Central Fiction Arcade Plot Discussion (spoilers)

[ChainRevolver]

4 hours ago, Kenji Harima said:

 

In speculation who will die I am very afraid that will be our "Queen of Rose" who sacrificed her luxury life.

 

 

This is Rachel, right?

I initially thought that she had just lost her observing powers, but from few arcade runs, her existence seems to be...ceasing? :O

 

On a side note, I found something minute, but still interesting about our Noellers...

From CP story mode, ep. 4

Kagura: Noel, babe... Did you know that the light that emanates from something beautiful can cause a person to lose themselves?

Noel: Huh?

Kagura: That is...your eyes...Please, don't take your gaze off me. I wanna lost in them.

 

1. Who is goddess of the sun and universe, whose name was derived from the phrase 'shining in heaven'?

2. Apparently, if you refer a statement to a person, you will use 'someone' and not 'something', right? At first glance, it might just be a simple grammatical error, but I think the usage of 'something' was deliberate. Obviously, Kagura is referring to Noel when he said 'something beautiful', right?

3. The 'your eyes' statement is debateable since Noel is really 'the eye'. But... Try connecting that with Kagura's first statement.

 

What do you peepz think?

[BlazGearRegalia]

51 minutes ago, Fenris said:

Geez, some of you guys sure take up a lot of unnecessary room in your posts. lol Three sentences shouldn't fill a space the size of one of Ogiga's novels.

On topic, though: I have a gut feeling that the only characters that are not going to make it (i.e., die) are the ones that should never have existed to begin with. Hakumen, Nu, Lambda, and a couple others come to mind. The information thus far suggests the BB world might very well start over from scratch at least one last time by the end of the plot. And chances are it's going to return to a time or a "reality" in which the aforesaid characters never existed, which would be akin to their "dying for good" in a sense. Although, given Mori's track record, you never know what ass-pulls are in store. Hell, the current reality might even be "Madoka-fied" in such a way that characters like Nu and Lambda are 'reborn' as normal human girls with normal lives. We shall see.

Trust me, the posts are only gonna get more nutty long.

 

Heh, Madoka-fied, clever...

 

12 minutes ago, Yoshirocks92 said:

I hope that Noel gets her happy ending considering what she's going though especially with this game, she deceives to at least get a happy ending.

 

We all do, Yoshi, we all do!

 

3 minutes ago, ChainRevolver said:

This is Rachel, right?

I initially thought that she had just lost her observing powers, but from few arcade runs, her existence seems to be...ceasing? :O

 

On a side note, I found something minute, but still interesting about our Noellers...

From CP story mode, ep. 4

Kagura: Noel, babe... Did you know that the light that emanates from something beautiful can cause a person to lose themselves?

Noel: Huh?

Kagura: That is...your eyes...Please, don't take your gaze off me. I wanna lost in them.

 

1. Who is goddess of the sun and universe, whose name was derived from the phrase 'shining in heaven'?

2. Apparently, if you refer a statement to a person, you will use 'someone' and not 'something', right? At first glance, it might just be a simple grammatical error, but I think the usage of 'something' was deliberate.

3. The 'your eyes' statement is debateable since Noel is really 'the eye'. But... Try connecting that with Kagura's first statement.

 

What you peepz, think?

Oh trust me, our motherly vampire is beginning to not only lose her strength, but she is bound to die if she keeps intervening.

 

As for that little convo between Kagura & Noel:

 

1) I have no clue. [Someone else will probably have the answer]

 

2 and 3) Hmm, I think I might be getting something out of it, but I'm not sure where your following with this... Mind elaborating?

[ChainRevolver]

Try watching Chronophantasma Story and go to Episode 4. This is where Noel, Makoto and Tager were put behind bars, but soon freed and met a perverted, flirty, and tipsy Kagura. Kokonoe also made her appearance  here and gave Noel and Makoto their new dresses. It's one hell of an episode as the comical antics of the characters here are top notch...and that includes Tager. :P

I don't think I need to elaborate items 2 and 3, but I'll try.

