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Titanomachia combos are considered burst safe. There are very specific spots (read like 2) where you can burst, but even those aren't guaranteed, and if she has another 50 meter she can take out some of those. If you do burst during Titano and it's unsuccessful, you're going to die as well. So like, if a SLab is doing the right combos and Titano sequences, you may only have one chance to burst(possibility that chance isn't even there) and if you do burst wrong you're dying. Look at the history of people bursting BKen in tournament during Titano and then losing. Of course if you primarily fight SLab's who aren't doing the right confirms or Titano sequencing, you might assume there are some parts where it'd be okay to burst because you aren't being punished for them. That's how these things start, you base this off what you've encountered, and if you haven't encountered SLab doing these things you might not know. Again, I really sat this one out, but the argument starts with one person saying something untrue, they get corrected, say that the correction is wrong, get corrected again, "then it's just my opinion", etc. It's a really common thing in fighting game twitter, that's why the jokes about opinions started up. On the subject of fact vs opinion, something that is not hard fact can still be a known truth. "2B is a good anti-air" isn't something you'd define as a fact the way we're taught these days, but it's a generally believed truth. "Stealing is wrong" for a more extreme example, we all know that's a truth, but if you go by the new textbook definition of things it's just an opinion. Some opinions can still be true or false based on what we know.

I mean I should really not respond to this, but 2 things: When I say "you're not good enough for this advice" I mean literally people are asking for advice that isn't applicable at their skill level. It happens all the time, people ask me about a MU or situation and they need to understand some things better before looking for those answers. Idk what Bace is up to but that's like, a harsh reality sometimes. This is what I mean by lower level players misinterpreting things or just not understanding what's going on. If I took the time to take every really low level player and walk them through everything up to the question they're asking, I might as well just be a full time FG teacher cause that's all I'll be doing. Walk before you run, etc. I don't really say things like that anymore and I do try, but I will just give shorter tidbits and point players along instead of giving them advice way above their heads. The Barzorx thing on twitter was whatever. Everybody who was apart of that was being a huge asshole, opinions can be wrong, etc. "I'm just giving my opinion" isn't an excuse to be saying things that are blatantly false or misleading, but somebody doing that doesn't give you the right to go hard on them. I remember I was actually the one telling people to just ignore the dude and forget about it, then everybody involved started getting dumber. The best part was most of the top level people actually did just drop it, but the people below them I was telling to drop it kept on going. A lot of the top players are fine tbh. The people right below them were talking too much, and the other groups who had fantasies about top players being scumbags to beat fueled off it, I actually left that skype group before Doonpa did even cause it was dumb, a lot of people bailed. This is just more of people thinking like we're some super tight knit scheming people when we're all just good at a video game and hang out. "White Knighting" is one of those phrases that tips me off to people not understanding how different groups of people operate. Twitter has gotten out of control though, I bailed on the site cause the toxicity in the AFGC in general is so fucking insane. Shit's so personal when people are getting worked up over a game, it's time to chill.

No I mean I'm pushing for us to try and drive down on Thursday and get there Thursday night so we have time Friday to rest and do things. I've done this drive before, you don't wanna do 10+ hours then have to be up at 8AM the next day to play your pool.

I'm pushing for us to leave on Thursday btw

Some of my notes from playing with Bace: -On the ground, Aigis has to play around Narukami 5B range and it's risky. Her main option is to sweep under 5B which loses things like 2B/5C. The range at which she can whiff punish without jumping doesn't give her high reward. Risk/Reward on the ground is pretty poor, so it's best to force Narukami into a range where air movement is hard to react to. -2B sucks in this MU. You're not reacting to anything with it and it'll get stuffed in most normal use situations. Unless a situation is guaranteed to be safe it's not worth throwing out usually. -Right outside of 5B range, low angled tri jump j.C is strong with high reward. It's not something that can be reacted to very well and will cause things like 5B to whiff. -in air-to-air j.C is high reward and can be low risk. Narukami j.2B challenges it well but in most scenarios that has to be preemptive. -All known DP safe and fuzzy guard set ups work on Narukami -When Narukami has pressure, just block a lot and wait for a chance to jump out usually. If he gets 5B happy sweep is a high risk high reward option. 2B is poor. 5A mash is good vs some of the looser strings that rest pressure. It's really straightforward. Narukami on the ground has a big risk reward advantage so you want to force him into spots where he has to challenge air to air or move out of the way. Straightforward.

