Ragna Critique and Self-Improvement Thread

[Yggjrasil]

Yeah, It was my first tournament, Im usually more proficient with my combos,but that day I was dropping shit all day, ten it just dawned upon me to do some TK Belial Edge trolling and so I did and I lol'ed and so did the rest of NorCal XD but i will take your advice though, I have to get used to Ragna's normals and try different ways of comboing into Belial Edge.

[Sadeyo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VR7Kogosrg

My Ragna in action once again. I know I missed a Devoured By Darkness oppurtunity. An Inferno Divider during Noel 214a (I know there's more). Helpful tips or just enjoy it. My word still stands true to any other Ragna that might want a recording and posted here for some help.

[Yggjrasil]

Goryus vs GammaGearJustice

I would like some help on what to do against Lambda/Nu. She still is a tough match for me even after all this time. @ 1:10 I was incredibly salty about having enough meter to rapid and finish Goryus off but I had 1st tournament jitters, I wasnt thinking straight at all, I did a whole bunch of stupid shit especially @ 1:14, WTF 3C Rapid?

[Sadeyo]

Goryus vs GammaGearJustice

I would like some help on what to do against Lambda/Nu. She still is a tough match for me even after all this time. @ 1:10 I was incredibly salty about having enough meter to rapid and finish Goryus off but I had 1st tournament jitters, I wasnt thinking straight at all, I did a whole bunch of stupid shit especially @ 1:14, WTF 3C Rapid?

First Fight

In the first 10 seconds you managed to land a counter hit Gauntlet Hades. If you knew how to control Ragna short dashes you could have saved it with a 5bxn. If you know a good combo you cuold easily net a simple 3k+ combo. 22 seconds into the video how you managed to catch your opponent in a crouched position with 2a. Proration may be bad but in this position you could link a 6cxn after 5c. Your rush down after that was pretty good. It really didn't require the 50 heat to keep it going as you could jump cancel your 5c or 3c into more pressure. 35 seconds you caught Goryu in another crouched position with a good 2c which could link into a 6c right after.

Understand Ragna 6c is ultimate weapon and will lead to most of his strongest combos no matter what the range. Well maybe this was true back in CT but some of law could apply in CS.

Jump air dashing is a little safer against Lambda but still not recommended.

1:08 your 6b confirmation was great but you have to take notice of Ragna positioning no matter what you do. Many options open up at this point and what you did wasn't such a bad choice. After Hells Fang it would have been best that you rapid cancel after it and dash into a 6axn (aerial combo).

Lambda drive is pretty preditable. The odds of it ever being a good cross up is if the pinwheel is attacking you as a low and they approach with a crescent saber xn. Just the basics of my Lambda knowledge so don't take all of it to heart.

You cut your Gauntlet Hades short a few times. If you go through the maximum delayed time with the second hit dash 5b will most likely save it to either a 5c from the landing position. Bad Carnages Scissors. Lets go on. 2:08 you have some decent options to either go into a 6c GH loop or take your option of a 5d dash cancel into 6a xn.

Your hit confirm is very poor and your mix-up is still in the A, B, C, D order. Vary your mix-up to keep a better lockdown and understand your hit confirms that will hopefully lead into your great combos.

[Sadeyo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGfJjL5fs9Y

More Ragna from Calamity Trigger. Provide advice or enjoy the show. I been waiting to record some Jin vs Ragna matches before CT is completely over. Prepare for some more Jin vs Ragna in the future until CT is over. I'm looking forward to the Ragna vs Hazama in CS.

[A.X.I.S.]

practice your spacing and hit confirms...round 1 was a failure on execution.

stop rushing in and mashing stuff.

IB certain pokes like 5D, j.C, 6D, 2D, and air EX ice blades.

those I just named makes fighting jin so much less painful to fight.

also practice your mix-up the stuff you did was something anyone can react to.

the jin you fought was decent but he had a couple of dumb mistakes/habits he needs to work on.

lastly how was the lag.

[FlyingVe]

^ I will be kicking all manner of Ragna ass with Hazama. He's so easy to IB, which equals Jayoku... At least until people learn the matchup.

[Sadeyo]

practice your spacing and hit confirms...round 1 was a failure on execution.

stop rushing in and mashing stuff.

IB certain pokes like 5D, j.C, 6D, 2D, and air EX ice blades.

those I just named makes fighting jin so much less painful to fight.

also practice your mix-up the stuff you did was something anyone can react to.

the jin you fought was decent but he had a couple of dumb mistakes/habits he needs to work on.

lastly how was the lag.

