Poultrygeist Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Therein lies the problem with DB, the fight has to inevitably end with someone getting killed even if it's completely out of character. The only way Sol is losing is if he dies.
Tsuki Garyuu Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Therein lies the problem with DB, the fight has to inevitably end with someone getting killed even if it's completely out of character. The only way Sol is losing is if he dies. Need I remind people that most DBs don't take personality into account. And by that, I don't simply mean how they act; their motivations, emotional strides and burdens, behavioral patterns during battle, all those nuances. Just because ScrewAttack lists some of a character's personality, feats, and faults doesn't mean they've demonstrated all of them during the DBs themselves by that same margin. In reality, the winners are chosen based on everything other than personality. For example, would Superman really go out of his way to enter "Praise the Sun" mode to defeat Goku if it meant destroying the planet he swore to protect? Shit, the last matched that did demonstrate personality in-battle was Deadpool vs. Deathstroke. Ironically.
Poultrygeist Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Need I remind people that most DBs don't take personality into account. And by that, I don't simply mean how they act; their motivations, emotional strides and burdens, behavioral patterns during battle, all those nuances. Just because ScrewAttack lists some of a character's personality, feats, and faults doesn't mean they've demonstrated all of them during the DBs themselves by that same margin. In reality, the winners are chosen based on everything other than personality. For example, would Superman really go out of his way to enter "Praise the Sun" mode to defeat Goku if it meant destroying the planet he swore to protect? Shit, the last matched that did demonstrate personality in-battle was Deadpool vs. Deathstroke. Ironically. And that's why DB isn't as good as it could be. It's basically just gratuitous gore nonsense with bad sprite animations. May as well not even be the actual characters.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 And that's why DB isn't as good as it could be. It's basically just gratuitous gore nonsense with bad sprite animations. May as well not even be the actual characters. Isn't that the reason to watch it to begin with? The hosts are a mad scientist and a redneck with a shotgun, pretty sure you're not supposed to take it seriously. It's for entertainment more than anything.
RagnaXBL Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 im gonna go with sol, just going by how strong they are compared to all the other fighters in their respective universes. ragna is pretty low on the list. cant even count the amount of times hes had his ass wooped
RagnaXBL Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 on the other hand inferno divider is the most ridiculously broken dp in all of fighting game history. that shit hits practically fullscreen
HoudiniJr100 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Isn't that the reason to watch it to begin with? The hosts are a mad scientist and a redneck with a shotgun, pretty sure you're not supposed to take it seriously. It's for entertainment more than anything. you forgot the redneck being the son of the ninja zombie pirate
LiveWireX Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 you forgot the redneck being the son of the ninja zombie pirate That punches down trees to catch squirrels for dinner. And if we're going by personalities in DB and using the Superman vs Goku example...wouldn't both of them eventually just wind up teaming up together to protect the planet anyway?
Tsuki Garyuu Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 And that's why DB isn't as good as it could be. It's basically just gratuitous gore nonsense with bad sprite animations. May as well not even be the actual characters. Isn't that the reason to watch it to begin with? The hosts are a mad scientist and a redneck with a shotgun, pretty sure you're not supposed to take it seriously. It's for entertainment more than anything. Say Hello to "One Minute Melee." Fan battles in all their audacity. No research, no pretense either.
LiveWireX Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 My main problem with One Minute Melee is actually the size of the timer since a bunch of times the timer itself will wind up giving away who's gonna win.
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 on the other hand inferno divider is the most ridiculously broken dp in all of fighting game history. that shit hits practically fullscreen Ehhhh, VV is actually just as good, if not better.
WolfCrimson Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 VV, better than C ID? Sorry, but no. Not even as good as C ID. Not only does C ID have better horizontal range than VV, its hitbox can hit a bit below and behind Ragna. HS VV has better vertical range, but that isn't that big a deal. C ID can be followed up in the corner for damage, Sol can't follow up VV without RC. C ID is invincible for longer than both VVs. Ofc both are punishable, C ID is in CH state the entire time, but VV forces crouch-landing on the ground. Although VV's followup can be done even on whiff or block, so you can mess with the opponent's punish a bit. So yeah, C ID is the better reversal here.
