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Solhunter

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  1. I agree, I love Blazblue's storyline and its complexity. I like Guilty Gear for the same reasons. The problem is that the terms and other aspects of the story that confuse people, are more readily explained in external sources such as Drama CDs, Novels and Material Collection guidebooks, and these aren't fully available to the English-speaking audience save fan projects(which aren't always finished). That was why so many people were pissed when Library Mode was excluded from the NA edition of CP when it was localized since it would make the BB world much more comprehensible to those who rely solely on the games for knowledge (though, it will hopefully remain in CP Extend since they gave Guilty Gear Xrd that courtesy, likely due to the outrage Aksys suffered from the fans) . Guilty Gear is in rougher shape on that score since said-aforementioned materials are even harder to come by for its series in English. Which is why Guilty Gear Wiki and Gear Project are a godsend to GG fans who want to better understand GG's lore.
  2. No, Magic (or Ars Magus) uses seithr and is derived from the Black Beast. Sorcery, which is what Konoe uses, is what is outside of Logic as it doesn't use seithr and is said to be real magic. Valkenhayn is also outside BB's Logic because he was born from sorcery, which is why he can harm the Black Beast. GG's magic is closer in nature to sorcery, so it is perfectly viable for Sol to be able to harm the Black Beast. As for his Life-link (which was mentioned in their written profile), it again depends on what stage Ragna was in. They obviously took Ragna after he got the Idea Engine and but probably before Nu's rejuvenated herself.
  3. Exactly. Sol's weapon is a Magic Amplification Device that channels and maximizes his magic by absorbing mana particles, same as the other Sacred Treasures he's created(and the War Relics). It also had the effect of preventing Gear cells from regenerating. The completed Outrage was split because Sol found out that there was no limit to how much mana it could absorb , and he could accidentally wipe out the planet if he wasn't careful about wielding it. Not even taking into account that Sol and Gears are magical beings. Or that everyone in Guilty Gear uses magic or magical weapons. As for Blazblue's Logic, considering that Sol exists in a reality outside of BB's universe, and that magic is in his world originates from a completely different source (The Backyard), it's fair to say that he is outside BB's Logic. .
  4. Yup, that was a badass fight. Sol came out on top, but Ragna made a good showing.
  5. To clarify, my analysis of Sol was a reaction to the assumption that Sol is invincible and the strongest character in Guilty Gear bar none, when there are characters that are canonically capable of hanging with him, or have the potential or means to beat him. I also agree with you that everyone in GG has their own distinct strengths, advantages and abilities that gives them an edge. I was trying to convey that in my post, but I don't think I got it across all that well. As for Dizzy and Sin, I was pointing out that they are already pretty powerful, and will only continue to be get more powerful as they become older, since Gears are creatures of evolution. Testament is a clear example of that since he was originally a mid-level Gear during the Crusades and was stated to be much stronger by the time he tried to unseal Justice. Sol is another example because the reason his limiter is beginning to fail is because his body is continuously evolving and becoming stronger, and the limiter can't contain that power as well as it used to anymore, as was pointed out in Overture and an interview with Daisuke Ishiwari. Sin is a bit nebulous since his eyepatch is also a limiter, and the one time it was removed(when he was younger), it produced an explosion similar to his IK, so it's undetermined just how strong he is. As for IKs, yeah, they aren't 100% canonical in their effects( i.e. Slayer can't literally punch someone into space), though they have been used in canonical stories and side-material. In the Drama CDs, Ky has used Zwei Voltage to destroy a small army of Gears, including a Megadeath-Class(though his injuries, compounded by using so much power by utilizing all of his Overdrives, plus his Instant Kill, in succession had ended with his death, at least in the original timeline); Sol nearly used Napalm Death to kill his assailants after being shot but was stopped by Ky; Testament used Seventh Sign on Dizzy when her powers went berserk for the first time to calm her down; Potemkin uses Magnum Opera when he fought Testament in the erased timeline and destroys the airship they were fighting on in the process, and when Slayer first met A.B.A.(and had his reunion with Paracelsus) he used All Dead in his fight with her, which sent her and Paracelus flying out of Franco---while crashing through multiple levels of the castle on their way out---and over the horizon until they landed somewhere miles away. Jam, Chipp and May use their IKs in the Guilty Gear X Drama CDs. Yeah, May summoning the Jellyfish Pirates through her magic to help her is canon. Venom, Millia and Zato-1 used their Instant Kills in the Night of Knives Drama CD series; Heck, Instant Kills are verbally acknowledged as legitimate ultimate techniques by Slayer in this Drama CD. Baiken's IK Garyou Tensei is revealed to be canon in her GGXX Story Mode. And Sin unleashed an explosion, though unintentionally, that was similar to his IK in his short story when he was still a little boy. And on Tyr, I wasn't trying to imply that him being able to potentially beat Sol in a fight was an indicator that Ragna could defeat Sol. Tyr was part of my "There are people in Guilty Gear who can fight equally and possibly beat Sol" argument, not my opinion on the DB. As I said, Soul Eater or transforming into his incomplete BB form are Ragna's best recourse, since Sol trumps Ragna in most categories. And Soul Eater's effectiveness will hinge on whether or not Sol gets Soul Sinker. Since that means that not only will his soul be protected, he will also be able to summon his Servants.