Do you know how to use Ragna yourself? Not to sound rude but I can't help but think I might notice some animosity. Your basically repeating everything I said to GammaGearJustice. Most of all he needs more help then I do. The lag was a rarity. I had a gold connection with the person. Sorry for my own rant but feel free to continue to provide some advice.

FlyingVe-Please, Your Hazama would be wiped left and right on the screen if you ever decided to fight me. Though if your going at it with your sub I'll do the same.

[A.X.I.S.]

Do you know how to use Ragna yourself? Not to sound rude but I can't help but think I might notice some animosity. Your basically repeating everything I said to GammaGearJustice. Most of all he needs more help then I do. The lag was a rarity. I had a gold connection with the person. Sorry for my own rant but feel free to continue to provide some advice.

no offense taken but I wouldn't be giving you advice if I didn't play the guy.

also I didn't read your post towards GGJ.

I saw his match but I didn't critique...afterall I don't play CS yet so I couldn't give much advice.

If you wanna see my ragna I can arrange it so I can get a few video's up.

I'll check some people who got recorders and see what I can do.

[-Ladon-]

Do you know how to use Ragna yourself? Not to sound rude but I can't help but think I might notice some animosity. Your basically repeating everything I said to GammaGearJustice. Most of all he needs more help then I do. The lag was a rarity. I had a gold connection with the person. Sorry for my own rant but feel free to continue to provide some advice.

FlyingVe-Please, Your Hazama would be wiped left and right on the screen if you ever decided to fight me. Though if your going at it with your sub I'll do the same.

if you're going to post a critique, you better be expecting everyone to take apart your gameplay, don't get salty because you're doing something wrong

and stop acting like you're a godsend to the character when you're still learning and taking critiquing, it makes you look retarded

[Sadeyo]

if you're going to post a critique, you better be expecting everyone to take apart your gameplay, don't get salty because you're doing something wrong

and stop acting like you're a godsend to the character when you're still learning and taking critiquing, it makes you look retarded

Fine fine. Win or lose everyone needs help.

I don't recall putting myself as a pinnacle of all Ragna players. Maybe my shit talking with FlyingVe but it's only challenging humor. Just to clear things up if that was misinterpreted.

[FlyingVe]

I was deeply offended... for you to make such assumptions is... distasteful...

Anyways, I took a look at the match. Quite frankely it just seemed like casuals. The execution by both players was crap in the first two rounds. My only general advice is as follows:

1)In the corner, nobody should be able to jump out of DS>Dash5B. Your timing was off and jin got out of a situation where he should have got hit.

2)Jins pressure wil go on forever if you don't do something about it. ID slow stuff like Tri-Ice and 6D (you can do both on reaction easily). You can try and yomi ID other stuff if you want, but make sure you have meter. The other option is like Axis said, IB the slow pokes, it opens up alot of holes in Jin's pressure.

[A.X.I.S.]

I'm a spacing whore and I played jin a WHOLE lot so I know what to IB and punish...also deadspike beats jin's DP...C dp will wiff and the other 2 DP's will trade,

D DP will hit you regardless.

another thing I like...your reward for punishing jin's DP's are 4-5k and jin's normal punish is 4k tops unless he has corner then expect more than that.

[FlyingVe]

To be fair though, CT Ragna damage is all over the place. He can do ridiculous amounts of damage with his mixup (6B, TK GH, throw) but alot of his other hits barely break 2k. Jin on the other hand has more consistent damage, usually just about 3k, and he can up it by adding meter or being in a corner, rather than relying on a bad block by the opponent. ArkSys fixed this in CS with Berial Edge.

[SolheartStud]

I'm a spacing whore and I played jin a WHOLE lot so I know what to IB and punish...also deadspike beats jin's DP...C dp will wiff and the other 2 DP's will trade,

D DP will hit you regardless.

another thing I like...your reward for punishing jin's DP's are 4-5k and jin's normal punish is 4k tops unless he has corner then expect more than that.

Mind telling me what I can IB and punish? I have a hard time with good Jins....

[Skye]

Mind telling me what I can IB and punish? I have a hard time with good Jins....

I'm that Jin he plays a whole lot so I'll contribute to that.

Punishable on IB things.

jc

5c*

6c

5d**

2d

any DP

j236d

*This can only be punished if Jin continues pressure with a jump or another attack, if Jin tries to cross up with anything, ID will whiff, watch out for this.

