Central Fiction Arcade Plot Discussion (spoilers)

[Volt]

1 hour ago, kylehyde said:

So Noel calls Ragna brother in her win quote? Does that mean she already acknowledges that he is her brother? That's some pretty big development if you ask me. Even if it's just a win quote that's kind of a big deal.

Yeah, that's confusing me ever since CP. (When she almost got eaten by Arakune right after regaining Mu's powers) She ain't Saya, why would she call Ragna brother and why does she get flashbacks of Saya's memories?

[Toxin45]

I guess because of Mu 

[kylehyde]

34 minutes ago, Volt said:

Yeah, that's confusing me ever since CP. (When she almost got eaten by Arakune right after regaining Mu's powers) She ain't Saya, why would she call Ragna brother and why does she get flashbacks of Saya's memories?

I feel like it's because she's the closest clone to Saya, while Nu and Lambda aren't as complete.

[Kenji Harima]

6 hours ago, Toxin45 said:

has  a connection to him OPFD and that Ragna might be older than he looks.

I would rather say that not Ragna is older but his soul -> original owner of his soul might be related to person who soul OPFD gained.

In other words -> both of them were living in the past and known each other.

The first questions for this theory guesss are how Ragna's soul was extracted from the Azure (which contains a lot of them) then how did travel throught the Boundary and finally how did someone put it into his body?

The second if someone even was able to do it (probably Relius) why did something like this? Another experiment in purpose to brought OPFD's soul to the world?

And finally how they got to know about this possible relationship? Of course OPFD except of data about the Boundary, Azure etc. could provided a memories of soul which has possessed cause we know soul contains memories.

5 hours ago, Volt said:

why does she get flashbacks of Saya's memories?

I am really curious what will happen if Ragna tells his life story to Noel or something like this: "You know... From the beginning you have resembled my sister". After all he promised her that they will talk to each other.  A whole universe will explode probably.

However both of them got flashbacks at the end of CT thanks to Cauldron (Sheol Gate). First Noel had got got Mu memories (there were also her meetings with Rachel in this white room which is probably another realm of the Boundary) and after she looked at Ragna's back she got another. I would also like to say that she seems to be confuse not only wtih Saya memories (+ emotions brought by them) but her own feelings which have been development throught the game.

I am also interesting about Nu yandere-thing, she can compete in this with Jin. Oh.... and Nu seems to have Saya's memories too (her alternate ending in Calamity Trigger). Definitely Saya is one of the most mysterious person in the game.

[Vanagandr]

hours ago, Kenji Harima said:

I would rather say that not Ragna is older but his soul -> original owner of his soul might be related to person who soul OPFD gained.

In other words -> both of them were living in the past and known each other.

Be careful with those soul theory, eventually someone will mention Naoto and everything will explode (or implode) on itself.

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oops

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[Mirage of Void]

3 hours ago, Kenji Harima said:

Definitely Saya is one of the most mysterious person in the game.

I personally think Terumi is, we know almost nothing about where he came from or why he wants to do anything or why he started it all in the first place.

[Fenris]

5 hours ago, Kenji Harima said:

I would rather say that not Ragna is older but his soul -> original owner of his soul might be related to person who soul OPFD gained.

In other words -> both of them were living in the past and known each other.

The first questions for this theory guesss are how Ragna's soul was extracted from the Azure (which contains a lot of them) then how did travel throught the Boundary and finally how did someone put it into his body?

The second if someone even was able to do it (probably Relius) why did something like this? Another experiment in purpose to brought OPFD's soul to the world?

And finally how they got to know about this possible relationship? Of course OPFD except of data about the Boundary, Azure etc. could provided a memories of soul which has possessed cause we know soul contains memories.

It almost sounds as though your theory (guess) could imply that Ragna, Jin, and/or Saya's bodies were experimented on and/or created for the purpose of being vessels for the souls of others (although there might've been other reasons as well). I would add that they were probably meant to be vessels for the souls of some pretty powerful, unique, and/or not-so-random entities. These entities might somehow indeed be related--by simply having known each other, or were siblings, friends (etc.)in the distant past. And lastly, these souls would hypothetically have all been extracted from the boundary. Either that, or R, J, and S somehow gained souls while their bodies were being held up in that lab. (Doubtful, just throwing in other possibilities out there.) Now I can't seem to find a whole lot to support for this at all ATM. And that's not to say the clues aren't there; I mean, the amount of hints in this series is astounding. It's just, sometimes it's hard to tell if/what they are hinting at without hindsight. You might be onto something, though.

At this rate, Centralfiction is going to need an entire dedicated story arc to explain Ragna, Jin, and especially Saya's origins and everything pre-Church incident, including the lab they were saved from.