Poor Rachel. So she sacrificed her powers in a bid to stop Terumi's plans, huh? What if she did not involved herself directly beyond planning, will the result deviates?

[Volt]

17 minutes ago, ChainRevolver said:

This is Rachel, right?

I initially thought that she had just lost her observing powers, but from few arcade runs, her existence seems to be...ceasing? :O

 

On a side note, I found something minute, but still interesting about our Noellers...

From CP story mode, ep. 4

Kagura: Noel, babe... Did you know that the light that emanates from something beautiful can cause a person to lose themselves?

Noel: Huh?

Kagura: That is...your eyes...Please, don't take your gaze off me. I wanna lost in them.

 

1. Who is goddess of the sun and universe, whose name was derived from the phrase 'shining in heaven'?

2. Apparently, if you refer a statement to a person, you will use 'someone' and not 'something', right? At first glance, it might just be a simple grammatical error, but I think the usage of 'something' was deliberate. Obviously, Kagura is referring to Noel when he said 'something beautiful', right?

3. The 'your eyes' statement is debateable since Noel is really 'the eye'. But... Try connecting that with Kagura's first statement.

 

What do you peepz think?

I think he was trying to score some points. He quoted her poem right after, and he got Squirrel-Powered by Makoto. (Maybe that's the trace of Power of Seigi Relius was talking about...) Seriously, this is not a random foreshadowing like Tager's comment on Izayoi back in CS.

 

Also, since everyone seems to be talking about who's going to die for real... Half of the cast has a pile of death flags. And no one actually managed to stay dead. So my guess? Not even one. If I had to bet on someone, either Terumi or Relius, and even so, I'd give a 50% chance at best.

[BlazGearRegalia]

Say, the thought just occurred to me: How are we gonna handle Azrael? The bastard's got godlike power without his limiter [he still has his limiter on, right?] and I doubt he can be stopped through normal means. Anyone got a guess?

[Volt]

13 minutes ago, BlazGearRegalia said:

Say, the thought just occurred to me: How are we gonna handle Azrael? The bastard's got godlike power without his limiter [he still has his limiter on, right?] and I doubt he can be stopped through normal means. Anyone got a guess?

Drop him near the Black Beast in Es' Stage. Two birds. one stone.

[ChainRevolver]

5 minutes ago, Volt said:

Drop him near the Black Beast in Es' Stage. Two birds. one stone.

Volt: I like your suggestion. :P

[Volt]

7 minutes ago, ChainRevolver said:

Blazgear: bear with my explanation for now. This is what a sleepy person can do best. Hehe.

For no. 2, you'll refer a person as 'someone' and not 'something', right? Now, if Kokonoe said in this game that Noel is the core, then it is probable that that 'something' refers to the Master Unit itself. Yep, I meant the satellite look-alike, which Noel supposedly wields. Of course, that 'satellite' is a non-living object, right? That 'satellite' is what Amaterasu uses to observe the whole BB world, of cpurse, Kagura included.

 

Dude, take a nap. Do you refer to someone's eyes as someone or something? He also said right after "That is, your eyes..." He just wanted to get Muzzle Flittered.

[Luminos564]

1 hour ago, Volt said:

Drop him near the Black Beast in Es' Stage. Two birds. one stone.

Bonus points: that's exactly what the crazy S.O.B wanted in the first place. But if they don't kill each other off, like the ongoing deadlock between the Orks and the Tyranids back on planet Orrok, the people that aren't yet involved will have to deal with the victor .

[Ogiga99]

2 hours ago, Fenris said:

Geez, some of you guys sure take up a lot of unnecessary room in your posts. lol Three sentences shouldn't fill a space the size of one of Ogiga's novels.

Lol, yeah I probably do put too much thought into this, and this post will be no different, but that's not gonna change since I need to enjoy it while it lasts. Once the console version is released I am gone until I play the english version.