**This can only be punished if Jin doesn't follow up with a special attack immediately, however if Jin even so much as tries to delay a follow up, a dash in 5B will catch him good unless he does C or D DP.

[A.X.I.S.]

Mind telling me what I can IB and punish? I have a hard time with good Jins....

things that you can IB that helps.

5C=lowers your block stun and helps you get out of jin's pressure..5C is hella unsafe by itself so expect him to jump or do 5D or 3C...all of them can be punished by ID.

5D=dash 5B beats all of his following moves but DP's...if you smell a DP I advice you crouch and pick up your reward for guessing correct.

2D=jump IB it...that plus 10 really helps...and if your close to the ground you can ID and j.b before he finishes his recovery...sometimes.

j.C=any jin thats using j.C as pressure deserves an ID before he even lands, you better hope he doesn't do j.236D though or you might end up trading.

j.236D=if you IB it then his idea of pressure just went out the window...punish his ass with ID or if spacing allows it 5A.

also fighting jin be mad careful in the air....j.b wrecks all your air pokes.

[FlyingVe]

also fighting jin be mad careful in the air....j.b wrecks all your air pokes.

Ragna's jA is faster than his jB. Usually, I do alot of jA at the beginning of the round to make the Jin player doubt the godly-ness of his jB. A soon as they start second guessing it, your options get a whole lot better.

[A.X.I.S.]

his j.b always crushed my j.a...no matter how close I am and how well I spaced it.

in fact I got CH'd trying.

[FlyingVe]

By spacing, I hope you mean in his face, because jB has mad range.

But seriously, when you play against Jin you have to play the other guy. Pay attention to when he likes to throw his jB, then focus on stuffing it. My guess is it's a timing issue not a spacing one. If your both air dashing at each other (hypothetically), throw jA earlier, and his jB will collide with it. This can be hard at first, because it goes against normal muscle memory to jA so early, and Jin players know how much range jB has, and throw it sooner. You are effectively baiting their habits.

Edit: This tactic is far from perfect, Jin's jB is ridiculously good. The goal is to get him to play by your terms, not his. This is a way to get in his head.

[Skye]

I actually started spacing my jbs now, that plan would have worked like a charm on me sooner.

I can see myself whining like a scrub at how Jin fails in the air too.

[Sadeyo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfGj-QAFfkk

Critique or enjoy the match. What I learned from this fight is that I had ton of oki in this fight that I could have took advantage of but I kept trying to prep myself for any kind of wake up. short dash 22c or 2b 22c could have been used multiple times when I had Jin trapped. Failed to bait a burst twice.

[A.X.I.S.]

round 1: how come your first rounds always have you doing poorly...online is... -_-

no matter what Ice hadouken jin does, you can always IAD punish him with very little worry.

round 2: that carnage scissor was pointless...same damage from 5B>6A>air bnb.

general advice: pace yourself, you have no reason to run in blindly.

mix up your mix up...caught you doing the same risky strings over again.

use barrier to stop and defend while running, it would save you a lot of hurt.

if your worried about jin's DP's just use 2A on his wake up...it baits most of his DP's.

other than that you did alright.

[TITANIUM BEAST!!!]

Some matches of me playing CS online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z86AbmWe8pI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfK3UIfHOgc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OQFyR38CoM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lAvUTEdfJE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xatiRg5ep0Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lrAzE-EzUE

If I do any sub-optimal combos, it's because I lose almost all my confidence in lag. All matches against Litchi.

[-Ladon-]

IMO since you were having a hard time getting back into range the occasional HF-no followup probably would've thrown them off and you wouldn't have to rezone afterwords.

there were some times you weren't going for double BE when you should've, it's worth the heat for sure if you get a KD, and you can force them to tech with a 3C ender, cause no one wants to take 22c oki.

I could tell you were getting comfortable as the videos went on which is good.

when you rapid go for something that will land 22c oki, there's a solid amount of options to do it even if it lands sub-optimal damage, it's still 22c oki and the mixup options after it aren't limited to anything, people will easily fall for green throws or long ass mids.

other than that just for the matchup you should've moved in with 6A or if you think they spaced you just enough do a ground ID to get the AUB through that retarded litchi j.c range since her hitbox is still part of the stick, make sure it's C ID though, if it doesn't counter you can just let it drop, they tech immediately as they hit the ground and you start mixup, or just BE off it and force a 3C tech.

lot of words, but mostly good job done, as a couple of questions: how do you rate ragna's combos online? still the easiest of the cast?

and also, how's litchi in general? looks like she still controls space too well against ragna