[Toxin45]

Relius stated that Saya was customized by him as vessel for Izanami so that imples that Saya and Jin were normal humans before while Ragna wasn't. They hinted that Ragna might not even be a natural born human just something that took on a human form based on jin and Saya. Heck I wouldn't be surprised that he is not even their actual brother.

[Fenris]

33 minutes ago, Toxin45 said:

Relius stated that Saya was customized by him as vessel for Izanami so that imples that Saya and Jin were normal humans before while Ragna wasn't. They hinted that Ragna might not even be a natural born human just something that took on a human form based on jin and Saya. Heck I wouldn't be surprised that he is not even their actual brother.

I think you mean that implies they were normal humans. Saya was said to have had remarkably high armagus aptitudes, which might imply something off about her. This is probably, if not stated somewhere, to be the reason as to why Relius took interest in her. The only enhancements she might've had were probably just to make her body strong enough to put up with her own ability (I don't think a frail little girl could put up with that, even in the BB universe) and, like you said, Izanami. Not to mention this was said to have happened some time AFTER the whole "saved from a lab event," which is still largely a mystery. In other words, she might've had just as odd a 'birth' as Ragna. I am more inclined to believe that Jin was the only 'normal' one, though, since no strange or otherworldly things have been hinted about his 'birth' as far as I know. I mean, he may not have been entirely 'normal' either but not as odd a case as Ragna and Saya are hinted to be. The game seems to make his power of order abilities seem godlike, though, so that could mean something. I dunno.

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Something odd came to me earlier: I wonder if manifested drives like Izanami resemble their original drive users at all. If so, then wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that Izanami might resemble "the girl" to some degree? Now, a glimpse of "the girl" was shown in which she appeared to have blonde hair, but that could've been a sort of 'placeholder' used so as not to spoil her true appearance--sort of like the glimpse of Es during Naoto's acts.

[Kenji Harima]

1 hour ago, Fenris said:

Now, a glimpse of "the girl" was shown in which she appeared to have blonde hair,

Do you mean "crucified" girl or might another glimpse? It's a look of the Prime Field Device: an artificial "girl",  a mindless android. Everythings changed after "it" had gained a soul. However it doesn't look so "mechanical" like I used to think.

Unfortunately we haven't got any hints about "The Girl's" look. It's an interesting question but it depends how much "Drive" resemblances an original owner of the soul and about that we don't have (any?) informations. Just that Drive it's the manifestation of the Soul.

What we know that Relius has an ability to see "shape of the soul" so probably he customized Saya's body and changed Saya's look for better compatibility between vessel (Saya) and owner of the vessel (Izanami) like in the Kazuma/Hazama/Terumi case. I was guessing that her look might be a purpose mystification for NOL and their citizens like: "People! The Emperor is from Amanohokosaka too, so everything it's fine. Just forget about previous leader".

Apart from your question I think that Mori made intentionally Izanami's look similiar to Saya Terumi and Azure Shrine Maiden or any representant of Amanohokosaka Clan.

Why? it's the easiest way to confuse all fandom.

[Fenris]

21 minutes ago, Kenji Harima said:

Do you mean "crucified" girl or might another glimpse? It's a look of the Prime Field Device: an artificial "girl",  a mindless android. Everythings changed after "it" had gained a soul.

Bingo. The crucified girl is shown to have what appears to be blonde hair, but I suspect that is just a basic placeholder image to avoid spoilers or something like that.

23 minutes ago, Kenji Harima said:

[Relius] customized Saya's body and changed Saya's look for better compatibility between vessel (Saya) and owner of the vessel (Izanami) like in the Kazuma/Hazama/Terumi case. I was guessing that her look might be a purpose mystification for NOL and their citizens like: "People! The Emperor is from Amanohokosaka too, so everything it's fine. Just forget about previous leader".

Actually I think that Mori made intentionally Izanami's look similiar to Saya Terumi and Azure Shrine Maiden or any representant of Amanohokosaka Clan.

Why? it's the easiest way to confuse all fandom.

You and I think alike. I had the same line of thought while I was typing the second paragraph in my last post, but I decided to leave it out because reasons. However, my thoughts are a tad different insofar as I thought that perhaps Izanami resembled her drive user and/or its soul, which might explain part of Saya's appearance after the possession. I suspected Saya's enhancement only went so far is making her "doll-like" and strengthening her in various ways, and the Amanohokosaka-like traits were influenced by Izanami herself. I really, REALLY like your theory, though, especially the last few sentences. You're probably right.

