Zedar90 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Just now, JustaMaskedFreak said: After no. 10... So she is like a Murakuno Unit No. 14? Something like ξ [Xi] -No.14-" (OK, I will stop it) Anyway, does her weapon have a proper name or it is a variation of Lux Sanctus: Murakumo?... Wait... Now I noticed something. ξ [Xi] pronunciation = 死 [Shi] Pronunciation 死 = Death... Oh god... Nah, it only means that 11,12 and 13 are made/based from her, in other words nothing new. What we know is that her weapon's name is Yasakani no Magatama. Like Kusanagi, it has it's name taken from one of the Three Sacred Treasures of Japan, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's connected with the murakumos.
DeadmanJV2 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 I also thought it was interesting how her dislike was Ragna. Especially since she seems less hostile to him than she is to Terumi (even without taking into consideration that she offered him Terumi's head). I wonder if Ragna is the key to defeating Izanami and that's her issue with him (and maybe she wanted him on her side simply so that he wouldn't be able to oppose her.) Then again I could be reading way too much into it and she's just really polite to everyone she hates, except Terumi for some reason. Interestingly, that description leads me to believe that Lambda was the first unit that actually used Saya as the base. Which makes sense considering she's the earliest model that showed up and thus the closest thing to a success they had at that point. I really look forward to getting more insight into Izanami. She's one of my favorite designs but as a villain she's kind of... underdeveloped? At least compared to Terumi, Relius, and Nine. Although Izanami also hasn't had as much screentime as Terumi and Relius.
Zedar90 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 13 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said: Oh, I get it. Supervillain. Puzzles. Treats entire plan like one big one. Metaphors galore. Remember, Izanami from that other game (not mentioning in case of accidental spoilers) was a freaking gas station attendant in her spare time, guess she's not the idle type either way. "Is the sample for Prime Fields after no.10", so.....Murakumo units. Nothing new there then. Calls (for) Ragna? That's odd considering that she's his only apparent dislike. Either it's referring to her fondness for him in CP..... or could it be cries for help in CF? No, I meant calls Ragna brother, I missed a word there. It might be that it's from Saya that she calls Ragna brother, or it hints that there might be another reason behind it(Izanagi?)
JustaMaskedFreak Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 If she is some sorta of Murakumo Unit, it makes me a little disappointed, because EVERY blazblue game, the final boss is a Murakumo. Calamity Trigger: Nu-13 Continuum Shift: Mu-12 Chronophantasma: Nu-13 (AGAIN) And even if we have an act 3 boss, I really doubt it would steal Izanami's spotilight. EDIT: Thanks Zedar90 to clarifying about 11, 12 and 13 being based/made from Izanami, but yet, still thinking she is sorta a Murakumo... Nah, Naoto would notice it
Luminos564 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 4 hours ago, MaximusMurkimus said: Calls (for) Ragna? That's odd considering that she's his only apparent dislike. Either it's referring to her fondness for him in CP..... or could it be cries for help in CF? It's probably because of the host body and how it affects her regardless of her own actual will. Remember, she still has no real love for Hazama/Terumi because of what he did to Saya's body and explains it to him that "it still harbors anger towards him". In the same fashion, it seems that because Saya longs for Ragna, Izanami herself offered him a place at her side. Her disliking him might be more in tune towards Saya's obsession with him rather than with the man himself since, as Terumi points out at the start of CP, they didn't need Ragna to live past CS True Ending and yet she let him live for no adequately explained reason (though this is only from his point of view and Izanami could have easily kept him around for "SURPRISE BLACK BEAST MOFOs" at the very end). EDIT: "No, I meant calls Ragna brother, I missed a word there. It might be that it's from Saya that she calls Ragna brother, or it hints that there might be another reason behind it(Izanagi?)" Oh jeez if it turns out that Ragna's housing Izanagi or that Naoto is Izanagi and him crossing over means he and Ragna began merging ala Hazama and Terumi, I will just t(-_-t).
kylehyde Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 I think her dislike for Ragna is probably Izanami's influence, more than likely she knows that Ragna is the only person who can actually defeat her. Still I would of guessed she would of hated Rachel or Noel over Ragna.