Yeah we all know Desjah. He comes through to most of our Saturday meet ups. We have a lot of people wanting to go so we'll have to figure out a plan.

You can come help us fight off the unseen horrors in Naimat's backyard.

I will say that is not an unreasonable thing. I have a condition where sometimes my view of events is a bit warped if certain parts of my anxiety are peaking. A lot of people in gaming might have stuff going on, and it's inconsiderate of me to not think of it. It's hard to empathize with sheer anger and nasty feelings flying out though, we should probably communicate better and take less offense to things unless we know the whole story. People are weird, I've been on both ends of this.

On the subject of making fun of people, I mean, I can't control twitter. People are assholes. There are a lot of new players that say absurd things. I'm not going to lie, I laugh at the idea of Adachi's DP being amazing for those reasons, it's a pretty comical new player mistake. At the same time, a lot of people would either ignore that, or just say "hey, that's not how this works." Then people go off the rails and that's how it happens. The twitter part of the community is weird monster mash of people, and lots of nasty shit happens there going a lot of ways. Been there, done that. I dunno what to tell you, but making fun of inexperienced players is pretty rare outside of "wow that sounds ridiculous" type stuff. People should probably take more time to educate somebody rather than laughing, but laughing happens. Sometimes it's just the absurdity too. Like, people don't know when they're making fun of a situation or another player. This happens to me all the time, I'll be playing online and something absurd happens. I make a tweet about how funny it is, and that player sees the tweet and thinks I'm making fun of them. This happened recently, a Margaret made a bad DP and I got a FC into a mortar loop. It was really funny how it happened and somebody took it as me gloating over them that I did that to them. That could've happened to anybody and I would just be really excited and laughing that it happened. This happened when I was streaming too. I was fighting a Chie player who was doing really escapable set ups for oki instead of safejumps. I was saying things like "This is person is pretty good, I don't know why they are using these set ups" and I would groan when they kept happening. I would deal with them and keep winning, but I was genuinely confused why they'd be doing that and was pretty disappointed cause they were playing fine otherwise. I got a message saying "why is my name in your mouth" and I was like, uh, I'm not trying to be rude but that's how I felt. I didn't just say they were shit and laugh at them, I was just like "Why are they doing these set ups I'm DPing and escaping over and over again?" Idk what it is, but people take their wins and losses online or in casuals super seriously, and any criticism at them or Ls they take seem to hit hard. Then the defensive-ness and lashing happens. Like I wouldn't intentionally try to put people down, but I can't comment about what I think of play or moments that happen? I don't get it. I lose online a lot, I've taken some hard Ls here and there but I still believe in myself and kind of know where I'm at. I also have people say things about my play I know is true, I die because I'm sloppy and when I get nervous I mash a lot. I accept that. Sometimes I have people who say I'm wrong. People made fun of me for blowing up fuzzy jump, and I could've got defensive but I let it rock some. Turns out I was mostly right about that at the end of the day and I can be okay with that. I was annoyed yeah, but the way things are with the internet and all what are you gonna do? The real problem is when malice pops up. There are people who really just don't like others for reasons or another, or really get off on putting others down. That latter group actually doesn't happen in the better players very much, but my god the former. We're a really small group, personal problems run deep and leave these big lasting impressions. You would be really surprised to understand that a lot of these problems happen not over information, it's over people not liking others. People start fights with me here because they didn't like me as a mod, I know that. There are people I don't acknowledge because they've gone out of their way to hurt me or I don't approve of them. It happens. BUT, when somebody is right about a game they're right. I'm not gonna dispute that. The undertones get really, really rough though and people not "in the know" with the twitter stuff get a lot of wrong impressions. Edit: I'm not saying I'm not part of the problem, that would be dumb. These are just my experiences in this mess.

