Central Fiction Arcade Plot Discussion (spoilers)

[cr1ms0n]

Well, I'm dead from all the exciting news this past week. First BBCF on PS3/PS4, secondly the news about ES, and finally the fact that I was able to find BE 1&2 after searching for months on Yahoo Auctions.

Anyways back on topic. It is possible that the Black Beast seen on the stage could be the one that was sealed by the Azure Shrine Maiden centuries prior to XBLAZE. It was never said that particular Black Beast was defeated, only sealed inside the Boundary at the cost of the maiden's life. Of course, Terumi wanting Noel to get back her power once again has the possibility of him opening the Gate and releasing the "Original" Black Beast, allowing it to devour all life on the planet and return all the souls into the Azure...

 

But of course that's just a theory.

 

Well, I'll be checking back from time to time. Mori and I are freaking out about the new Godzilla trailer and believe me, Mori loves his Godzilla.

[Toxin45]

Yeah that black beast will be the true final boss also Es emblem looks a mix between the embryo and the master unit emblems

[Luminos564]

8 minutes ago, Contreras1991 said:

I think Mori is getting everyone in the story because will be the last blazblue

We've gone over this. Mori stated that Central Fiction will be the ending to Ragna's story only. Blazblue as a series could very well continue beyond that. Heck, depending on the route Ragna's ending ultimately takes, he could still make appearances in future titles. Playable even. But I wish people would stop acting like CF is the ending to Blazblue as a whole. The series gathered a nice following of players and the lore is so huge, you could make more games out of it. Do you honestly think ASW and Mori specifically wouldn't take the opportunity to make more moolah from it?

[Contreras1991]

2 minutes ago, Luminos564 said:

We've gone over this. Mori stated that Central Fiction will be the ending to Ragna's story only. Blazblue as a series could very well continue beyond that. Heck, depending on the route Ragna's ending ultimately takes, he could still make appearances in future titles. Playable even. But I wish people would stop acting like CF is the ending to Blazblue as a whole. The series gathered a nice following of players and the lore is so huge, you could make more games out of it. Do you honestly think ASW and Mori specifically wouldn't take the opportunity to make more moolah from it?

not an end as whole, but for sure they will take a rest with the series, planning for the next step

[kaizouwar]

Yeah, Blazblue isn't going down anytime soon. The series is too massive to end in Central Fiction.

[kylehyde]

I wonder what a Blazblue game without Ragna would be like. I'm no fan of Jin and I still don't know enough about Naoto to be fine with him getting the protagonist role. I feel like everything has come to a climax in Central Fiction. We seem to be getting most of the answers to the questions. It definitely has the "feel" of the final chapter of this story. Mori says it's the final chapter of Ragna's story, but really Blazblue IS Ragna's story. Basically without Ragna there is no Blazblue is what I'm getting at. 

The only thing I could think of is that Mori takes Blazblue several years into the future with a whole new cast of characters, new villains, and brand new plot. Shit I wouldn't mind if the characters were direct descendants of the current cast. A little cliche but who cares I'm a sucker for that stuff.

[JustaMaskedFreak]

Despite of this being the last from Ragna's story, somehow I think he may appear way later. Y'know, Blazblue can be rather boring without Rags, who swears a lot and always act as a Joker/Wild Card, where you never predict what he may do...

[kaizouwar]

I'm glad that Blazblue is continuing on after Central Fiction but I'm gonna be sad that Ragna isn't going to be the main protagonist anymore, it was a fun ride.

[IsItWitty]

Es has a simplistic crest.

For once

[Kenji Harima]

13 hours ago, Fenris said:

Makes sense given the many Shinto parallels the Blazblue series has.

Mainly yeah but not only, there are some names and terms from Judaism/Christianity like Sheol Gate (She'ol in Hebrew), restriction 666 (Beast's number), Azrael and others. The Mu date of birth probably wasn't take randomly too.

6 hours ago, Luminos564 said:

Heck, depending on the route Ragna's ending ultimately takes, he could still make appearances in future titles. Playable even. But I wish people would stop acting like CF is the ending to Blazblue as a whole. The series gathered a nice following of players and the lore is so huge, you could make more games out of it. Do you honestly think ASW and Mori specifically wouldn't take the opportunity to make more moolah from it?

Many people are just worrying that Rag will die.

I would like to add something to your statement:

Actually the video games' companies don't kill the protagonist in modern games except If the game isn't a horror or another dark fpp so people don't need to worry. The last game I remember where protagonist was killed was Mega Man Zero 4. The times have changed and permanently death of the hero or heroine usually brings not only whines from fans but financial sustain.

