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Except I don't care about tiers. I understand that there are a lot of things that Tsubaki needs work on but for me, tiers don't matter for the character I play but I also want to note I understand the logic behind tiers and why they exist. As long as I'm having fun then bring it on, I'm going to make you work for your win even if I end up losing. Disclaimer: I speak for myself and no one else.

Hanaya (though they say Leon-san in the video) is still playing Tsu~ Hanaya vs Hayami http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6e9fhQjn-c Hanaya vs Abare P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-6OjHjSuPE Hanaya vs Mashu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdE8Bigtfok

Why does it have to be radical shifts? It can be minor strategies found that we don't see the Japanese players doing. They're not the be all, end all. Does this mean she'll suddenly jump from bottom to top? No, but that doesn't mean we still can't try to give hell to the people we play. For CS2, there were about 10x as many people playing Tsubaki which could account for how fast they figured her out.

Again, I said it's my opinion from all the events I've watched and the events I'm watching while typing this post and I'm sticking to it. From what I can see, it's not just the damage (though it's a factor) but rather her tools to get to the opponent as well. Tsubaki will suffer for as long as Arcsys randomly tweaks her moves, in a bad way, and her damage without charge to her damage with charge. She's very delicate lol. Whether or not you guys agree with me, I have a feeling that they don't want her damage without charge to be high and instead wish for her damage to be through those charges since that's her selling point so to speak. However, they also need to figure out better ways that will allow us to get charges. But it also falls on the people playing her to figure things out. Out of all the characters, I feel Tsubaki is probably one of the most underplayed character in BB. Hence why, it shall be up to us amazing DL Tsubaki players to exploit her strengths and screw with everyone else when we get Extend :3

11/5 Gekisai in Gulliver http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgZN6YP7Agw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqyLAoRf5No http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpc12S-rVbI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NOtvzUI1Tc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Elir2BUKM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvH160DxX0w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbQ_AMC8VZE 11/22 Ranking Battle in Gulliver http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJBjCFRdY4w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM0Wwow1wOc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubazTjET_YM Kohatsu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I8PAQ8INYo 11/19 Kumagaya Magician http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16236432 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16236569 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16236756 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16245691 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4_5QuHLmBA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6e9fhQjn-c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-8I_6Nrbyk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeQNQ9P-LgM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-vu5mTpxw8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-6OjHjSuPE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT5gSgOafuc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdE8Bigtfok

Just wanted to note that the ones who's damage has hardly changed are the ones who have hardly changed from CS2 in the first place. The damage nerf IMO is pretty universal if only 4-5 characters out of 19 are doing 3k-4k consistently. Most of the high damage is in the corner as well for most of them.

One of many most likely.

Supinoza does some fun stuff~ 11/19 Ronitta vs Supinoza *lol at the end* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TufKYxr79Cc#t=11m03 HTY vs Supinoza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mXxssvnxdU#t=10m19 Koji vs Supinoza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijTGFpfhYPA Nigiriusagi vs Supinoza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTzoIO2YEVY#t=3m58 Yuu , Nigiriusagi vs Supinoza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz8ra4Urv5Y Ok, that's all the videos.

Makoto matches http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16232906 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16240896 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5FsUOkogfk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGw_5QonMug 11/19 Nishi Nippori http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16230668 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16230992 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16231200 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16231386 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16231635 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16231929 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TufKYxr79Cc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tWk8VEICvc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDb9au7bc9I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mXxssvnxdU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnHulEpLTTw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijTGFpfhYPA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTzoIO2YEVY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7A9G7ghDTM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwQPH60QsEo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz8ra4Urv5Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNsSkQ2gQsQ 11/19 Mirakurin (Carl vs Noel, Relius) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16235406 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqNJVu9z1qQ

Mine is depression? EDIT: Oh I see why lol.

Wow, I thought I updated this awhile ago but I guess not. My bad guys. It's updated now~

It doesn't help she isn't really a popular character to play either so there are probably only a few actively trying to figure out new things with her at the arcade. I'd wait until the console version comes out and see what happens, considering that Arcsys may also decide to make a balance patch around that time as well. Also, if we were to take this list seriously (hint: we shouldn't), this isn't the first time an S tier has been dropped to bottom coughCS1Rachelcough. But even then Extend Makoto is still doing better than CS1 Rach if Goro and Ryo-ta are anything to go by.

Not surprised, I expected it. Doesn't bother me.

