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New? Axl has been Zappa's worst matchup since #Reload (in XX is was Slayer, the only 2-8 match). Axl's range is the primary thing that just shuts him down, especially with the sword, even though better now, and he can deal with ghost projectiles. Seriously jS and cP/cHS just shut down so much of Zappa's game. I think this will always be a problem match, no unwinable, but tough.

That's how they are in Slash too, no big damage, but the space you can control with the ghosts is amazing, even more so now with the punch throw. Your opponent should be sitting frustrated on the other side of the screen with stuff flying everywhere until they are knocked down, then it's jHS time! It sounds like the ghosts are still solid, just no damaging, but that's ok considering the control they give you. And I forget who brought it up, but Zappa DOES have a good safe poke now with 5S, which partially hits low and staggers on normal hit for free run in combo xx summon.

I did see in a vid using the downward DA to bring them back up after a slide, so it looks like we can jHS bounce them across the screen until the corner where the new loop works. I'm going to miss the old wallbouce one because it was so much fun, but Raoh is looking even stronger now than he ever was. Add to that the fact that it is easier to get him now because of unsummon and Zappa is looking hot.

The sword in XX was the equivalent of Faust's failure coin. But enough about that, keep it to new Accent Core stuff.

Truth, no one is posting these Zappa changes anywhere that I read them, so we've all been in the dark. But dang, Zappa is looking buff now.

Did I just read sweep with reach!?!?!?!

Everything I've heard points to Zappa being able to combo into Sword Swipe then followup with air combo after the bounce. The tradeoff being that it only hits once now (Ithink for only 1 orb) but it is so worth it to have the sword do real, reliable damage instead of just off counterhits and with tension and still really only good for orbs. Basically, everything is looking better for Zappa so long as everyone else's improvements don't outpace him. But I'm still kind of upset about 6HS, if Eddie can have is UBs back and do damage again, why can't Zappa have one really strong setup?

Not a rumor, sort of the point of his Force Break was to be able to unsummon without a super or taking a hit. It just so happens to have many other spiffy uses as well.

Oh man.... Zappa has a POKE!?!?!?!

What about picking them up with the new downward extension of 236S? For the Raoh combo. Although the jHS floor bounce does sound tasty. About time Zappa got some moves that bounce people.

You always could RC 6HS into jP or JS or something and get a summon off of it. But it does kind of make the move worthless because it is so slow, it needed something else (KD) going for it or it's just another cartwheel. And no one can convince me that there is a worse normal than cartwheel.

eh...? What's this about Raoh getting the snips? I work my butt off to get the thunder god, I expect easymode damage... with SUPARS!!! Oh well, that super will still be useful, it only hits the whole screen and gives a flashing guard bar. And about the Dog, the new pressure with mulitattacks should make up for it, I mean, if you land 2D xx 8D that's 4 orbs, damage and a possible airthrow attempt for knockdown.

WHOA!!!! I just read the first post again.... and 5S has the range that it looks like it has now!?! That would make my day. Though I do miss the old Raoh combo already.

Good man Oiboi. And I have no idea where that mamamamama came from.... but I'm glad it's here.

What I know so far. Overall: Force Break- unsummons and gives one orb. I've heard it's overhead and fast. Appears to give knockdown for free summon into 3 more orbs. Sword: Spinny air move that seems kind of useful 63214H Now wall bounces for aircombos!!! (This is amazing news) Possible to combo into now? Ghosts: I have no idea Dog: Can do 2 attacks in a row, but gets extra recovery. Raoh: Some new ways to fire off Darkness Anthem Regular loop appears to be gone(that would make me sad) That's about all I know. I can't read Japanese, nor have any desire to. I'm just glad to see some life in these boards again. And hoping for a few more changes in the finalest version of AC.

Truth. I can't read japanese. No one else who plays Zappa can. No one plays Zappa. No info.

Holy balls, they better not have taken that out.... it was the only way to get a knockdown with the Dog out. Anyways, thanks for the info on Zappa, no one else seems to want to let us know what was changed with him. Although I do have to ask, did they remove the Raoh loop or is it just that you can't do it? Because loosing that would make me sad even if he does still have big damage. Since the new combo doesn't have the BOOM-shakalaka rhythm to it.

Sounds great. Maybe Zappa will actually have some decent BnBs now. And the 7 orb combo is sweet.

But Faust is silly, not evil.

Guilty Gear ONE. That's what real men play. Sweep infinites for the win! Instant Kills take BOTH rounds... like they should. Baldhead. No one else could win the Justice, except Chipp.

Exactly what kind of stuff does Petshop do that's so broken? I thought I heard somewhere that a lot of characters can infinite him just by jumping heavy because of the weird way that he floats... course I don't know much about this game since no one plays it. And what are some Hol Horse BnBs? He's by far my favorite character.

Ok guys, here are the basic rules of the Zappa forum. Zappa loves these rules! 1. First, just follow trag's forum rules. They are pretty much common sense. 2. If someone asks a noob question, just kindly answer it or direct them to the appropriate guide thread. No one uses search, it's the internet. Just live with it. Be nice. 3. If you have any questions, start a new thread to ask it. Please check the appropriate guide thread first though. 4. Locking the Love threads is so that the important information is easy to find, easy to critique, and easy for me to correct. It is an attempt to keep the core info from getting cluttered in a 20 page thread that no one wants to read. 5. You post something worthless, really really stupid, or wrong, I will delete it. 6. ZAPPA OWNS YOUR SOULS FOR FREE!