  6. That depends on whether or not Soul Sinker is factored into Sol's powerset for the purposes of this DB. Otherwise, Sol has an ability that can allow him to resist a majority of the effects from Ragna's Soul Eater. They may also take into account that even if Ragna manages to devour Sol's soul, it might not be a good idea, because we know what inevitably happened to Valentine when she kept pulling Sol into her soul space during their final battle. Though, I'm not quite clear if that was an added effect from Soul Sinker or Sol's own power. I alos notice that they sometimes set up certain battles a bit lopsidedly. Take Cloud vs Link for example: Link in DB was a composite character who got nearly every feat from his multiple reincarnations(since some of his incarnates are stronger, faster, more skilled, etc. than others) and almost all of their equipment. Whereas Cloud was only allowed his canonical materia and moveset. Granted, this made for a much more even battle since any sole incarnation of Link would likely lose to Cloud in combat, especially if Cloud was allowed to have other Materia. They did a similar thing with Kirby vs Majin Buu and Ryu vs Scorpion, where they took into the account Kirby, Ryu and Scorpion's anime/TV show feats (despite them being non-canon to the game's continuity, save for Assassin's Fist) as well as the game's. Not a complaint, mind you, but merely a observation from being a fan of Death Battle for so long. But I digress. Essentially, I can see only three things that can help Ragna: 1. His life-link with Nu, which renders him pretty much unkillable (though, it didn't seem to save him in his CS bad ending for some unexplained reason other than Nu being technically "dead" during that time). 2. His Soul Eater feeding off of his lifeforce, provided Sol doesn't get Soul Sinker (and again, it's kinda iffy even if Sol doesn't have it ). 3. Letting the Azure Grimoire go berserk and transform into the Black Beast against Sol. Though, this would cause Sol to ditch his limiter in retaliation to transform into his Dragon Gear form, in which case, we'll probably get an ending similar to Wily vs Eggman (where the Earth is eight levels of screwed regardless of who wins). Now on another topic: In regards to Sol's power level in GG, I think people are blowing it a little out of proportion here. It literally took Sol hundreds of years to become as strong as he is now. Slayer is often implicated to be several times stronger than Sol is, even taking his Gear form into account; Gabriel may be in the same boat, being Slayer's rival. Dizzy and Sin have the potential to surpass him (heck, when Sol fought Dizzy in Guilty Gear X Plus, he explicitly said that he can't afford to fool around with her), and are close to being his peers in power despite being less than a decade old. Tyr could possibly win against him in a fight since he's an anti-magic tank who can absorb any magical attack sent his way and convert it for his own attacks, along with ridiculous transmutation abilities that allow him to disintegrate or create forms of matter--including magic--and the power to destroy a Gear ship that was as large as Zepp (which, in itself, is the size of a small country) with a concentrated energy blast when he fully merges with Fenrir. Raven is immortal and hasn't showcased his full abilities yet but he was capable of shrugging off a Gun Flame from Sol that destroyed several houses in Lightning the Argent. He then said to Sol: "Was that it? Your flames aren't hot at all", and Sol's shown to be a little nervous about fighting him after that encounter. He can also manipulate time and space at a level much higher than Faust's. Raven is essentially to Sol what Hakumen is to Ragna. We also have Bedman, who is shown to fight evenly with Sol and we still have no idea just how powerful Bedman truly is yet. Then there's That Man, who always treats fighting a serious Sol as a casual annoyance. Even in Overture, where Sol utilizes his evolved Dragon Install, he isn't able to do anything to That Man at all and only ends up exhausting himself. Yes, he wasn't in his full Gear form or using his true power, but That Man, throughout the entire battle, doesn't exert himself AT ALL and treats it like a game. If anything, he's far more notorious of holding back than Sol is, along with Slayer.
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