 

There is a little more to scrapping the idea of Tsubaki being a lesbian than just Mori not being able to write yuri. Tsubaki was supposed to be in love with Noel but he realized he couldn't make that work with her role in the plot (most likely the part about her going cray-cray in CS) so he made her Jinsexual instead. Makoto was actually created to fill the yuri gap left by this. More being unable to write yuri actually shines through more here since Makoto is bi (kissed Mai but is heavily implied to have had a one-night with Kagura) and has every fetish under the sun (shotas, being unable to tell if Platinum is a trap, giant robots etc.) as opposed to a full-on lesbian. His inability to handle yuri, not necessarily offensively but coming off as merely fanservicey, is shown in the other two lesbian characters, Shiori and Elise. They both just have attraction to one girl who doesn't reciprocate and loudly proclaim their love at every opportunity (which is similar to how Mori described what Tsubaki would have been like) so I'm glad we didn't get this for Tsubaki.

 

1 hour ago, BlazGearRegalia said:

Say, the thought just occurred to me: How are we gonna handle Azrael? The bastard's got godlike power without his limiter [he still has his limiter on, right?] and I doubt he can be stopped through normal means. Anyone got a guess?

He still has his limiter. If anything can kill him there are two possibilities I can think of at the moment. One is Time Killer, which kills all the time the target has left before their death, even seemingly immortal characters. Even if he has immortality of the "never ages" variety (he does believe he can continue to fight the Black Beast for all eternity) he would still be considered to have a time where he ceases to exist if it is possible for him to be destroyed or "end" in any way and he doesn't have an out like Terumi (Self-Observation to keep acknowledging his existence) or Izanami (has no time since she's "death"). The other possibility is Zero-Type Izayoi's Immortal Breaker, which implants the concept of death into the target's mind, forcing them to acknowledge their own demise as true. Again, he doesn't seem to have a loophole for this like Jin (Power of Order hax lets him reject the concept of death through sheer force of will) or Izanami (as "death" she permanently has the concept of death in her mind so it can't kill her). Other than that who knows. Not even the Black Beast seems surefire since he intends to be locked in a permanent battle with it till the end of time (and Azrael is already so ridiculous that him being able to punch a being outside of the Logic would hardly be a surprise).

 

On the topic of who’s going to die, there are two things to consider. The first is who is already dying. At the moment a LOT of characters have something or other that is slowly killing them. Ragna has the twofer of being corrupted by the Azure Grimoire and having his existence overwritten by Naoto, Rachel is becoming weaker to the point of killing herself by intervening, Litchi is corrupting herself by accessing the power of the Boundary, Arakune is either going to disappear or become a Black Beast, Hakumen’s fading, Platinum’s souls are unstable and going to disappear, Terumi has little time due to relying on Self-Observation (although he might have solved this with that cube) and Celica’s temporary soul is deteriorating. Many characters have death flags but these are the most blatant. Now I’m sure some of these can be averted (sorry Luna haters but I can’t see Platinum not being saved) but if I have to guess we’re gonna lose some of them. Personally, the people I see as most likely to go down are the characters who are “ghosts of the past.” A big point has been made about how they shouldn’t interfere and the future of the world should be left to the people currently living there. To me that puts Hakumen, Celica, Nine, Trinity at the top of the list (more iffy on Valkenhayn and Jubei since they’ve been around this whole time). Again, I cannot accept that there will be a true reset besides restoring the people of the Embryo because that goes against the theme Ragna and Rachel seem to be pushing, to accept what has already happened and instead work for a better future. This quote from his Act 3 ending illustrates this best.

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And now, those exaggerated guys known as the entitled is... “again” pushing... their desires on her.

And, for whose sake is that desire?

It's been all “denied” until now... Whose desire that is “relying upon others for attaining one's own objective” should be granted?

Is that only trying to run away from the “result”?

One doesn't like the choice one has made... and then deny the “world”...

… It can't be like this.

Nothing will progress... nothing will change....

Nothing will be “saved”.