Even if his soul will be destroyed it doesn't matter -> in the world like BlazBlue there still be a possibility to ressurected him. Personally I think that idea like this will spoil the potential of new BlazBlue (Phase V).

In my opinion they should give Ragna retire time after CF. It may looks something like this -> know "the truth" about the world -> save "The Girl" -> save the world -> regain/make family and finally take a position of mentor like Jubei.

 

I have just also noticed that Lambda and Nu are similiar in looks to Es. Slow thinking but I have only been playing first XBlaze game a little. In terms of personality this girl it's a similiar to Rachel. I know that the BB, BE and XB world it's the same universe but I don't like that much this idea to bring them together -> Es and Naoto are exceptions cause their appearance in BB world were explained in their own games or at least we have some guesses but I hope that nobody in Arc System Works get an idea to bring Toya in BB.

[1337 H@x0r]

Hush people! We are forbidden to speculate about potential characters.

In any case, we already have two bloodedges and they are much stronger thanTouya.

Besides, Es is the only one who has a connection with BB through Lost Memories through Nine while Naoto had one in Rachel.

[Toxin45]

Yeah but he has the original grimore which is more complete than ragna's

[BlazGearRegalia]

8 hours ago, JustaMaskedFreak said:

Despite of this being the last from Ragna's story, somehow I think he may appear way later. Y'know, Blazblue can be rather boring without Rags, who swears a lot and always act as a Joker/Wild Card, where you never predict what he may do...

Don't forget, Ragna also has a unique attribute to his personality: He can go from being a hero to a downright monster and back. I don't know any other character with a trait like that. And when you think about it, Ragna is very, if not the most, "human" among the cast of characters in the series.

8 hours ago, kylehyde said:

I wonder what a Blazblue game without Ragna would be like. I'm no fan of Jin and I still don't know enough about Naoto to be fine with him getting the protagonist role. I feel like everything has come to a climax in Central Fiction. We seem to be getting most of the answers to the questions. It definitely has the "feel" of the final chapter of this story. Mori says it's the final chapter of Ragna's story, but really Blazblue IS Ragna's story. Basically without Ragna there is no Blazblue is what I'm getting at. 

The only thing I could think of is that Mori takes Blazblue several years into the future with a whole new cast of characters, new villains, and brand new plot. Shit I wouldn't mind if the characters were direct descendants of the current cast. A little cliche but who cares I'm a sucker for that stuff.

It would probably take the creative thinking of both Mori and Daisuke to come up with a new protagonist that could live up or top Ragna as a character. I don't know about you, but I dare say Ragna has to be one of the best protagonists in gaming history.

8 hours ago, Luminos564 said:

We've gone over this. Mori stated that Central Fiction will be the ending to Ragna's story only. Blazblue as a series could very well continue beyond that. Heck, depending on the route Ragna's ending ultimately takes, he could still make appearances in future titles. Playable even. But I wish people would stop acting like CF is the ending to Blazblue as a whole. The series gathered a nice following of players and the lore is so huge, you could make more games out of it. Do you honestly think ASW and Mori specifically wouldn't take the opportunity to make more moolah from it?

I think the lore is another reason why people are acting like CF is the end of BB. The lore is full of all sorts of crazy ideas [crazy in a good way] and when you take away Amaterasu [which is what CF is looking to do at the end], the lore kinda goes with it. [or so I think] I would ask for your thoughts on what Ragna would be like as a playable character in future titles, but I'll save that for another time.

[Toxin45]

Ironically in act 3 some of the characters don't even want their desires to be full filled like Tao so ragna would at least be aware of that and I think Amane would at least tell him about the amateratsu unit and the gate of the gods thing if he is meeting es

[MaximusMurkimus]

3 hours ago, Kenji Harima said:

Mainly yeah but not only, there are some names and terms from Judaism/Christianity like Sheol Gate (She'ol in Hebrew), restriction 666 (Beast's number), Azrael and others. The Mu date of birth probably wasn't take randomly too.

Many people are just worrying that Rag will die.

I would like to add something to your statement:

Actually the video games' companies don't kill the protagonist in modern games except If the game isn't a horror or another dark fpp so people don't need to worry. The last game I remember where protagonist was killed was Mega Man Zero 4. The times have changed and permanently death of the hero or heroine usually brings not only whines from fans but financial sustain.

Even if his soul will be destroyed it doesn't matter -> in the world like BlazBlue there still be a possibility to ressurected him. Personally I think that idea like this will spoil the potential of new BlazBlue (Phase V).

In my opinion they should give Ragna retire time after CF. It may looks something like this -> know "the truth" about the world -> save "The Girl" -> save the world -> regain/make family and finally take a position of mentor like Jubei.

