Kuuhaku

I minded 6B and 6A being destroyed on top of everything else. That's what makes CS Rachel unplayable for me. Even if she remained super gimped, if 6A and 6B still worked, at least she'd have something good.

Eat 6C over and over? If you think that's bad, I want to see a video of her fight Carl.

That's not Rachel specific, but there are other bullshit combos that are *cough*Litchi 6C loop*cough*. Taokaka's BS damage off of counter hit 6C is known, but really there's not much that Rachel can do about it because her normals are so slow. Taokaka can just sit there and bait an approach and if she tries to summon something, press D.

That. But try to weed 5B B CDC out of your habits. Otherwise you'll be holding out the fork and looking stupid.

No. 6B is gone. There's pretty much no reason to use that move ever.

Yeah, a lot of people see Rachel's stuff and just think broken because they're on the losing end of it, but really a lot of the tactics that people complain about are impractical against people who know what they're doing. 6B fishing is an example of that. j2C spam is also fancy, but 5B 6CD does the same job with more damage. Both were primarily for forcing the opponent into the corner where she could lock down. But IMO that's really no different than Litchi's 6C loop. It's not our fault that Tager didn't have an anti air and lost to jA spam.

She does still have more potential to get better than Rachel though. It seems like for her birthday, Arcsys gave her cancer.

Uh... wuku attempts to keep trying. I'm not high level, but I want to try to sub her even if she does suck. Hazama or Carl will be my main though, and I want to mess around with Arakune.

I look at it this way- they can't possibly make her worse in the next game.

So... Projectiles bounce off of Nirvana and don't hit Carl. Meaning that all Carl has to do is press D to be safe from lobelia. Uh... any suggestions on how this match up could not be stupid? Right now the scenarios I'm thinking of- If Rachel approaches Nirvana without pumpkin, Carl will projectile or pimp slap her. If she throws things, Carl can just use Nirvana to take damage. If Rachel tries to get up pumpkin, the hand drill thing (ground) and con brio (air).

It's likely to be another 3:7... which is probably what her match up against Bang is going to look like too. Ragna and Taokaka maybe a 3.5.

I'm still kinda- "wut" that Taokaka can do 6k meterless, but Rachel can't break 5k with 100 heat. Anyway, back on trying to find something good for Rachel- uh... the plus side is if she keeps running away into the air, there's not much that the other characters can do to catch her (except Rachel mirrors... I had one match where for some reason my opponent tried that and I just BBLed them). Actually, I'm looking at Hazama, Carl, and Arakune. Even though Arakune can't bee spam anymore, he still looks fun.

I think it was someone else who said- Biggest nerf in this game was voice acting. Uh... Rachel may evolve into something playable, but probably not something decent or really anything you'd want to enter a tourney with if you had other options.

Well... by win, I don't mean win the tournament. By win I mean make it to top 8 (Mike Z did pretty consistently in US tournaments).

Why is that Hakumen spamming jump though? CT Tager could only win in US tournaments.

Uh... seeing that there's basic things that are wrong with Rachel which pretty much leave her doomed to bottom tier and each match making either you frustrated or your opponent frustrated by running away and tricking them into traps =/= riding coat tails of victory. I like her, but I don't like frustrating extremely uphill matches. If I did, I'd play Tager.

Wasn't there some guy from France who made it to SBO? Maybe the EU will figure out something for Rachel. It seems that overall, Rachel still has trouble with regen because she has to spend a LOT more time in the air than she did in CT meaning = less chances for air regen. Your best hope is really just turtling and hoping you don't get random hit into a 4k combo while you're waiting for your wind to come back (too bad wind doesn't regen as fast as Nirvana's health meter). Which I imagine is hard against Litchi who can get a 4k combo off of just about anything. She does have some zoning capabilities, but that more relies on mind gaming your opponent and making them intimidated (aka scaring them into letting you screen litter). Rachel does have decent opportunities with all her tools out, but that still leads to a 3k combo either way and then you have to do the song and dance all over again to get another combo.

Except the chances of that happening are situational at best. It's not an actual combo, more like a trap that happened to work. That Litchi vs. Rachel match it's pretty clear that first round that Litchi got mind-gamed and intimidated. Rest of the match didn't go so hot either. Litchi won the second round because that was the only one that the player didn't drop practically all his combos. In this match http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dky17R-zaA&feature=sub It took me the second time to catch the gold burst into 5B combo into burst bait at the very end. Real pro. I still don't get why that Hakumen was spamming jump and timing his jCs way too late. Did he forget what range it hits?

Time up! Rachel wins!

It's nice to see the enthusiasm, but realistically, if the top JPN and US players haven't found anything useful for her, it's not very likely that she has any such amazing trick. Even if there was, she'd become a one trick pony character. Either way not very appealing to play.

Aah, I see. Though, none of that helps with Rachel's damage prorating so much. At this point, I would be happy if she could just break 3k midscreen with heat.

Ok. *thumbs up* So the goal now is that we all UFO spam and learn 3 rod BBL setups. Sounds like a plan. Is there still a cool down timer for George? If so- about how long is it? I don't remember seeing the frog meter when Rachel summons him. Same for pumpkin. Though, with pumpkin already being so slow, having a cool down time would just be a kick in the knees.

Well, wuku, worst case scenario is that we pick up Bang, Litchi, or Ragna like everyone else. But... I guess I might as well sub her as a 3rd sub. Kinda one of those characters I play when I don't mind dying. It's really too bad Rachel doesn't have soviet damage. Even with her being the low tier princess, I can't imagine anyone getting hyped over her winning. I'm pretty sure any match with her as a winner is going to be a slow and tedious match where people will be looking to kill us to prevent more Time Out wins.

Noel's already got a 5.5 so far over Rachel. Ugh. Just it's a little frustrating that the only way for Rachel to win is for her opponent to be retarded.

Kro- in your opinion, is there any chance that Rachel will have a match up in her favor? Right now her match up chart is looking to be as bad or worse than CT Tager.