[BlazGearRegalia]

9 hours ago, Mirage of Void said:

I personally think Terumi is, we know almost nothing about where he came from or why he wants to do anything or why he started it all in the first place.

Actually, the why got answered. If you would turn your attention to this:

On 4/26/2016 at 0:03 PM, Luminos564 said:

That's simple enough to explain. Think of him as you would the Joker from Batman, in the sense that both have an extremely warped idea about the nature of their worlds. The difference is that Terumi trades "big, happy smiles during the times of chaos" for "despair during the times of chaos" instead. He ultimately believes the world rotten and full of lies, something which he loathes, and strives to bring the world to its proper course through causing untold amount of grief, sadness and despair. Ironically, for a guy who claims to not tolerate lies, he's not the most honest of individuals, but considering his actions, I'd imagine hypocrisy is on the lower end of his crimes.

 

 

Hope that answers your question on his reason for raising hell. We don't know where he came from or why he started all of this, although I'd like to imagine he had to lose something pretty important to him to make him go so far off his rockers that he can do any of this with a smile a mile wide. [And a laugh so crazy, he would impress Ragyo Kiryuin]

[MaximusMurkimus]

I wouldn't be surprised if Mori cheesed us once again using Noel to explain Saya. "Hurr durr the reason why Noel has all these memories of Saya is because Saya's soul was transferred to her so feel free to tear up Izanami since your sister isn't in her anymore lol". Would be the easiest explanation but I'd like to see Ragna really try to fix his family the hard way. Maybe Izanami will end up pacified by the end of CF and ripe for an inevitable harem with her new brother?

I think the idea of she looking like an Amanohokosaka to avoid suspicion would make sense for her appearance but it simply wouldn't work. The Ikaruga war was pretty public and there wasn't any reason for a civil war in the family, and most people didn't even see Izanami outside of high-ranking NOL member, who would simply either be behind her like Terumi and Relius or not, like Kagura. Plus she just went "lol sure I quit here you go Homura" so she really wasn't interested in the role to begin with. If anything, her ability to force Ragna into Black Beast mode would give her some connections to the Azure Shrine Maiden, who got cozy with the Black Beast to seal it away.

[Fenris]

10 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

I think the idea of she looking like an Amanohokosaka to avoid suspicion would make sense for her appearance but it simply wouldn't work. The Ikaruga war was pretty public and there wasn't any reason for a civil war in the family, and most people didn't even see Izanami outside of high-ranking NOL member, who would simply either be behind her like Terumi and Relius or not, like Kagura. Plus she just went "lol sure I quit here you go Homura" so she really wasn't interested in the role to begin with.

Gasp... Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that. The Imperator's identity was known to only a very few people. Welp.

[BlazGearRegalia]

50 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Mori cheesed us once again using Noel to explain Saya. "Hurr durr the reason why Noel has all these memories of Saya is because Saya's soul was transferred to her so feel free to tear up Izanami since your sister isn't in her anymore lol". Would be the easiest explanation but I'd like to see Ragna really try to fix his family the hard way. Maybe Izanami will end up pacified by the end of CF and ripe for an inevitable harem with her new brother?

I think the idea of she looking like an Amanohokosaka to avoid suspicion would make sense for her appearance but it simply wouldn't work. The Ikaruga war was pretty public and there wasn't any reason for a civil war in the family, and most people didn't even see Izanami outside of high-ranking NOL member, who would simply either be behind her like Terumi and Relius or not, like Kagura. Plus she just went "lol sure I quit here you go Homura" so she really wasn't interested in the role to begin with. If anything, her ability to force Ragna into Black Beast mode would give her some connections to the Azure Shrine Maiden, who got cozy with the Black Beast to seal it away.

Oh please, Mori wouldn't go THAT far with Noellers... Would he? Given how things are, Ragna will probably have to fix his family the hard way.

 

We have a brother who use to be a sadistic yandere until now in CF, where he became Hakumen 2.0, a sister who's body has been modified by Mr. "Everything is a Fascinating Specimen that I must condone in an Experiment" and soul is trapped with a death goddess who is the drive of a girl who wants a normal life, a clone of the sister who slings guns and obsesses over pandas, a clone of the sister who fears of her "HATE" mode, a clone of the sister who is obsessed with becoming one with her senpai and destroying everything [and also has some pretty good sexual innuendos, minus the stabby stab parts], and a clone of the sister who wants to protect her senpai.

The people I am referring to in respective order: Jin, Saya, Noel, Mu, Nu, and Lambda. Am I missing anyone? Oh yeah, and then there's the foster mother who became deeply infatuated with her future adopted son. [Chronophantasma Celica]

 

Ragna's got some serious fixing to do.