 

I have just also noticed that Lambda and Nu are similiar in looks to Es. Slow thinking but I have only been playing first XBlaze game a little. In terms of personality this girl it's a similiar to Rachel. I know that the BB, BE and XB world it's the same universe but I don't like that much this idea to bring them together -> Es and Naoto are exceptions cause their appearance in BB world were explained in their own games or at least we have some guesses but I hope that nobody in Arc System Works get an idea to bring Toya in BB.

He'll, they could always go the Fate Prisma route, where the protagonist of the main series (Shiro) lives happy and oblivious with his family that was mostly a mess in the canon world, and it's the younger sibling (Illya) who is getting into a set of new troubles.

But please, no more Noel. After CF I'm convinced the entire story is mostly her fault.

[BlazGearRegalia]

24 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

He'll, they could always go the Fate Prisma route, where the protagonist of the main series (Shiro) lives happy and oblivious with his family that was mostly a mess in the canon world, and it's the younger sibling (Illya) who is getting into a set of new troubles.

But please, no more Noel. After CF I'm convinced the entire story is mostly her fault.

I'm seeing the no more Noel as a 50/50 chance, but yes, please no more.

 

Also, off topic question, but: Can anyone elaborate on what's so special about Noel, aside from being the only gunslinger in the game? I don't mean to sound hateful , but it feels like she gets special treatment compared to everyone else. [if she ends up keeping her CT/CS costume in CF like back in CP, I hope some of the other characters get alternate costumes]

[Zedar90]

7 minutes ago, BlazGearRegalia said:

Also, off topic question, but: Can anyone elaborate on what's so special about Noel, aside from being the only gunslinger in the game? I don't mean to sound hateful , but it feels like she gets special treatment compared to everyone else. [if she ends up keeping her CT/CS costume in CF like back in CP, I hope some of the other characters get alternate costumes]

She's the heroine/third protagonist of the series. One of the faces of the franchises who is supposed to make people interested in it who doesn't care about "dudes".

Off course she is getting special treatment, that is why she is existing in the first place.

[BlazGearRegalia]

17 minutes ago, Zedar90 said:

She's the heroine/third protagonist of the series. One of the faces of the franchises who is supposed to make people interested in it who doesn't care about "dudes".

Off course she is getting special treatment, that is why she is existing in the first place.

Meant to say that she gets more compared to the other two main protagonists, but NEVERMIND, thank you, now moving on for the sake of relevancy!

 

I do wonder what's gonna happen to Nu and Lamb-Lamb in CF. Nu is nuts as always [Actually, she's starting to scare me...], and Lamb-Lamb is looking to get killed off again. [which for the sake of Lambda fans I hope not, even though I don't care much for her]

[1337 H@x0r]

Well...

To be honest, Blazblue has more room to develop prequels than sequels and there is plenty of room for Ragna to appear in the former.

The tretralogy of Blazblue is the story of Ragna and the Prime Field devices revolving around humanity's involvement with Amaterasu and the Boundary but it still doesn't explain the whole story of the lore.

We still haven't got a clue as to who build the Sanskishin Units, Take-Mikazuchi and Izayoi, who truly was Clavis Alucard and the role he played in history, were the Gates a natural part of the World or were they build by an unknown faction who knew the Azure existed without them?

If Ragna becomes guardian of the Azure, he will likely gain access to these truths and will likely be able to appear in several different eras as a guest character even if he is no longer the protagonist.

[ChainRevolver]

I am actually hoping for both Ragna and most especially, Noel (this time, as Amaterasu) to make appearances on the next Blazblue games. I felt that Blazblue story was solidly built upon these two characters. I'm not so sure if I can say the same thing about Jin, though.

[Volt]

I'm cool with Ragna stepping up to be a new Jubei or something. Playable and with some influence within the plot, but not enough as the protagonist. That'd be cool.

Not to mention that if you think about it, it wouldn't be that weird. Without getting on the CT/CS examples where there were some routes in which he didn't even appear, CP had him step down for a while when Jin, Noel and Makoto went to save Tsubaki.

He appeared and talked to Jin a bit, but he pretty much got as much screentime during that scene as Kagura. And it worked well. Depending on where the plot goes after Central Fiction, Ragna may not even need the focus.

 

Speaking of CP though, I've read some comments about how Tsubaki is messed up because everyone in Kagura's side could see that Ragna is pretty chill after working with him and stuff, but there's the catch.

Tsubaki has exactly one scene with him during the whole Chrono Phantasma Route.

When she goes to save Noel and Celica from Relius. And she displayed enough killing intent that Ragna actually had to tell her they were on the same side, resulting on her pulling an "enemy mine" situation.

