BlazBlue Setting Material Collection Information

[Jourdal]

@circ, Well they never quite say but i assume green is his natural color since the red eye is on the side where the azure and what not is, though i think the MC mentioned being bitten did that to his eye.

[Black Onslaught]

They were confirmed as " biological " brothers and to an extension -- Saya as their biological sister.

Although considering they are " man-made " that means they all came from the same egg or whatever, I don't know. I skipped Sex Ed in high school, the female teacher wasn't hot enough for me to get into it.

In any case Ragna, Saya, and Jin were all "born" originally with " blonde hair and green eyes ".

From the Church Incident the trauma turned Ragna's hair white, and his other eye changed color in part to Rachel turning him half-vampire. Something happened with Saya to change both her hair color and eye color, it's unknown at this point. Jin is the only one who fully retains his hair and eye color.

Noel Vermillion, the "perfect" Saya replica and Murakumo Unit retains this trait as well, causing Ragna and Jin to comment on her uncanny likeness.

[Blade]

As long as Jin has a brother complex, Ragna is his brother. I think that speaks volumes.

[smooshman]

They were confirmed as " biological " brothers and to an extension -- Saya as their biological sister.

Although considering they are " man-made " that means they all came from the same egg or whatever, I don't know. I skipped Sex Ed in high school, the female teacher wasn't hot enough for me to get into it.

if that's true.... than Mori failed biology forever. I would imagine they were born of 3 exact recreations of the same egg.... ironically.

[Black Onslaught]

I JUST SAID I DIDN'T TAKE SEX ED, STOP MAKING ME FEEL EVEN WORSE SMOOSH

Just calling someone "nii~san" isn't qualifications for brotherhood.

If that were the case if Ky called Slayer " father " then we'd all be picking our heads off the ground.

The fact that they're man-made and regarded as biological siblings is interesting in itself, however.

[harmless kitten]

Same...egg...? LOL that's identical twins. Considering they're all green-eyed and blond, and Jin and Saya have similar facial structure, the signs heavily point to them all being biological siblings. But even if they aren't, psychologically, they're all still siblings. If the whole man-made bit is 100% true, then they could just come from the same stock.

Though personally, I will be very :| if Mori says they aren't biological siblings.

[Circuitous]

I'm already :| that they are.

[harmless kitten]

I'm sorry, it would just seem like a cop-out to me.

Hey, if the three siblings were the artificial humans spoken of in the Collection, the ones made from the Black Beast's DNA, does that mean Ragna is his own father/clone? And technically the father of his siblings?! 'Cause, uh, that's. wat. Damn timeloop shenanigans!

[Lou_Cypher]

Or you could say Ragna's (Bloodedge) the father, Noel's the mother.

Ragna, Jin, and Saya are the children.

And then it loops from there.

Yeah... probably not.

[sesame]

you know....

there's only meant to be 2 siblings.......

(back to the frigging legend)

Izanagi and Izanami....

So it seems like that would be "Ragna and Saya"

and how Jin comes in....

I wouldn't be surprised that Jin's even 'part' of Ragna's creation.....

and that can probably explain Jin's brother-complex too...

the game does also say that Jin's existence's because of Ragna in a sort of way..

but let's make Mori decide if they are 'actually' twins or anything....

(doudt they'll pull the 'they are not related' card, cus that one's usually only used to make something that's 'originally' incest 'legal' for 'canon pairing' reasons....

(for example, Onegai twins, and that thing what's it called? kiss x sis or smthing???....)

[HiagoX]

If anything, my guess is that Saya won't be biogically related to Jin and Ragna. That makes more sense to me and moreover, makes a Ragna/Noel or Ragna/Nu possible, like sesame said.

[Black Onslaught]

I'd actually see it as Ragna and Jin, and Saya's the " off one " or something.

Ragna can potentially become the "Protector of the Azure", or the "Destroyer of the World".

While Jin is the " World's Antibody " or the " World's Order ".