Any kind of reset to change what has happened in the past, and especially to the Dark War characters, would not be right. Like Hakumen and Valkenhayn have said, this means accepting that there time has passed. This means Celica has to stay dead because she died in the Church, Hakumen should be able to pass his role as Hero onto Jin and Nine needs to realize she can’t blame god for a personal tragedy that really couldn’t be stopped (Celica needed to die for Ragna to gain the Azure Grimoire and eventually go back in time to set the events of the Dark War as Bloodedge which gave Celica a long life without being Lynchpin fuel in the first place).

Other characters I see dying are villains. In order for a conclusion of any kind evil plans need to be stopped and villains need to die. Izanami is definitely not making it out alive since Ragna MUST settle the issue with Saya, however it goes and the likely changing of Amaterasu could mean the destruction of her Drive. I also suspect Terumi is finally going down for really reals. Even though Chrono Phantasma played up his rivalry with Hakumen more, Ragna needs to be the one to stop Terumi, not for revenge but to actually protect and save people like he wants to (a reset won’t get rid of him). If this is the end of Ragna’s story I can actually see many of the plotlines closing to allow for at least a temporary peace (the other reason I can’t see a reset is because that might lead to a happily ever after even though this isn’t the end of the series). As for Relius I think he will die, but it will be because of Carl and not before he has succeeded in making Carl surpass him. Act 3 has shown that Carl has started down a villainous path and is becoming Relius Jr. Relius has encouraged this and I could see him sort of passing the torch to Carl.

Personally I think there will be some kind of timeskip after Central Fiction, I would say at least 10 years, to allow for new characters and have some of the characters change with age while other characters retire if they are truly going to have a happy ending. This would fit with what I said about Carl, with an older version of him becoming more of a villain than even Relius. Another pet idea from this theory is that one of if not the main character will be Jin and Tsubaki’s kid (we all know it’s going to happen, Jin is Tsubakisexual and Tsubaki is Jinsexual).

I guess for simplicity I’ll put all the characters into categories of whether or not, from my perspective, they’ll die.

• Almost certainly will die: Arakune (Black Beast), Terumi (needs to die for Ragna’s closure), Izanami (resolve Saya and Amaterasu conflicts)

• Probably will die: Hakumen (ghost of the past that needs to move on), Relius (villain to be defeated and ties into Carl’s future), Celica (ghost of the past that needs to move on and doesn’t belong) and Nine (ghost of the past that needs to move on).

• Probably won’t die: Tager (probably has to properly reunite with Bullet and might even return to being human), Nu (Ragna needs to save her like he promised), Lambda (no need to repeat that plot point), Bullet (probably has to properly reunite with Tager), Kokonoe (if the world is restored to pre-Embryo it’s going to need a lot of her science power to recover) and Hibiki (provided he can chill the hell out, Kagura will fall apart without him as a secretary).

• Almost certainly will live: Jin (too important to continuing story and possible new protagonist), Noel (promised happy ending), Tao (killing her off would make the ending way too dark), Bang (JUSTICE WILL NEVER DIE), Carl (either he saves Ada or he completes his turn to the dark side), Tsubaki (part of Noel’s happy ending and obviously gotta get that Jin booty J), Makoto (part of Noel’s happy ending), Platinum (probably by Luna and Sena becoming two people), Amane (we need at least one Onlooker to keep doing the job), Kagura (just to say screw you to the vision of him getting executed), Naoto (this is only the starting point of his story) and Es (Mori don’t you dare ruin her happy ending).

• Haven’t got a clue: Ragna (could become new god and continue to act as a protector like he wants, could get a happy ending reuniting and reconciling with Jin and Saya, could have to die since he is the enemy of the world, too many options), Rachel (has a particularly bad case of dying and is looking to sacrifice herself for Ragna’s sake, personally I hope Ragna can stop her from doing this and whatever happens to him she will be there with him), Litchi (is dying but not enough to be beyond saving, personally want Bang to save her and for her to move on from Roy), Hazama (him being his own villain is too much of a wild card at the moment so I could see him continuing on independently), Valkenhayn (technically a relic from a bygone era but I see no reason for him to die) and Azrael (he’s really hard to get a read on).