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Regarding invincibilty, you have to compare relative to their respective games. Sol's has less invul, but Sol is also in a game where attacks are generally faster. Ragna having long invul is necessary due to the general slow speed of attacks in BB. C ID in corner and on 2nd hit counter gives piddly damage. VV on 2nd hit counter gives man damage. Given how often people will play from the air, the additional vertical range makes HS VV threatening against people who like to fly around and hit buttons. I would say that given respective games, VV is still pretty amazing and is at least on the level with ID. BB just happens to be a game where even having an invincible reversal is a really big deal, whereas GG has more ways to bait and punish them.
Layer Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 A guy with a Ragna avatar is arguing with a guy with a Sol avatar. I wonder who they're rooting for.
D.R.F. Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Lel. Also who gives a fuck about DPs when we have DI HsVV
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Posted January 6, 2015 Lel. Also who gives a fuck about DPs when we have DI HsVV To be fair, Ragna has that now too in Unlimited Overdrive lol.
Tenj|n Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Dragon Install >>>> Blood Kain i only liked Ragna in CT, character and gameplay wise.
Poultrygeist Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 on the other hand inferno divider is the most ridiculously broken dp in all of fighting game history. that shit hits practically fullscreen Hon Fu's DP from Real Bout Fatal Fury says otherwise lol.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Posted January 6, 2015 http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-battle-predictions-ragna-bloodedge-vs-sol-badguy Prediction Blog. Yea, it's pretty much unanimous among everyone that Sol is going to win.
cr1ms0n Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 ...I have a feeling that Sol is going to guard break Ragna, then just Instant Kill him...
Arcus Diabolus Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I'm actually getting turned off from the idea of the GG story as a whole if Sol is going to be as superman as he is... Its just plain boring to watch someone who barely breaks a sweat. Yea, it sounds like QQ in terms of this DB, but in reality there is a reason I don't follow fictional series involving main characters that are gods in their own universe. Shit, most of this thread has been saying they were going to be rooting for Ragna, and its clear why. Sol just ACTUALLY doesn't lose. Even against That Man, he held back, and still didn't technically "Lose" for say. In fact, the fight didn't really go anywhere.
burningvigor Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I'm actually getting turned off from the idea of the GG story as a whole if Sol is going to be as superman as he is... Its just plain boring to watch someone who barely breaks a sweat. Yea, it sounds like QQ in terms of this DB, but in reality there is a reason I don't follow fictional series involving main characters that are gods in their own universe. Shit, most of this thread has been saying they were going to be rooting for Ragna, and its clear why. Sol just ACTUALLY doesn't lose. Even against That Man, he held back, and still didn't technically "Lose" for say. In fact, the fight didn't really go anywhere. Sol has his own problems and weakness. Raw power isn't one of them though. Not like GG had an amazing story anyway lol. Especially now since it feels like it's going the generic anime root(ala Blazblue). Prefered the darker tone the series had before Xrd.