Next thing she knows, Rags bodied Noel and Jin. Turns out our Blind Power of Seigi user actually didn't saw Ragna's character development, so of course she's pissed. Also, Power of Seigi wants him dead.

[1337 H@x0r]

Well...

23 minutes ago, ChainRevolver said:

I am actually hoping for both Ragna and most especially, Noel (this time, as Amaterasu) to make appearances on the next Blazblue games. I felt that Blazblue story was solidly built upon these two characters. I'm not so sure if I can say the same thing about Jin, though.

The OPFD needs to be rescued, that girl never asked to become Amaterasu in the first place, trying to blame her for every wrong thing that happened is misguided since she uses phenomenon intervention like a kid with cocaine (addicted without knowing it's bad).

Noel's ideal ending would be more or less like Es to be honest, being able to finally live a normal live with her loved ones wheter she is originally human or not.

The deal with SEIGI is probably that it represents Logic and it's constatly at odds things outside it's grasp. Jin and other SEIGI characters along history are reality's response to the Boundary trying to screw it's rules and control destiny through time manipulation.

It is likely that SEIGI preceeded Amaterasu and is what normally would keep the world existing without observation, hence Jin wants to blow up all that magic crap to where it came from.

 

The most ideal ending for the series in general would be Celica willingly becoming Amaterasu's new user while Ragna protects her for the rest of eternity to keep his promise, the reasons for that is mainy because Celica is a Chronophantasma existing outside of logic (her actual self is still dead) and doomed to expire once time starts flowing again not to mention she is the only person nice and sane enough to endure such burden.

Having an all loving goddess without a tiny bit of selfishness since her only object of interest (Ragna) would be with her for all eternity would solve most problems caused by an emotionally wrecked goddess trying to escape her own predictment, I mean, Celica is dumb kind enough to accept even a world full of suffering because she won't stop seeing the beauty in it so it would lead to much less PI spamming because things didn't go the way she wanted.

It's all good for Ragna too, saving the world, seeing his family moving past it's tragedy and finally laying his sword down to spend an eternity of peace besides someone who genuinely loves him.

[MaximusMurkimus]

Oh no, last thing we need is for the game to focus on Celica again. Still haven't forgiven her for being the sole motivation for Ragna's character development in CP.

But let's say she does decide to stuff herself into a divine coffin for all of eternity. Nine will still be utterly pissed and Izanami will still try and destroy the world. 

Saving the world at this point is a pointless effort. If you're not a playable character in CF, chances are you are a pile of seithr goop ala Arakune. The world also appears to be breaking down thanks to this excess of seithr, and the fighting from the remaining characters certainly isn't helping. There's a few scenarios that I feel can lead to a happy ending.

A. Someone gets into the Unit (probably Ragna) and resets everyone into a world with no seithr (therefore checkmating Izanami, Nu, and Relius) and no Ars Magus or Nox Nyctores (checkmating Nine and Hazama/Terumi). The new Unit also resets time back a few decades, leaving Ragna and most of the playable cast able to live peacefully.

B. Noel comes to terms with her true OPFD self and gets into the Unit, resets the timeline to where she doesn't exist; ensuring Ragna/Jin/Saya and most of the cast grow up in peace, just like in that hypothetical light novel scenario.

Either way, I don't see the current status of the world leading to a happy ending; there's just too much collateral damage that has already been inflicted.

 

And Toxin, side-note. Why are you getting so offended at other people's speculation while you constantly post things as fact or jump to unreasonable conclusions based on your own deduction? Not a fan of the imbalance, bro. 

[ChainRevolver]

For some reason, Celica emits an aura of being too accomodating to others, and this can lead to being manipulated by others, especially by Relius.

 

Maximus: I think Noel resetting the world to the time where she doesn't exist is too brutal. The Master Unit will be vacant and will put the world in great danger. I am even doubtful if she can do reset up to that extent. Just being able to return as Amaterasu while figuring out this world's mess will suffice.

 

On another note: Who is Tager's final boss in Act 3? What about Makoto, Relius, and Flat...er...Platinum?

 

 

 

[BlazGearRegalia]

Say, I wanna bring up a few things:

 

1) Something I'm confused about, are Tsubaki and Izayoi separate entities in CF? From the arcade acts, it seems like both have been split apart, and if so: How!?

 

2) Trinity is has her own body again, right? I must ask, is she capable of doing anything? I know I sound silly, but assuming Platinum is still wielding Muchōrin, how will Trinity be able to help?

 

3) Shall we assume Kokopuffs and Mama Nine are doomed to kill each other? Unless Celica and Jubei [or someone else] step in, I have a bad feeling those two are gonna slaughter each other.

 

4) Litchi's still after Arakune/Roy right? Tell me someone's gonna stop her.