For the sake of community, having been friends and part of the better, "top player" Persona circles, it kind of goes both ways. A lot of us have our own quirks and problems, and I will say most of us are pretty bad at trying to talk to other players. I'm not a god player by any means, but I've spent enough time with a lot of them and play with them and perform well and understand a lot of the game. A lot of us actually understand and spend hundreds of hours combing through multiple games. There's a lot of investment, and between each other there are generally agreed upon truths of game theory and optimal play within a specific game. So when somebody comes along and, well, tries to invalidate that based off their own view we get kind of annoyed. It's really hard to try and raise the level of the scene and help out when somebody refutes your claims based on inadequate experience. And like, how do you deal with that? You don't. Persona manages a bit better because our top players tend to be more lowkey and the clique that surrounds them is pretty easy to penetrate. It still sucks though. I operated under the impression of "I need to end misinformation", and the people coming to us were okay with that. The problem was for the people who refuted me I was really harsh on, mostly out of frustration. Like, understand my position, I was really awful. I was really fortunate to become friends with Bace and some people though, my second major offline event was NEC 2013. 5 out of top 8 finishers were in my hotel room, I spent that weekend playing with all these people and taking in all of their knowledge. I learned a lot of my problems, gained a huge understanding and so on, just by appreciating and playing and listening. Did I think this made me better? No. I thought I was ass actually, I came home and watched hundreds of hours of videos, listened to everything I could, questioned other things with an open mind, etc. Nobody was saying "we're just better cause we win", a lot of people were saying "We wish others could have the same understanding." And there was actually a pretty sizable amount of players willing to listen. People said wrong things all the time, constantly. We weren't mad at them, we'd correct them and try to help them. A lot of us became Dustloop mods, we tried to make things, we did a lot. Then people would really question and push, and a lot of resentment built up over anything we had to offer being disregarded. Like think about it, you go through all that and see the game go further, and people will say heavily contradicting statements and then back up those statements with very minor things. When it's corrected, I think people got the idea of "we're better because we play offline, cause we win, we put up numbers." That's not really the case, a lot of it is "we play the game in a more optimal environment, we've had the chance to experience high level play, we've shown some understanding of it, and our statements line up with the logic." That's when mistakes were really made, because some people started drawing lines of "netplay vs offline" and so on. And what's worse is we didn't discourage that. What's really bad is that I became incredibly frustrated with the misinformation and attitudes being flung around I just put my foot down. I felt I was in the position to do so, and I was really mean about it. "No more misinformation, fuck your feelings, I care more about people reading correct info." It's real easy to get fed up. It didn't help that I started getting death threats and people would harass me over PSN, threaten to hurt me at tournaments, etc. I didn't want to shut people but I did. Remember when Barzorx was Aki mod? A lot of people had problems with his attitude and what he said. When his name got brought up I said I wasn't too keen on him, but others said give him a chance. I said he can maybe learn something and straighten out whatever issues he had and he can get a chance. Whenever he had his whole meltdown all my info got thrown up on 4Chan and I got brigaded in his name, even though I hadn't messed with it in months. A decision I made to try to help out the situation drove me to quit Dustloop and messing with it. So like, there was no winning no matter how you cut it from my perspective. I couldn't catch a break, in a community defined by misconceptions and freedom of opinion, I shouldn't have tried to change that. It was really abrasive, I was rude, I was fed up as shit. I was also diagnosed with PTSD(I was misdiagnosed with mental disorders before hand) and it turns out a lot of the attitudes thrown at me were pretty personally harmful. You try being in that position, where any hard work or serious study was thrown out the window to the idea that people can say what they want and it be fine. That's not fine, the big egos and grudges and the need to control spaces, that's not fine and a lot of people were guilty of that. It was only less so by the fact the Persona space was smaller and younger, and there was less personal history involved in it. Now I come back to the forum, and it looks like things have gotten better in Persona since personal problems seemed to be buried. Elsewhere though, Idk. I don't want to post here anymore to get dragged into an argument that detracts from the game and is aimed more at personally discrediting me. I've mostly dropped the habits of arguing and being down on others, but I come right back and it's fiercer than ever and I have trouble avoiding it. I don't like to say things on twitter because "call out culture" is at its highest and things are really personal. You don't get credit in this community for being right, you get credit for proving somebody is wrong. Your spectacle vs somebody who wasn't liked got you big points, and almost everybody played into that. People at the top see this, people below them resent it, clashes happen, etc. Anyways, I'm tired of a lot of the fighting. I've mostly made peace with my mistakes, there are a lot of people I'd like to apologize to for various reasons or another, but not much I can do about it. Just moving forward, I'd like to try and not play that game with people but it's really difficult. We've all been kinda shitty to each other and feelings won't go away overnight, some probably shouldn't. Not much of a way to live though, it sucks trying to talk about fighting games and not knowing who's going to call you out next. It's not a way to live when I have to avoid twitter or events because Idk how I'll be treated over a video game. But I helped create the mess, all I can do now is deal with it best I can. I helped give the mess to quite a different people too, but oh well. The only thing I can say is, it's totally fixable but I lot of people have to actually want to fix it outside of their own interests. Just like, listen to who think is right. If somebody says something, take the time to read it and see if it makes sense. If somebody is being a problem, you don't have to go at them. You can just keep doing what you're doing and hope it does enough to make things better. Support those who are doing well and helping positively so they can shine and that can be the message. I can't stress that enough. When somebody is being a problem, you can just let them go and focus on doing something better instead. Edit: Slight clarification. I didn't think I was better for showing up to an event and hanging out with top players. I do want to say though that experience and experiences like that lead to me pursuing getting better and gave me a good base to learn from. Just because you do well at an event, go to events, hang with top players, etc. doesn't make you better or worse, but it does give you opportunity to learn and assess the game and yourself. If you do well or understand more or play better, you need to know WHY that's case within context of the game. It's not enough to say "I got a trophy and talk to major winners therefore I'm right", which it might come off as. I'm just showing where the pursuit came from and how eye opening it can be to have your perceptions changed like that.

