer able to do over 5k damage unless you’ve successfully beaten fire emblem 4" B droit normal hit > 2A doesn't work anymore (Still works on fatal counter) *rumor* cannot hold 4 to make b droit travel less distance, cannot control the distance as well *rumor* cannot cancel [5B] into anything but droit? Other Her new Tentarafoo move is in fact the ice wave mentioned in previous loketest notes. Shadow mitsu is a weak, cute type of girl? 2DD is "really cool!" (whatever that means) ~~~ FIRST LOKETEST INFORMATION BELOW, TAKE IT ALL WITH A GRAIN OF SALT *****I would like to emphasize that this is the first loketest. The current state of the game does NOT represent the finished product we will end up getting. Most likely, the balancing and end result will be differ significantly from what we know now. Buffs: New move: Tentarafoo, confuses opponent. Performed with [4]6C/D New move: ground ice wave projectile. Bufudyne appears to come out faster. D Bufula travels roughly half screen distance. New Auto Combo (Buff? probably, since her previous one was decent at best) 2DD now causes slide, side swaps and followup combos presumably easier SB Bufudyne takes up roughly 3/4 of the screen Specific B Normals can be canceled by holding down the button long enough. Sweep is hop cancel-able on block. Hop > j.B is relatively fast. AoA faster? (rumored, not confirmed) Possible for new autocombo to combo start to finish on air hit. 5C is dash/back-dash cancel-able. Nerfs: [*]Possible major damage nerf. Jiyuna tweeted "Hahah. Mitsuru standard corner bnb with Air mirror and Super ender....3100 damage." [*]If her DP is blocked, she slows down and is easily punishable. [*]2B is slower. [*]Can no longer combo off 2D (this could mean that you can't pick them up as they fall after the freeze) [*]D follow up doesn't pull as far (Not sure how this will affect combos) [*]Second hit of auto combo is lower. (Confirmed now that this makes 5AA > 5B air combos impossible, so this is a bad thing.) [*]5AA > 5B combo no longer works on an airborne opponent (Dang...) [*]Coup Droit B is "much shorter" [*]Coup Droit A is "slower" [*]Bufudyne is smaller [*]Invuln changes to 2B and sweep (Assuming this is a bad thing) [*]DP range shortened / DP hitbox changed (assuming smaller) [*]Droit hitbox is smaller (assuming smaller vertical hitbox, will catch airborne opponents less) [*]Bufudyne no longer air unblockable. Other [*]Blocked DP > Super still in. [*]Mitsuru still has 4 cards [*]CH air throw combos still in! [*]CH j.C functions the same. [*]2B > 2DD > 4B > 2B > C Bufu > 5B > sweep > b droit = stable [*]5B is still a fatal counter. [*]Her B normals can still be held. [*]Sweep still fatals. [*]Standard 5AA > 6B > sweep crouch confirm still works. [*]It seems like corner fatal combos are possible, very similar if not identical to what's currently possible. [*][5B] still crumples on fatal counter. [*]2B doesn't combo in current corner combo. [*]Tentarafoo might not hit while opponent is frozen. [*]2A chains into itself 3 times (2AAA still works) [*]5D and j.D still combo, just in a different way. General/Universal Information (regarding all characters and the game as a whole): [*]Shadow type characters carries meter over the round. Shadow characters have no burst and awakening. Shadow berserk mode is like OC from SF (Stunedge twitter) [*]Guardroll added. (Thanks Omex) [*]Air moves can now be used after backdash, seems like it's confirmed for all characters now. (Thanks Omex) [*]Whiffed DPs are not fatal counterable by all moves. False rumors [*]Damage seems significantly lower for ALL characters, not just Mitsuru [*]Normals used while short-hopping are not overheads (Looks that way) [*]All characters appear to have short-hop cancelable moves [*]Attacks can be performed quicker after short-hopping than in p4a [*]projectile invul from 1st frame for QE, Naoto trap, Yukiko agi, Mitsuru Bufula oki can all be dodged by wakeup QE *Stunedge [*]recovery time after counter hit on air gets shorter for every characters (e.g. Naoto 5A anti-air, Yukiko 2B counter hit) *Stunedge [*]AoA hit on air can be recovered very fast, no more guaranteed knockdown *Stunedge [*]S hold system, holding A button for while will automatically activate some skill which is slightly different than the regular one (e.g. Yukiko will activate C maharagi with invul time *Stunedge [*]

I'm hoping she'll lose here sweep/AoA oki. And maybe j.C should have upper body property. And maybe 5A shouldn't be +1. Oh and let us CH her AoA if we manage to block it. Sorry to bag on your character so much, but she's already bonkers without that stuff. I'm hoping they blow up mitsuru's proration and make something other than 5A viable in pressure, like her 2A. Also, JUNPPPPEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIII bout time. So we have GG +R, xrd, BBCP, and now a new persona to get hyped about. Fuck Capcom. Almost forgot about the anime there for a sec.

GGs Vinegar. Chilling, talking with you and Tspeeds was the highlight of my day. Just keep playing for fun and to improve as a player. I still love your name btw.

Sweet. If Friday works for you guys, I'm available all day. I could probably set up the stream after 6:00 or 7:00pm Sat and Sun, once I'm off work.