That's my view on this.

[BlazGearRegalia]

7 minutes ago, Luminos564 said:

Bonus points: that's exactly what the crazy S.O.B wanted in the first place. But if they don't kill each other off, like the ongoing deadlock between the Orks and the Tyranids back on planet Orrok, the people that aren't yet involved will have to deal with the victor .

I propose a solution if Azrael wins: GET AMANE AND ASTRAL HEAT THAT MAD DOG!!!!! [Then again, I have doubts that Mori will even let that happen...]

[1337 H@x0r]

Well...

3 minutes ago, Luminos564 said:

Bonus points: that's exactly what the crazy S.O.B wanted in the first place. But if they don't kill each other off, like the ongoing deadlock between the Orks and the Tyranids back on planet Orrok, the people that aren't yet involved will have to deal with the victor .

I don't think Azrael is strong enough to defeat the Black Beast by himself, it took all of humanity armed to the teeth with Ars Magus plus the Six Heroes and the nine Nox Nyctoris to put that things down and it was only a copy from the original.

In my opinion, Azrael's character goes well with dying in battle after bitting more than he can chew. He is a monster that defies logic by all standards but the Black Beast is the very negation of it.

That said, I can see Azrael as the Terumi of the new Six Heroes, an evil abomination that relishes in destruction but is pivotal in defeating the greater threat.

[Volt]

I'd like an ending where Azrael simply stops the whole Black Beast threat by fighting with it for all eternity without either one managing to break the stalemate. No need for answers, the dude gets out the way he got in, punching through logic. Not to mention that this is his plan already, so it's a happy ending for him anyway.

As, Ogiga said, speculation will basically cease to exist once the JP Console release drops, since everyone will hide under a rock until they can play the Story Mode in a language they can understand. I just wish the gap isn't too large this time.

[1337 H@x0r]

Well...

2 minutes ago, Volt said:

I'd like an ending where Azrael simply stops the whole Black Beast threat by fighting with it for all eternity without either one managing to break the stalemate. No need for answers, the dude gets out the way he got in, punching through logic. Not to mention that this is his plan already, so it's a happy ending for him anyway.

As, Ogiga said, speculation will basically cease to exist once the JP Console release drops, since everyone will hide under a rock until they can play the Story Mode in a language they can understand. I just wish the gap isn't too large this time.

Oh I am so going to enjoy posting poorly translated japanese spoilers out of this!

[Volt]

3 minutes ago, 1337 H@x0r said:

Well...

Oh I am so going to enjoy posting poorly translated japanese spoilers out of this!

Well...

You're free to post spoilers out of Es and Jubei's Arcade Mode. 

[Luminos564]

6 minutes ago, 1337 H@x0r said:

I don't think Azrael is strong enough to defeat the Black Beast by himself, it took all of humanity armed to the teeth with Ars Magus plus the Six Heroes and the nine Nox Nyctoris to put that things down and it was only a copy from the original.

I never said Azrael would win. I only said that fighting the Black Beast, an opponent he figures he could afford to go all out in order to enjoy himself, is exactly what he wanted all along. Everything he does revolves around fighting strong opponents. Whether he wins or loses, his entire focus is to have a good fight. Hell his entire Act II is about meeting Izanami and forging a pact with her because she promised him an "enemy", one worthy of his time. And then he one ups himself by trying to figure out how to get into the realm of the gods in order to kick their asses sideways.

Say what you will about his odds, but the man certainly seems to think he can do it. We've also not seen any evidence to the contrary aside from a brief pain when Tager grabbed one of his scars.

4 minutes ago, Volt said:

I'd like an ending where Azrael simply stops the whole Black Beast threat by fighting with it for all eternity without either one managing to break the stalemate. No need for answers, the dude gets out the way he got in, punching through logic. Not to mention that this is his plan already, so it's a happy ending for him anyway.

I'd like that. He'd go on to be the sole antagonist in this series without a clean loss record. It'd actually be all too perfect for a character like him so let's hope for that.