KanaNoir Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 The fact that she dislikes Ragna may seem normal but when you think about it, hating the world or life itself would've been more natural. I think that it is indeed because he always stands in her way that she hates him, but there is still Saya inside of her. I can smell a "Get paralysed because of Saya's influence and is killed" type of end for her...
MaximusMurkimus Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 59 minutes ago, kylehyde said: I think her dislike for Ragna is probably Izanami's influence, more than likely she knows that Ragna is the only person who can actually defeat her. Still I would of guessed she would of hated Rachel or Noel over Ragna. I'm gonna look at it from a joke ending perspective and say that Ragna's the only one she dislikes because she's actually absolutely tsundere for him. All of Saya's clones are fond of Ragna more than they'll admit (besides Nu, anyway) I don't see why that would be any different with the original, death goddess or not. I can see it now; Joke ending: Fatal Four Way between Nu/Noel/Lambda/Saya for Ragna's affection. Plus Rachel and Jin somewhere in there. On another note, I don't see why she would dislike Ragna because he's the only one who could defeat her; Noel aka Mu-12 aka mf'ing Godslayer was getting ready to potentially end her at the end of CP, which is why she had Ragna go berserk in the first place. What I'm more curious about is why she has her likes as "the World". Pretty contradicting from someone who wants most of said world dead or dying.
Zedar90 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 It's not that contradicting, she like the world but she hates the life on it, so she wants her dear world to be a wasteland. It only feels insane. As for disliking Ragna, I could see that Ragna could be in the center of why the world is being forced into being alive again, so she might hate Ragna for being the cause of it. If Ragna didn't exist, maybe all of this would never have happened.
Mirage of Void Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 41 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said: I'm gonna look at it from a joke ending perspective and say that Ragna's the only one she dislikes because she's actually absolutely tsundere for him. All of Saya's clones are fond of Ragna more than they'll admit (besides Nu, anyway) I don't see why that would be any different with the original, death goddess or not. I can see it now; Joke ending: Fatal Four Way between Nu/Noel/Lambda/Saya for Ragna's affection. Plus Rachel and Jin somewhere in there. Would be pretty entertaining if she went 200x Nu in a joke ending tbh fam.
MaximusMurkimus Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Mirage of Void said: Would be pretty entertaining if she went 200x Nu in a joke ending tbh fam. Include the Spectacles of Eros, have them break 2 minutes in, and nothing changes. It's the joke ending that writes itself.
Tong Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Not sure if It's just me, but it appears Izanami has doll-like joints below her armpits and thighs.
KanaNoir Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 At first I thought so too but no joints. More likely just her top making it looking like there is a separation between her armpit and shoulder. Also it's quite obvious why she likes The World, she has time on her side after all...
Zedar90 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 I've seen it also, but it's hard to say since it's sprites, but it wouldn't surprise me if she had. Spoiler
Tong Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 I'd say it's rather visible on her official portrait
KanaNoir Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 From up close it's clearly visible indeed. Interesting, but too nad the right armpit's joint is drawn like it covers the armpit hahaha, drawing shenanigans are still a thing today. Welp, it could take the Artificial Human thingy to another level but Noel doesn't have joints... Could be meaningful detail or braindead design choice. Spoiler I'm betting on the second
MaximusMurkimus Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Could it be that it's just some redundant part of her costume? Even thought the bottom part in the sprites were modesty shorts or something. Can't be anything artificial if none of the clones share it. I thought this as much but up close, still kinda creepy. Hopefully the arcade mode will shine some light on exactly who it is we're dealing with here. EDIT: Looking at some other sprites like this one, and it doesn't seem to be ther at all. wtf is going on I wonder. Edited January 25, 2016 by MaximusMurkimus
FKGunBlaze Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 @Zedar90 What do Nine and Izanami's captions in the website say?
Zedar90 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 6 minutes ago, GunBlazer said: @Zedar90 What do Nine and Izanami's captions in the website say? Nine: Show me more of your desire(dream)! Izanami: …I'll grant death equally to everything. That's all.
KanaNoir Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 I think the Murakumo 11 to 13 are more BASED from Saya than litteraly cloned. It has always been bugging me that Noel, Lambda and Nu have distinctive traits of their own. The one who's closest to looking like Saya is Noel. And I always wondered how in the heavens Ragna figured that the emo girl in a shrine temple dress was Saya... Tl:dr, Noel, Nu and Mu look too different to be real clones in my opinion. BB may even look at clones in a different way than our medias usually do (perfect replicas). But considering how inconsistent BB's artworks are, it wouldn't surprise me that those girl are "officially" perfect clones of Saya...