I like made this thing, it's a lot of info on how to properly defend yourself vs Aigis since she breaks a lot of rules. I would put this in the Aigis forum, but it's not for Aigis players. It's for non-Aigis players to see and learn how to deal with her horseshit just a little bit better. https://www.evernote.com/shard/s589/sh/be7c451a-775f-4f5a-9abb-6e4e2fbb4676/60121a31b193478b0eb64b807a603398 Hope it helps/

I mean there are nuances to it like I said. You have to factor in how exposure would affect situations like that and decide if that person being hosted on your site is more detrimental than just hosting content about the discovery without listing that person. It's not very simple, sometimes you should do it, sometimes you shouldn't, etc. Ethical questions. You don't wanna host somebody on your site, then they use that exposure (linked to your site) to promote a hate message or something equally dumb.

I agree, it shouldn't be like that, but atm it currently is like that. I was apart of that at some point or another and can attest to it happening many times. It's super shitty. I will say there is more to it outside of just info (like should you host somebody who has a huge public image problem?) and nuances but atm it's kind of messy.

You say that now, but a lot of DL's prior mods and team came up that way, and that type of stuff is /heavily/ ingrained into this site and the AFGC. I would know, I used to be a part of it. "Professionalism" and the AFGC are at odds with each other so you'll need to have a really concentrated push and somebody in an editor position who you trust can prevent that from happening and is qualified, which is super hard to get atm.

Guest writers exist over on SRK too, they are just more heavily curated and very rare. We have to ask a bunch of questions before putting somebody up. Also elitism is a word I see thrown around a lot. Sometimes people just know more and are more worth listening to and promoting, sometimes somebody is the opposite. Also politics do play into this too. That's where it gets messy. Who you are, who you know, who's respect you have, what clique you belong to etc. are a big hurdle to getting stuff up. That's where elitism becomes a factor.

The first thing I was told when I got more mod rights here: "Never, under any circumstances, unban Sogos" true story