5 minutes ago, Volt said:

As, Ogiga said, speculation will basically cease to exist once the JP Console release drops, since everyone will hide under a rock until they can play the Story Mode in a language they can understand. I just wish the gap isn't too large this time.

Speak for yourself friend. I'm spoiling myself rotten when this game hits. If ASW is expecting me to sit still and avoid spoilers for months like they're known to take for a localization, not happening. They hyped me up with these Acts and I will not wait until I have my answers.

[MalikCustoms123]

I think Es' sword in CF is still the Murakumo due to 1. The sword bears slight resemblance to the one seen in Xblaze. 2. The Xblaze version is called Crystal "Sealing" blade: Murakumo and the sword Es has in CF has keyholes on it giving it a "locked" or "sealed" theme.

[Ogiga99]

1 hour ago, BlazGearRegalia said:

I propose a solution if Azrael wins: GET AMANE AND ASTRAL HEAT THAT MAD DOG!!!!! [Then again, I have doubts that Mori will even let that happen...]

That would be cool but there are two problems. One, Astral Heats are non-canon, with the exception of Naoto's (it seems to be the same move he used to save Raquel from Spinner Superior) and possibly Terumi's (he transforms into Dark Susano'o in the maybe-canon CPEX opening). Amane could have solved so many problems with that move (restore presumably good Kazuma, bring back Trinity, bring Valkenhayn back to the full power he had at his youth) and there is no way Pakumen or wind-up toy Tager are real. I'm also skeptical about Tager jumping all the way to the atmosphere or Kokonoe dropping a giant meteor that seems as strong as Take-Mikazuchi. Two, even if he could use it, who's to say chibi Azrael isn't just as ungodly powerful?

 

55 minutes ago, Luminos564 said:

Say what you will about his odds, but the man certainly seems to think he can do it. We've also not seen any evidence to the contrary aside from a brief pain when Tager grabbed one of his scars.

I'd like that. He'd go on to be the sole antagonist in this series without a clean loss record. It'd actually be all too perfect for a character like him so let's hope for that.

Speak for yourself friend. I'm spoiling myself rotten when this game hits. If ASW is expecting me to sit still and avoid spoilers for months like they're known to take for a localization, not happening. They hyped me up with these Acts and I will not wait until I have my answers.

You gotta admit human Tager must have been an insane badass to have been able to wound Azrael to the point the scar still hurts him, using only normal weapons or Ars Magus.

I'm assuming you aren't counting being sealed by Kokonoe twice as losses right?

I'd rather avoid any chance of misinformation and ruin the surprise of discovering it for myself. I was able to spoiler dodge and keep my hype contained for EIGHT MONTHS while waiting for Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep to get localized so even CP's wait was manageable in comparison (although my friend importing a copy so I could play it without touching spoilers might helped). Reading a summary and going "WHAT" when Es first cameoed in Act 2 just does not have nearly as much hype as shouting in glee when Bang saves the world with Kushinada's Lynchpin in full animated glory (and he "Beat A Nail With Your Hammer" no less).

 

41 minutes ago, MalikCustoms123 said:

I think Es' sword in CF is still the Murakumo due to 1. The sword bears slight resemblance to the one seen in Xblaze. 2. The Xblaze version is called Crystal "Sealing" blade: Murakumo and the sword Es has in CF has keyholes on it giving it a "locked" or "sealed" theme.

I think the fact that it's the "Crystal Sealing" Blade is probably what's important, because the Murakumo was able to easily damage or destroy a Union's Crystal, not the current lock theme. The Murakumo in XBlaze not having the the keyhole when it seems so important is a big reason I doubt they're the same. Es has those keyholes on her cufflinks as well so the symbol is more likely connected to her guarding the gate to the realm of the gods than the sword herself. I'm also confused as to why the Murakumo would change form at all, especially since Es has already mastered its XBlaze version. If it's not related to the Kusanagi like I theorize it's likely something much more powerful granted to her by the Azure so she could acts as the gate keeper.