 

The Imperator is the biggest mystery to the general public, LOL!

[Toxin45]

Also ragna has decided to protect the girl in amateratsu or was now so I guess.

[1337 H@x0r]

Well...

13 hours ago, BlazGearRegalia said:

Oh please, Mori wouldn't go THAT far with Noellers... Would he? Given how things are, Ragna will probably have to fix his family the hard way.

 

We have a brother who use to be a sadistic yandere until now in CF, where he became Hakumen 2.0, a sister who's body has been modified by Mr. "Everything is a Fascinating Specimen that I must condone in an Experiment" and soul is trapped with a death goddess who is the drive of a girl who wants a normal life, a clone of the sister who slings guns and obsesses over pandas, a clone of the sister who fears of her "HATE" mode, a clone of the sister who is obsessed with becoming one with her senpai and destroying everything [and also has some pretty good sexual innuendos, minus the stabby stab parts], and a clone of the sister who wants to protect her senpai.

The people I am referring to in respective order: Jin, Saya, Noel, Mu, Nu, and Lambda. Am I missing anyone? Oh yeah, and then there's the foster mother who became deeply infatuated with her future adopted son. [Chronophantasma Celica]

 

Ragna's got some serious fixing to do.

 

The Imperator is the biggest mystery to the general public, LOL!

Blood related or not, having so many family members out for your crotch outside a h-game would drive any anime character insane. Maybe Ragna just wants to die a virgin to spare any possible offspring from dealing with such unwanted harem.

Seriously though, if Ragna ever decides to get cozy before kicking the bucket it better be Rachel because everything else is just too awkward.

I know I said I like his relationship with Celica but I see them on complete celibate terms and since her focus shifted to saving ElsaNine from her siscon outburst of world destruction I don't see romance blooming past platonic admiration and mutual support.

Also, don't worry about Ragna getting more unwanted girls in his harem, that gag reel spoiler showed Ragna with the Spectacle of Aphrodite dragging all the man to him.

[BlazGearRegalia]

35 minutes ago, 1337 H@x0r said:

Well...

Blood related or not, having so many family members out for your crotch outside a h-game would drive any anime character insane. Maybe Ragna just wants to die a virgin to spare any possible offspring from dealing with such unwanted harem.

Seriously though, if Ragna ever decides to get cozy before kicking the bucket it better be Rachel because everything else is just too awkward.

I know I said I like his relationship with Celica but I see them on complete celibate terms and since her focus shifted to saving ElsaNine from her siscon outburst of world destruction I don't see romance blooming past platonic admiration and mutual support.

Also, don't worry about Ragna getting more unwanted girls in his harem, that gag reel spoiler showed Ragna with the Spectacle of Aphrodite dragging all the man to him.

I'm not worried about Ragna's harem. [For all I care, he could immediately become Nine's masochist pet, Makoto's platonic friend, or be gay for Amane] I'm worried about if his family will be able to recover from their nightmare of trying to kill each other. Personally, I see Rachel as both a love interest and a mother figure, but then again, Ragna's never shown any personal interest in anyone, hell, I think he doesn't want get close to anyone after losing Saya and Jin coming after his head.

 

 

2 minutes ago, churchblue said:

What if Noel turns out to be Es's daughter? It's a good twist.

Actually, that would be just flat out ridiculous, even for BlazBlue standards. And Noellers is already so many things, I don't think we need her becoming another thing, otherwise, she might as well be everything in BlazBlue.

[Toxin45]

Well what happen to raquel in the blazblue world? Was she mentioned?

[Volt]

3 minutes ago, Toxin45 said:

Well what happen to raquel in the blazblue world? Was she mentioned?

No, only BEE's Raquel was mentioned, but considering she went to the Boundary... 

[Ogiga99]

I think we should stop all the shipping talk. It's getting out of hand and derailing the thread.

[Toxin45]

So do we ever know who Mu fought in her stage 7 in act III?

[ChainRevolver]

10 hours ago, Toxin45 said:

So do we ever know who Mu fought in her stage 7 in act III?

Maybe...Izanami???

 

I'm wondering who's Tager's final boss. 

[Yoshirocks92]

On 5/3/2016 at 8:01 AM, ChainRevolver said:

Maybe...Izanami???

 

I'm wondering who's Tager's final boss. 

I'm probably going to guess Noel was Tager's Act III boss.

[ChainRevolver]

Yoshirocks: seems like it. I'm wondering why isn't she Ragna, Izayoi and Hibiki's final boss.

 

Oh, we also don't have Platinum's final boss, too. I also assumed that Valkenhayn's final boss is Amane.