So, I'm gonna talk some more about things in a practical way. For those who don't know me, I used to admin here and I now work for SRK. I can give you a bit of insight into what it's like to be on the news coverage side of things. To start off with, lemme dispell some sort of myth right now. There is no money in coverage. What little there is not even enough to live on unless you dedicate your life to it. We don't have a ton of money, we can't afford to send people around, we can barely afford the time to even think about looking for articles. So like, there's a finite limit of coverage for the entire FGC and smaller niche communities are going to have to work harder to get their stuff up. That's just how it is. We actually can't work hard enough so it's going to take the community working with us to make better things happen, and it's hard ass thankless work. On top of that, finding content takes up time. We rely on tips and community feedback to make up that time. I'll tell you right now the amount of anime content in our tip box is outright abyssmal. There's next to nothing there compared to the torrent of tips we get for other games. So then it's like go look for things to cover, right? Isn't the problem here that the main hub for AFGC content is dead? So I have to go spend a lot of time digging through different Twitter cliques for a glimmer of anything to write about. And that is honestly it's own problem. The AFGC is so splintered and has so many cliques and in fighting it's hard to get much done. My own efforts recently were met with hostility from some super petty nonsense I don't care about. It's honestly it's own nightmare, trying to navigate this super split scene that has constant in fighting with very sporadic leaders. And that's just the mess trying to find the content. Then I finally get content, and tbh compared to a lot of other scenes AFGC content is miles behind. A lot of the videos we get are small tiny clips we have trouble doing much with. Some other content ends up being so inappropriate at times we have to question to put it up. Tournament vids are all nico rips that are questionable to be posting on such a visible place. To back this up, I heard about a good sounding stream and wanted to post it up, a GG stream, but the people involved declined coverage with worries of their content being subpar. I won't knock them for that, but that's just a sign that says "up your content game" to me. Like, I get people have a chip on their shoulder about how things have been and that's not unjustified, but there legitimate reasons why working with the AFGC is hard. And I'm not perfect, things have fallen through on our end due to me not being prepared for some things. But seriously, there's a two way road here that we need to be using. Here's some things that help make coverage easy: +send tips. Tweets, tip box, whatever. My old Gmail (therealanneifrank@Gmail.com) forwards to my SRK email, and I'll work with DL to help get content more appropriate to them over here. +make better content. Put more effort in, fact check more, work together. Remember if this is for a general audience be appropriate. +Advertise better and work as a community. Side tournament coverage? Pump it up and let people know it's happening. Some super crazy stream? Should let people know ahead of time. Need to get things going between others? Communicate, even if it's just on a professional level. +Support content that gets made. RT, share, discuss. Any content that goes up here is never mentioned. When I put up my CEOtaku story on SRK, it got like no RTs and nobody in the community mentioned it on social media, even when it featured a community member. People ask about podcasts all the time, go listen to SDR. There's no point in making content for an audience that won't actually consume it. Like really I'm trying to be as level with everybody as I can that these are some hurdles that you gotta work together to get over. Drop any BS, make smart decisions, and just actually do it and it will come. Also be patient and have reasonable expectations. This takes time.

People wanted to do these things before. They were basically ignored at best and condescended towards at worst for their efforts, while the rest of the moderation team disappeared or fucked off to do whatever it was they were concerned with doing. What great motivation to do unpaid, volunteer work that hardly anybody ever noticed or mentioned. I don't see any reason for that to change now unless something internal actually changes. The moderation team who basically sat and let the site go to shit while a very small handful of mods tried to do anything should probably not be the ones moderating. I know some people are friends, there are cliques and internal politics and whatever and we wanna play nice, but really come on. While I was here it was me trying to clean up mess after mess with like 4 other people while eating the brunt of the shit for visibly trying to do anything. Occasionally somebody lights a fire in the otherwise vacant staff forum and this happens for a week or so before people get bored and drift away again. Like, why would I spend time doing that for free while everybody else around me is not caring and any work I do basically amounts to nothing? Maybe it'd help if people worked together to bring that work out, or at least didn't ignore it. I'm not sure what the solution is there, but honestly the feeling of "shit's dead it's pointless" was so pervasive and just reinforced by everybody really doing nothing. Some people work hard but it's just not enough. What really got me was when I finally decided it wasn't worth it and left, then people decided to say something. This is all stuff I talked about before I left, things I was saying were issues that just were left alone and are now just awful looking. What's different now? What's going on behind the scenes to make me think this fire will last more than a month at best? I don't wanna kill your vibe, but I do wanna challenge to actually present solutions other than just being excited and trying harder.

I still play Persona, BB, and UNiEL at a relatively decent level. I was starting to play Xrd some but the recent developments made me lose pretty much all interest for the current build. I'm still interested in stuff like Skullgirls and Yatagarasu, I just haven't had the "spark" or whatever to actually get on SG and Yata isn't out yet. Patrick is like on suicide watch thanks to the new Xrd stuff. I'll play anything I listed if it helps out.