 

28 minutes ago, BlazGearRegalia said:

Rachel - Ever since CP, I've been convinced that she's gonna die out on us. And as snobby and arrogant as she is, I say: Don't go, Madam Rachel. The world still needs your timeless wisdom.

Yeah, she might have the most death flags of all since she's already at the point where she can barely fight and is on the brink of death and was trying to sacrifice herself to stall Terumi in Act 3. Keeping her in the "I don't know" section is probably just be wishful thinking on my part. The only other hanging issue is that we need an explanation for her appearing in Bloodedge Experience before she dies. Also it's totally not related to me being a rabid RagnaXRachel shipper who doesn't want to have Ragna's life suck even more than it already does by losing her.

 

On a completely different note, is anyone else annoyed that there has been little to no instances of Naoto commenting on other character's life force due to his Hunter's Eye? Knowing how close certain characters are to death or how unnatural some are based on their values (does Rachel have no value like in BE, what would Amane, Izanami or Azrael look like etc.) would provide some very interesting insight into things.

[BlazGearRegalia]

28 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said:

That would be cool but there are two problems. One, Astral Heats are non-canon, with the exception of Naoto's (it seems to be the same move he used to save Raquel from Spinner Superior) and possibly Terumi's (he transforms into Dark Susano'o in the maybe-canon CPEX opening). Amane could have solved so many problems with that move (restore presumably good Kazuma, bring back Trinity, bring Valkenhayn back to the full power he had at his youth) and there is no way Pakumen or wind-up toy Tager are real. I'm also skeptical about Tager jumping all the way to the atmosphere or Kokonoe dropping a giant meteor that seems as strong as Take-Mikazuchi. Two, even he could use it, who's to say chili Azrael isn't just as ungodly powerful?

Well, Amane's Astral Heat is implied to be able to reverse/alter the characters to the point of them being unborn, but crap, being non-canon, nevermind, so much for that plan...

 

28 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said:

Yeah, she might have the most death flags of all since she's already at the point where she can barely fight and is on the brink of death and was trying to sacrifice herself to stall Terumi in Act 3. Keeping her in the "I don't know" section is probably just be wishful thinking on my part. The only other hanging issue is that we need an explanation for her appearing in Bloodedge Experience before she dies. Also it's totally not related to me being a rabid RagnaXRachel shipper who doesn't want to have Ragna's life suck even more than it already does by losing her.

Heh, for the longest, I keep thinking RagnaxRachel will be a thing at one point. We've definitely seen some hidden love from Rachel. Ragna... As I said in a previous post, is kinda hard to figure out... But, it's not impossible!

 

28 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said:

On a completely different note, is anyone else annoyed that there has been little to no instances of Naoto commenting on other character's life force due to his Hunter's Eye? Knowing how close certain characters are to death or how unnatural some are based on their values (does Rachel have no value like in BE, what would Amane, Izanami or Azrael look like etc.) would provide some very interesting insight into things.

I nearly forgot about Naoto's ability to read people's life value. And that I think about it, it's rather irritating that he hasn't been doing it. Either he's too busy ready to fight, or ASW doesn't want us to piece things together...

[Chaoschao222]

Reminder, this thread is for stuff we know and things we may be able to infer from things we know. This is not a thread for "I'd like it if x did y" or "wouldn't it be funny if a did b?"

[JustaMaskedFreak]

Just to ask here: Is confirmed that Es (and any character confirmed later to console) will have three acts in Arcade? Or just one?

[MaximusMurkimus]

I don't think Rachel would've preferring watching everyone getting rekt if it meant her existence was safe. Her life of luxury consisted of hundreds of years of watching the same people make the same mistakes over and over again; I'm sure she prefers getting involved to this.

 

That being said, what exactly is she doing to help out? Encouraging Ragna? Engaging Terumi? She did both of those in previous games without any risk of dying, so why has that changed now?

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12 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

I don't think Rachel would've preferring watching everyone getting rekt if it meant her existence was safe. Her life of luxury consisted of hundreds of years of watching the same people make the same mistakes over and over again; I'm sure she prefers getting involved to this.