Saya's role has yet to be interpreted other than fan interpretations of her being " Izanami ".

I can't see that yet, the only mythological links related to Japanese Deities so far to me are Haku-men and Terumi.

Terumi is the " Susano'O " who was kicked out of the heavens for being a dick to Amaterasu ( Not wanting to be tied to the Master Unit ) and killing her servant, while Haku-men is the " Susano'O " who slayed the Yamata-no-Orochi ( Black Beast )and redeemed himself ( of his sins and crimes as Jin Kisaragi ).

[p-kun]

I'm on vacation so I don't have the book with me but about Jin and Ragna: Most of the time in the material collection, Jin is called Ragna's "Jitsu no otouto", or "real little brother" as if to emphasize that they are blood siblings. If I remember correctly, Saya does not get introduced as "real little sister" but only "little sister". Whether it is a foreshadowing, or if it is just the writing style, we don't know yet.

As for Ragna's hair and eye color. His eye color is natural jade (it's mentioned in Rachel's story). The red part is most likely from the azure, since Rachel didn't bit him in the story, but his eye turned red anyway.

As for Litchi, here are the snippets from Litchi's story from what I remember:

- She was hired by Kokonoe for her eastern medical knowledge. On her first day, she went to Kokonoe's lab/office but couldn't find her. Instead she met with the human Arakune. He introduced himself as Kokonoe's disciple. He was hired for his alchemy knowledge. He worked mostly in the lab next to Kokonoe's lab. Both hit it off really well. Litchi was really fond of him. She thought he was smart and kind. I am not sure how far their relationship went around this time.

- Kokonoe and Arakune fought quite a lot due Kokonoe not liking Arakune's obsession with studying boundary (I don't quite remember). Usually Tager stopped the fight, but one day Tager was on mission. Litchi tried to stop the fight, but Arakune yelled at her instead. He seemed to be really upset that she didn't help his side and said that she didn't understand him. I think their relationship became cold afterwards, I think they stopped talking. It was at least a month or possibly months after, Litchi realized that she had not seen him for days and thought it was weird a workaholic like him didn't come to the lab for days. She went to his home and found the blob.

That's from Litchi's story. I assume Litchi used to like him romantically but not anymore. I thought that if one quarrel was enough for them to stop speaking, it must not have been a deep relationship. I am not sure if Arakune is even romantically interested in her. I don't understand Arakune's story. His story is like a diary, and I'm not even sure if he's writing about Litchi, Kokonoe, or both.

[Almadiel]

I doubt Litchi would feel such a deep obligation to help him if they had not been close around the time of his transformation. My guess would be she feels guilt for leaving him alone over a few harsh words.

[Blade]

Well, my theory on Saya goes like dis:

She, like her siblings (yes siblings) Ragna and Jin are quite possibly all boundary contact mediums (artificially created humans meant to explore the boundary) but somehow came in contact with the Azure early on and became sentient. This is why the world outside Hierachical cities has little affect on Ragna himself, and Jin has an immunity to his Nox Nyctores.

Anyway, they are taken in by a church, as some means of trying to hide the fact they are not humans (meat puppets as Hazama likes to put it).

However, something regarding Saya's contact with the boundary causes her to become sick. It's quite possible that her sickness showed a huge spike of power on everyone's EADAP (such as how Ragna shows up as a blip with his Azure Grimoire). As such, the Library orders Hazama to come and ransack the place looking for this phenomenon.

Because of Jin's nature, he is easily manipulated by Hazama. Hazama being the sadist he is, lops off Ragna's arm to show how worthless his attempts at being human are. He takes Jin and Saya possibly to Sector 7 for research, while Jubei and Rachel find Ragna.