Yeah, I just wanted to relate it based off information we have on this type of OS in other games. At the moment it doesn't look like it has any of the cons of the SF4 OS, which is why I think it'll end up being useful. What's really funny is this allows you to input a fuzzy DP OS without the risk of the DP coming out. So during pressure, just mash 6231 with FD and if they block trying to bait something you just FD, if they hit something you just DP it. They can just throw you I guess since that shouldn't trigger the OS. but then you can just mash them so whoop/ A fun thing abou tthis we discovered today, is that moves have the proc block box existing during their start up frames. So in theory, you can kara a move into FD to bait this OS out. I tested this and it totally works! The problem is though, that proc block hitbox only exists for a few frames and you need those frame to overlap with their OS input, which is incredibly difficult and probably not practical. It is an interaction that does exist though. Edit: So, here's the real silly part of all this. When you input this OS, you're going to get one of two outcomes. FD, or the move, right? Well, if you can assume one of those options will occur, in the case of FD happening, you can layer another input on top of the FD. This way you can actually OS between the special move, FD, or another input in the event of FD, adding another layer to it. You can ever go so far as to add YRC OS into one of those spots if you have between 25-49 tension, which lets you YRC through these neutral situations in a pretty safe way.

I just wanna point out there's a designated hitbox attached to each move that will trigger proximity block. It's still an invisible hitbox, just instead of it being something that is considered a strike that causes hit/blockstun, it just causes a block animation if you hold back. Here's an example from SF4, that big yellow box extending outward won't cause hit or blockstun of course, but if you holw back while it overlaps you it causes proximity guard http://i39.tinypic.com/nb4zf6.jpg SF4 actually has a version of this OS, but without something like FD taking priority over another input, you'd have to mask it by whiffing something else. So a character would input like cr.MK, layer the input for an Ultra on it, then block. If the opoonent tried to hit something after the cr.MK whiffed that triggers proximity block, Ultra comes out. If not, you just block. Here it is: https://youtu.be/McUB3Pey1WEwatch the Cammy player's inputs. She's hiding the OS inside of the cr.MP, then the fireball trips proximity guard, bam Ultra comes out. Unfortunately in SF4, you have to mask this by whiffing something(with enough frames to hide the buffer at that), which makes the usefulness go way down considering how bad whiffs in neutral tend to be. On top of that, the OS can be triggered in ways that make it not desirable in a number of situations as well rather easily. Also it's really hard to do properly, and the engine is pretty good at fucking it up. In Xrd, FD taking priority gets rid of the huge con of having to hide it inside something, so that's a huge plus. Plus the types of situations that happen in Xrd probably favor this type thing more, as well as the types of moves you'll be OSing. If none of those cons present in the SF4 variant pop up, then I guess this will see a lot more use. In theory of how Xrd tends to work in general, this will probably be pretty useful in a number of spots. I would like to point out real quick that situations that normally deal with the primary option you'll be OSing under the FD will probably play out the same. Stuff like Milla disc or Zato doing safe oki should still work okay by my guess. I'd also like to take the time to point out people cried rivers for days when it was found in SF4 proclaiming neutral game was dead. Nowadays people don't even talk about it and its presence in the overall meta is incredibly low. It ended up being something to not account for in that game, so it's good to be wary of this particular family of option selects, as they haven't played out well in other games.

Yes. I'm going to keep this simple, if your opponent is throwing you, input barrier tech where you'd want to be teching that throw. It's actually that simple. Sometimes they'll frame trap you or TRM, that's the mix up, that's life as a fighting game player haha. I don't mean to sound condescending, but that's all there is to it. To beat grabs you either tech the grab or mash/jump/avoid the situation, and you make those guesses off what the other player is doing. Various OSes exist to make the commitment a bit safer or cover multiple options, but the mix up is still the mix up. No need to over complicate or overthink it.

Not gonna tell you it sucks, but 668 is reasonable with a bit of practice. It's definitely an odd thing to learn to do at first.

After doing the j.2B, you can buffer the 66 pretty early then just hold 8. Other than that practice it a bunch.

They are a core part of her gameplan, you can technically go without them, but you miss out on a lot and might as well pick somebody else if you can't be bothered. It's pretty easy to remember what works on who since there are like "families" of hitboxes in this game