 

That being said, what exactly is she doing to help out? Encouraging Ragna? Engaging Terumi? She did both of those in previous games without any risk of dying, so why has that changed now?

She said that if Izayoi and Jin failed to kill Ragna before his life expires then the former had to kill her to prevent something awful.

I guess that Rachel was the one observing Ragna to stop him from becoming the Black Beast and that killing her with Izayoi would make Ragna vanish into the boundary before he could destroy the world.

In Ragna's ending it's hinted that Amane offered to take her place to extend his time because he knew of this.

Rachel probably started to intervene directly because she felt Ragna's time shortening and if he doesn't accomplish what he must before the both of them die then survival for her is meaningless.

 

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1 hour ago, Ogiga99 said:

You gotta admit human Tager must have been an insane badass to have been able to wound Azrael to the point the scar still hurts him, using only normal weapons or Ars Magus.

Any being capable of putting up with Kokonoe and her orders is a certified badass in their own right. The fact Tager faced Azrael before and lived to tell the tale just amps it up. As for actually causing Azrael pain, perhaps there's a chink in his "armor" (so to speak)? All we know so far, is that Azrael has more or less not suffered a single injury despite tanking on a number of power hitters.

1 hour ago, Ogiga99 said:

I'm assuming you aren't counting being sealed by Kokonoe twice as losses right?

Considering that:

1. Neither seals hurt him in the long run, especially the first. Years of being frozen alive and he just shrugs it off like he took a nap.
2. Nor was the second seal able to keep him locked up for long. He just punched his way out.
3. Him getting sealed wasn't the result of a one-on-one fight that ended with him losing consciousness long enough for Kokonoe to seal him up again.

Yeah I don't count him being sealed as a "clean loss" (the term usually refers in an arena combat with just 2 fighters going at each other without any tricks). 
 

1 hour ago, Ogiga99 said:

I'd rather avoid any chance of misinformation and ruin the surprise of discovering it for myself. I was able to spoiler dodge and keep my hype contained for EIGHT MONTHS while waiting for Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep to get localized so even CP's wait was manageable in comparison (although my friend importing a copy so I could play it without touching spoilers might helped). Reading a summary and going "WHAT" when Es first cameoed in Act 2 just does not have nearly as much hype as shouting in glee when Bang saves the world with Kushinada's Lynchpin in full animated glory (and he "Beat A Nail With Your Hammer" no less).

Hey, whatever works for you man. I only spoke for myself. I actively go after spoilers because it builds my hype when I DO see it in action. For the record, I was only really talking about text summaries. Not the actual game itself. You gotta leave at least something for yourself when this thing hits after all.

52 minutes ago, JustaMaskedFreak said:

Just to ask here: Is confirmed that Es (and any character confirmed later to console) will have three acts in Arcade? Or just one?

Es is so far confirmed to only have 1 Arcade run. Zedar mentioned it in his post before. As for any others characters...couldn't rightly tell ya. We only have Es confirmed for console. Anything else is edging on the "no potential playable character discussion" rule.

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44 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

I don't think Rachel would've preferring watching everyone getting rekt if it meant her existence was safe. Her life of luxury consisted of hundreds of years of watching the same people make the same mistakes over and over again; I'm sure she prefers getting involved to this.

 

That being said, what exactly is she doing to help out? Encouraging Ragna? Engaging Terumi? She did both of those in previous games without any risk of dying, so why has that changed now?

Spamming Tsukuyomi. Even way back in CS, Takamagahara hinted at the drawbacks of activating Tsukuyomi in CT. Not to mention that in CP after using it to shield Ragna while sending him to Phase 0 she got weakened to the point of not being able to teleport. A few hints are fine but full plot exposition and directly jumping into the fray was way too much for Rachel.

Kinda makes people feel bad when they used to say: "Rachel doesn't explain anything! Would it kill her if she was a bit clearer!?" Turns out, yes. It would.