NeonCrusader

She does still have airdash options on standing opponents as far as corner carry -> close range goes. Not as damaging as dance combos and more difficult to do execution-wise, but they are still there.

Don't double maragi loops still do more damage than the dance routes anyway? I mean yeah you can land dance stuff off of more things but as far as maxing out damage, unless I'm mistaken you get about 300-400 more off of double maragi than dance for the same meter expenditure and same oki.

Did a bit of testing on Agi earlier today: Agi turns into a double explosion in roughly (maybe exactly?) 90 frames (1.5 seconds) from when you first input the command. Double explosion is not air tight, unfortunately, though it doesn't seem to be any more than a 2 frame gap between the two explosions. Second fireball might trigger SMP on agi if both hit? Not entirely sure on this one, but you definitely don't want to use double explosion in combos if that's the case since fireball has like 2k SMP points or something insane like that. OMC rehold still works ^_^

Is anyone else having a hard time doing Maragi loops (or really, landing 2 hit Maragis on airborne opponents in general)? The timing feels like it changed a lot from P4A... EDIT: Never mind, Minazuki just has a stupid hurtbox apparently

Not sure if this has been brought up, but do we know if the double A Agi explosion is air tight on normal block?

Question. I know that CH 1/2/3B -> Maragi no longer works as an anti-air confirm; does CH 1/2/3B -> B Mai work? And if it does how much do you get off of it (or alternatively if there's a better confirm, what is it?)

dj.B is pretty tight, yeah. And yes, I tried jB land jB jC after my initial post and forgot to post back; still works, though I don't know if it's still a fuzzy if they IB the jB in this case due to additional landing lag + jump startup. As far as who it works on, I'd love to know if there was a list around with the cast's heights while stand blocking (relative to each other of course), since it would be a lot easier to test rather than just going through everyone. Tried it on Jin and it doesn't work, though the guy is mad short. I've personally tried it on Azrael, Relius, Ragna, Valkenhayn, and Hakumen otherwise, and it works on all of them, and I'm assuming it works on Tager too.

Haven't read through the entire thread yet, but is Kagura's fuzzy guard known? After a really deep jump in jB you either djc.jB > jC > combo for an instant overhead or 5B/2B > combo for a low. Sets up pretty well off of B orb oki, though I'm not entirely sure how much of the cast it actually works on. Tried it late last night so I didn't really do a full cast test, but at the very least I know it works on Azrael and Relius :V

To clarify, what exactly does it mean when it says "D normals have much bigger recovery"? Does that mean that Yukiko herself take longer to move after initially hitting the button to use the move, or that the Persona is on cooldown for a longer time after its active frames pass?

Quick thing; I'm not too good at Japanese but I'm pretty sure that the original post by stunedge said that C Maragi moved slower, not that the startup was slower. If that's the case, it'd be a buff, no? Don't think it'd screw up any combo routes and probably would offer better screen control. Also, another change: jB is forced into fatal counter state during its recovery frames

Can anyone read stunedge's tweets? Sounds like he's saying that 2B not being jump cancellable is a pretty significant nerf (which I agree with) and that her other stuff doesn't really make up for it. Still day 2 of loketest 1 though so not too concerning, but I'd like to see exactly what he has to say

You just have to be close enough so that TK Agi hits. If that hits, dash 5A should always connect, provided you get the timing right. IAD combo is not character specific in the corner, no; so for example off of 2A you can always do 2A, 5AA, 2C, 2B, 5C, 5BB, IAD jAAA, 5B, 2A+B, A Agi (or the other ender with 4 fans and no A Agi, i.e. 5BB 2B 5B 2A+B) Actually, even midscreen, you can do: (2A), 5AA, 2C, 5B, 3B, 6BB, IAD jAAA, (dash) 5BB, 2B, 5B, 2A+B (or you can omit all the fans and do (dash) 2A+B A Agi) on everyone except the two Labryses. EDIT: I have to stop forgetting to write jAAA after IAD @_@

Could you do the same thing using 5AAA instead of sweep? More meter and damage, still get the knockdown, though I could see an issue with them being too far away for certain hit confirms to be possible. EDIT: Wait actually couldn't you just do a full airdash BnB and end it with a sweep? More damage and corner push, better meter gain, and easier to do than TK Agi -> something on grounded opponents imo. So like, you could do (2A) 5AA 2C 5B 3B 6BB airdash jAAA dash 5BB 2B 5B sweep j4d

Just a heads up; router died again, so chances are I won't be able to play in this.

Hopefully I don't get blown up first round! PSN: arbitraryasian

ggs to ozzy and everyone that went in and out of that room! Side rant: I hate Chie's DP so much like It's hard to complain because it has such terrible active frames but that recovery foijfoijfiahfafhkaf

ggs to NaCl and everyone else who was in that room. Need to learn matchups better @_@

So there's this cool thing that I've been doing in training mode recently, but unfortunately I think it's specific to vs. Narukami. Midscreen, after a sweep or air hit 5AAA, you jump, air turn, j.6D (not really sure how to notate this since you're technically turned around, but it's the jD option that sends Sakuya out the shortest distance), and either airdash over and let the jD hit, or falling jA. Great, it's a left/right; this part works on everyone. The Narukami specific mixup is after the crossup option, you can either land 2A -> combo, or land, jump, jA, A Agi -> combo for what seems to be a fuzzy. Though, it seems that you can't really get much damage off of the overhead without spending 50 meter for an OMC or using an OMB. Meterless best I've been able to do is B Agi after the A release :X

Enjoyed those games in ShinSyn's lobby; Would say ggs but I was pretty much free the entire time. Forever free to overheads

Yukiko has an unreactable high/low; it's so simple that I either 1) can't believe someone else hasn't found this yet or 2) can't believe that I don't remember someone else finding this. After airdash jAA you literally just choose between jA or jB for a high/low. jB is really hard to hit as a low in this instance, but the entire thing is a true blockstring even on IB and either option is too fast to react to. The confirm off of either is the exact same thing too ([mixup hit], 2A, combo) and 2A is also a blockstring regardless of the aerial you used. So if they end up blocking the 50/50, you can still apply pressure.

Use 6BB, otherwise the fans don't travel fast enough.

Made another video with a bunch of stuff I've been playing around with. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfMhidwB3Rw

I just kinda made the assumption that Jiyuna found it somewhere. I'd personally love to believe that the new characters are just really unexplored and will get better as the game goes on. And that Makoto and Noel aren't still bad. Noel C Tier on Jiyuna's list btw, I forgot to put her there when I was changing it from "Rest" to the actual character names.

New tier list, courtesy of Jiyuna. I don't know where he got it from though. S+: Tao, Litchi, Hakumen S: Hazama, Jin, Valkenhayn, Mu A: Arakune, Carl, Rachel, Azrael B: Ragna, Relius, Tager, Platinum, Nu, Bang, Tsubaki C: Izayoi, Bullet, Amane, Makoto

Shoutouts to Danny for showing me that I absolutely need to pick up a secondary to fight Shabrys