Saya seems to be heavily influenced by something in the boundary which causes her eyes to turn red (a possible sign of the Azure, similar to Ragna), and her hair to turn purple. Her "sickness" is probably something akin to her body trying to reject being taken over by "something", and as a result becoming the sworn enemy of the Master Unit, as well as being elected to become the Imperator of the NOL. Something prevents her from going into the boundary directly, so she creates a series of copies of herself (Murakumo) designed to be unnaffected by the Azure (notice Noel's eyes are normally green but only turn blue instead of red when she becomes Mu-12) but instead created to harness its destructive power.

As far as Noel's existence being that of one who inherits the "eyes of the azure", she is immortal, like Rachel, but also whenever various people physically touch her, she is given prophetic visions of the past and possibly the future of that person, this probably also has much to do with her status as a boundary contact medium, and also why Rachel told her not to "look" at Hazama.

So in essence you have two sides to the Azure...those who are changed by it (Saya, Arakune), and those who can control it (Ragna, Hazama, Nu, Noel), but there is a third side, and this probably relates to Jin being called the Anti-body. An existence that is a natural enemy to the Azure Grimoire, something immune to the affects of Ars Magus and quite possibly the true meaning of the word "boundary contact medium".

Anyway, that's my theory.

[Suzaku]

The books and profiles got to a pretty great effort to say Jin and Ragna are REALLY brothers and that Saya is their REAL little sister. They're probably also not just random orphans, considering that they are raised by Nine's sister and watched over by Jubei, in a church that conceals the remains of the Black Beast.

[Alpha to Omega]

As for Ragna's hair and eye color. His eye color is natural jade (it's mentioned in Rachel's story). The red part is most likely from the azure, since Rachel didn't bit him in the story, but his eye turned red anyway.

Doesn't Ragna's eye turn red before he gets the Azure? That was the impression I got from your summary of Rachel's story.

And Ragna was like possessed during the time, so he might not remember. Rachel drew magic circle at the beginning. The magic circle glowed in blue and then consumed Ragna or sth. But Ragna's condition actually worsened after that. And then a few hours later, Ragna woke up by himself (only the red eye open, I think), dragged himself using his left hand to some black boulder, touched it, and some kind of seal crumbled. And then Ragna was consumed by darkness.

[p-kun]

Doesn't Ragna's eye turn red before he gets the Azure? That was the impression I got from your summary of Rachel's story.

I mentioned in my summary that I didn't fully understand the story. I'm still waiting for sb with better Japanese to clarify/oppose my understanding. But if Rachel didn't bite him, there's no reason for his red eye to be the side effect from being turned a vampire. That leaves only one possible explanation, that the eye color is the side effect from the azure.

[Almadiel]

Its worth noting that Nu's right eye was scarred as well, though more severely. The connection with the Azure grimoire seems likely.

[harmless kitten]

Yeah, Nu's right eye is like....funky. If you look closely the sclera is black and has some weird swirls in it. It reminds me a lot of some official artwork where Ragna is using the Azure and his right eye is darkened, although not totally black.

[Hawka]

Then what was the point of Rachel biting Ragna in the first place? I was under the impression she did it in order to save his life when he was bleeding to death after his arm was loped off.

[harmless kitten]

Possible answer is that she never bit him except in the first loop. It was the Azure Grimoire that saved his life in all other timelines.

[Rageru]

Yeah, Nu's right eye is like....funky. If you look closely the sclera is black and has some weird swirls in it.

Thats a snake with many heads if my eyes didn't see it wrongly, & Nu eyes seems is blue originally on the character design.... May be she turned to red also been affected by Azure? just guessing....

[Beast of Fire]

The books and profiles got to a pretty great effort to say Jin and Ragna are REALLY brothers and that Saya is their REAL little sister. They're probably also not just random orphans, considering that they are raised by Nine's sister and watched over by Jubei, in a church that conceals the remains of the Black Beast.

After I read your statement, I must say I think they're the descendants of Bloodedge, the man who helped the heroes on the past. Just a guess...

[Almadiel]

Its been stated that Ragna the Bloodedge is merely a title of some sort, not his real name. In the story Jin even says "thats what you are called now right?".