11/10 acho http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bAFTgqypE

Snaps no ninja edit for me lol 11/19 Kuresu vs Goro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfblXzpUPGQ Kuresu vs Sakamoto Ryouma , Sattsuo , Minami http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHaMrfgmD0w

11/12 natakishi (Hakumen) vs tsuba (Tsubaki) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moYcPNjdttk

11/9 Gamechariot http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16218595 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16218757 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16218921 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16219001 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16219151 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16219253 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16219403 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Dc349uO04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7dB30M4KQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py7zFpQCVBY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWHAS-3ygE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj52esP6e00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijxDUZ23SSg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QPzEfYJdpU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJkB-cjWux0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwubMIz5_dY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc6zgjG0Fq4 11/12 Game Plaza Central http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16217094 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16217164 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moYcPNjdttk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y0TDlqvA-M

The way you worded it made it sound like he only won because of his character, not because of him.

@Airk: Thanks for answering my random inquiry. I appreciate it. Arcsys really has no idea what they want for Tsubaki atm but I have hope that they'll figure it out... eventually. @atdsutm: 3k mid-screen really isn't that bad in Extend. Most I see consistently from characters is 2-2.5k mid-screen except for some characters depending on their starter and whether or not it was a CH. Her air game doesn't really look like it's changed except for the dashes after j.D. I don't know if her air normals got any better, which is important if they're trying to push her air game since they're absolutely terrible compared to a good majority of the cast. Spark won because he played his best, not because of his character. His character helped but it was his insane defense, strategies, knowledge, match-up exp, etc. using Hakumen that let him win.

11/5 Nishi Nippori http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16202871 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16203151 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16203385 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16203576 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16204217 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16206427 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEGvcC5qauw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR3NFjQOym0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiEmSlOj3Po http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUyoLrhCSl0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwVAArN_jCg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zONtjdDPYQ0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv5MMFR8xcY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuPhEgLnsaI 11/18 Tachikawa http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16206773 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16206929 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16207065 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16207234 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg9yTgft0aU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnyzwXIgQ3o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nCDhsLBCEk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyE0oBZKZKM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX_pC1t7zp0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdAH6MoL7SA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I-hIlJ78-0

1-2 charges is more than enough to unleash the pain. We just need to figure out ways to optimize it. :3 Mugen seems like the way to go for that since I've seen it used more in EX compared to the whole lifetime of it being in CS1 (only one who I saw use it constantly was Nezu since he trolled with her) and CS2, although it costs heat.

Thanks for more info Logic. I'll add the clarifications it to the first post. If anything, they feel more comfortable most likely because they actually have had something to go on in terms of Extend for awhile (if they've been watching videos). There's noticeably less videos for Tsubaki compared to a majority of the rest of the cast and when we do get videos they're less than stellar. For Tsu at least, this may be because she was terrible in CS1 and no one really played her, even in Japan. The first time they really started to play her was CS2 so she's only really had one iteration of people willing to play her and find out strategies for her. The other characters have had at least two iterations of established ideas, tactics, and whatnot of how to play their character, besides the DLC characters which had the blessing of not actually being terrible, even though how they play them has been modified each iteration. At least, that's just how I see it. I can see what they're going for in that they want Tsubaki in the air more but it doesn't look like they've done anything to help her air normals which get beaten out a good majority of the time. So in addition to figuring out how they want Tsubaki to get charges, they also have to do something to her air normals. Actually did you notice anything about her air normals while playing her? I'm still super hype for figuring air mugen stuff though. I see what you're getting at since I agree they need to do something to her air normals. However, on my own general principles I have to ask you about your last sentence: Will it really matter in the end if you get to say whether or not you were right? I'm just curious because that's the vibe I'm getting. Whenever a new iteration comes out, it's always safe to assume you're going to have to be changing your strategies in some way, or finding completely new ones, especially with Arc's balance changes :D

Ragna and a few others are more of the exception in Extend imo. Everyone else seems to be on a somewhat more "even" level from what I've seen i.e. risk/reward, overall mid-screen damage, etc. However, I agree in the idea that while she might not be bad, there are other characters that are better depending on what you want in this iteration.

11/13 Yawata Ace 2on2 Feika (Lambda) VS Megane (Arakune) ZXD (Hazama) VS Katsu (Ragna) ZXD (Hazama) VS Megane (Arakune) Katsu (Ragna) VS Guu (Mu) Megane (Arakune) VS Shinigami (Ragna) ZXD (Hazama) VS Shinigami (Ragna) Feika (Lambda) VS Guu (Mu)

Their costumes can be explained in two words really: Fan service