MaximusMurkimus Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, KanaNoir said: Itt has always been bugging me that Noel, Lambda and Nu have distinctive traits of their own. The one who's closest to looking like Saya is Noel. And I always wondered how in the heavens Ragna figured that the emo girl in a shrine temple dress was Saya... Someone asked this on TV Tropes, and the answer was more simple than I thought. If any of our siblings decided to go "that's it, I'm starting Doomsday" and get a suitable evil costume swap, chances are you'd look at them and wonder what character are they cosplaying. I don't see how Ragna or Jin would be any different. She also had the same VA as Noel in the original CS, which would've been the biggest hint. As for the Murakumos, there's differently some physical variations between them, but Noel and Lambda are pretty similar in features while Nu is short and has creepy pale skin. They didn't have to be perfect clones as much as they were good weapons, but in Noel's case, she just happened to be both, so there's certainly some correlation between how identical they are to Saya and how successful they were as experiments. Lambda could've been identical to Noel if she was raised as a girl, too.
Tong Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 They dont really look the same/clones because of the radically different hairstyles, it makes a huge difference. And heck, even twins in real life have small differences that are enough to tell them apart.
kylehyde Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 8 hours ago, Zedar90 said: It's not that contradicting, she like the world but she hates the life on it, so she wants her dear world to be a wasteland. It only feels insane. As for disliking Ragna, I could see that Ragna could be in the center of why the world is being forced into being alive again, so she might hate Ragna for being the cause of it. If Ragna didn't exist, maybe all of this would never have happened. Yeah that also makes sense, I mean Ragna is called The Destroyer of the World by Jubei and Rachel. I still wonder what that means. He is also supposed to be The Protector of the Azure if he so chooses, but as far as I know these titles were never touched upon again after being mentioned in CS, unless I'm mistaken.
sg1989 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 12 hours ago, Zedar90 said: It's not that contradicting, she like the world but she hates the life on it, so she wants her dear world to be a wasteland. It only feels insane. As for disliking Ragna, I could see that Ragna could be in the center of why the world is being forced into being alive again, so she might hate Ragna for being the cause of it. If Ragna didn't exist, maybe all of this would never have happened. if there wasn't ragna, I do not see how all this could not have happened, Terumi / Hazama or Relius could safely take his place in a sense. We can say that ragna can be considered the lesser evil XD PS: sorry for my bad english
Luminos564 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 6 hours ago, kylehyde said: Yeah that also makes sense, I mean Ragna is called The Destroyer of the World by Jubei and Rachel. I still wonder what that means. He is also supposed to be The Protector of the Azure if he so chooses, but as far as I know these titles were never touched upon again after being mentioned in CS, unless I'm mistaken. Small correction but Jubei claimed Ragna would grow up to become either the "Destroyer of the World" or a "Guardian of the Azure". Now, his role as the "destroyer" has been talked about the most (although vaguely), with Rachel herself claiming that the world itself is "sick" with order and that it needs someone like Ragna to bring an end to it. Keep in mind, she didn't say that being the destroyer means "killing every living thing so a big ol' reset button" is pressed. In fact, she didn't even explain how he's supposed to go about doing that. *Side note: both Rachel, Kokonoe and Jubei to an extent are frakkin' terrible at explaining and being crystal clear. People get on Ragna's case all the time for being a walking pile of anger management issues. But if your only sources of information are a smarmy, smarter-than-thou attitude vampire and an amoral scientist with a penchant for blowing crap up and their typical response to your inquiry is "if I feel like it", you'd be pretty pissed off too. But back on track. So we got a small idea on what Ragna's supposed to do as a "destroyer". However, his potential to become an "Azure Guardian" is completely unexplored outside of that one mention in Ragna's flashback to when he met Taokaka as a kid and Jubei spoke of his role to Torakaka. In my mind, this really culminates in him acting as the protector of either the Azure's Inheritor (read: Noel, which he more or less is already doing) or perhaps Amaterasu. Alternatively, you could write it up as his role to "save the girl trapped in the monster". But that last one is unclear since we don't know who the "girl" even is at the moment.
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