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 A guy with a Ragna avatar is arguing with a guy with a Sol avatar. I wonder who they're rooting for. Don't get me wrong bruh, I <3 Ragna. He is pretty much the sole reason I will sit through BB's awful story, because he is a sane person walking among a sea of lunatics and his observations are pure comedy. Seriously though, Sol is basically a well-written Mary Sue, naturally he'll be pretty invincible.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Posted January 6, 2015 Sol has his own problems and weakness. Raw power isn't one of them though. Not like GG had an amazing story anyway lol. Especially now since it feels like it's going the generic anime root(ala Blazblue). Prefered the darker tone the series had before Xrd. Eh...I never really considered anything before Xrd "dark" per se, but rather innocuous. But that's just me. I'm actually getting turned off from the idea of the GG story as a whole if Sol is going to be as superman as he is... Its just plain boring to watch someone who barely breaks a sweat. Yea, it sounds like QQ in terms of this DB, but in reality there is a reason I don't follow fictional series involving main characters that are gods in their own universe. Shit, most of this thread has been saying they were going to be rooting for Ragna, and its clear why. Sol just ACTUALLY doesn't lose. Even against That Man, he held back, and still didn't technically "Lose" for say. In fact, the fight didn't really go anywhere. The thing you have to understand about Sol is that his character isn't about how strong he is, but rather his personality and how events affect him. Killing his lover, being "betrayed" by his colleague and being stripped of his humanity pretty much left him a wreck of a human being. He grew cynical, antisocial, and tried to cut off all contact to right his wrongs by destroying the Gears and getting the answers he wants from That Man. The appeal of Sol is watching him slowly re-develop his social skills and work past the trauma of his past to become a better human being. His interactions with Ky, Dizzy, and Sin are all examples of this. The other notable thing is that his power isn't there to plow through everything, but rather supplement his personality. Despite being what many consider the strongest character in his own series bar none, he cannot solve his aforementioned social problems or get the answer he wants as he's no closer to achieving his goals now than when he started. It shows that having all of the power in the world doesn't automatically equate to having a perfect and functional life. Now Ragna is written rather differently, despite the superficial similarities between him and Sol. Ragna, while he is a very angry and bitter individual, has a much better(barely) hold on his life and just looks forward. He'll put up with somebody if they aren't annoying/trying to kill him and even show kindness if he feels like it. Like Sol, he had a rather simple goal of exacting revenge on the people that fucked his life over and acquired the power to do so, and like Sol wasn't really making any progress despite that. Unlike Sol however, Ragna starts to question if his goal is truly the right path he should follow as he notices how the likes of Jin and Noel direct their efforts towards helping someone else. And later on, he chooses to us his power to protect the ones he cares about. Despite how much this forum likes to joke about how much he jobs to opponents, Ragna is not weak in any sense of the word. It takes a real badass to earn that bounty and reputation. Despite that however, Ragna isn't the strongest character in his series, far from it in fact and there are a lot of characters implied to be higher than him. The thing is, Ragna is still trying to get a hold on his power and understand it better, a character arc that is far from over as he struggles, for better or worse, to get through. I have no doubt Ragna will only get stronger as he reaches the climax of his arc and may even end the series as among the strongest characters, not unlike Sol. They are two characters who go through very different character arcs despite their similarities, so it's important to understand that. Now onto the subject of the DB, well personality isn't really taken into account and it's based more on raw power. The fact of the matter is, Sol is stronger than Ragna in his current level. Sol has shown far more destructive capabilities, endured a hell of a lot of punishment, and has over a century and a half of experience in fighting and surviving. Ragna feats, as good as they may be, are rather tame when compared to Sol's. This isn't to say that Ragna can't win, but that would require an ability that he possesses in which Sol doesn't have. The only thing that really comes to mind is Soul Eater and that might be the deciding factor of this fight and it all hinges if Sol doesn't adapt to it and starts to no sell it rendering it useless. Otherwise, I can't really see Ragna winning this fight without some sort of Ass pull or contradiction to give him the win and honestly, that would cheapen the win in my eyes. I want Ragna to win by merits of his own abilities, not because of contrivances due to plot. ....This was lengthier than it needed to be. Tl;DR: They're both awesome, Sol is just more awesome while Ragna has a token ability that may or may not decide it.
Kyosuke Kagami Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Sol, because f**k Ragna. Sol is actually intelligent, has designed magical weapons that help him use his powers effectively, has a fighting experience of more than 100 years, rarely loses his temper (unlike Ragna, who always runs into shit he can't manage most of the time because of stupid reasons), actually understands about the powers he uses (magic) and he has had to take on bigger, out of control monstrosities by himself without having to transform into that dragon (AKA giant form Valentine). Ragna... words can't describe fully how dull, plain, stupid and useless he is. He always wins because of deus machina bullcrap.
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