p-kun Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 - Snip - The discussion you are addressing is from 1 month ago before CS was released. I think the topic is stale already. Sorry to bump this topic, but can we talk about the Litchi-Arakune relationship I pointed out a few pages before? The question is were they in relationship or not before? And I'm asking in the context of the information provided in their short stories in the material collection (just making sure that spoilers from CS don't spill here).
Almadiel Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Complain to Toshimichi. This information is official whether you like it or not.
harmless kitten Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Dude, you may think it's tacked on but it's canon, the bios are even at the beginning of every character's arcade mode. They're as canon as everything else unless Arcsys retcons or declares them noncanon. We don't even know where all the Hierarchical cities are. For all we know there may be one on top of Scafell Pike in England, or one in the Penines. Shit, it's implied in the Material Collection that the Hierarchical Cities are not where everyone lives anyway, and even mentions in the timeline that there were more than a hundred Cities "of all sizes" built, although there's only 23 HIERARCHICAL Cities. Hell, we even see this ingame--the church Ragna and his siblings lived at sure didn't look like it was part of a City. Does it factor into the story? No, not really. BlazBlue is largely nationality-less, cultural lines seem to have blurred tremendously, and the government is a worldwide one. Ikaruga was really the only "country" that existed, before they were crushed by the NOL anyway. Is it nice to have? Hell yes. I, personally, appreciate the information. It's better than having the blood types available anyway. Fuck, you might as well complain about the horribly innacurate weights we're given.
Black Onslaught Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Ikaruga wasn't a country, just a "group" of hierarchical cities. Also, some of the hierarchical cities were presumably built near the remains of destroyed nations which adds to some characters being born in England or China. Although it does look like the locations were added before the game's story was completed, imo. It still fits pretty good.
harmless kitten Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Which is why I put it in quotation marks. Technically speaking, Ikaruga may be a Federation of five Cities but it kind of felt like a country, at least to me, especially in Bang's story mode.
Re4L14124c Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 @harmlesskitten: if it's not relevant why are you adamant about it? Geeze, people with issues. And it's quite clear that they're tacked on because none of the other characters, including the new upcoming ones, have a nationality. If you still want to go your way, though, go ahead, it's not that big of a deal. I just don't get how you can get so flustered telling me that this is part of canon, because quite obviously it's just random crap just like the bloodtype that clearly has no effect on the story, yet somehow you guys managed to talk pages about it, even speculating from it. And again, I guess you guys really don't read when you think someone's wrong, I already pointed out that it's completely crazy to build a hierarchial city in England or Shanghai because neither is really that elevated. Hey, but you never know, right? arcsysworks might just pull something out of my ass and prove me wrong. (well that's a bit harsh, nevermind)
Almadiel Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 You have already been proven wrong by Arc System Works. You are simply choosing your own speculation over fact.
Re4L14124c Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 You have already been proven wrong by Arc System Works. You are simply choosing your own speculation over fact. Hey, I'm just pointing stuff out, if you guys don't want to actually think about the stuff and rather make up bad speculations using information that you believe is really, really good, then hey, I'm not going to stop you, it's not like I can forcibly pull our your power cord over the internet, or for that matter, too much effort at any rate. At least with this it's just using my hands.
Blade Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Honestly that's like saying a GG character isn't canonical just because he doesn't have a PWAB profile. It's absurd.
Jourdal Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 I.....actually agree with blade, you don't choose whats canon from none canon if it's stated it's stated there's nothing you can do until it's retconned. It just seemed to me you were made to eat your words but pride wouldn't let you.
Black Onslaught Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Jourdal you better be repping Jin for CS. >[ Also, yeah. They kinda got you on this one Re-bro. If you would've just gave it off as your own opinion rather than adamantly denying the actual facts..
Re4L14124c Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Honestly that's like saying a GG character isn't canonical just because he doesn't have a PWAB profile. It's absurd. I don't think you understand how logic works. When did I say anything about a character being not canonical because they lack something? I only said that a particular piece of the information isn't needed or rather is mis-informative. For that matter, I don't even get how your analogy works. I.....actually agree with blade, you don't choose whats canon from none canon if it's stated it's stated there's nothing you can do until it's retconned. It just seemed to me you were made to eat your words but pride wouldn't let you. Hey, again, I was just pointing out that those info are probably..well, not something that should be looked at because it doesn't fit with the other data of the same field. And lol pride on a forum. Sure, I'll eat my words, it's not the first time, here or elsewhere; still doesn't change what I want to say, now does it? Again, I only said what I wanted to say, and I still don't think I'm wrong in saying that it's tacked-on. That point aside, what pride is there to talk about? I don't really contribute like some of the members, I'm not a mod, and I certainly have no rep to maintain. I'm just bothered, that's all. @Black Onslaught: You tell me that it doesn't look weird, then. Why only Jin, Noel, and Litchi? Why not just list them from their cities? If we don't know where Ragna was from, why the hell do we know where Jin was born from? Why are they being taken care of by a non-relative, then? For that matter, Noel isn't even human, so was the Hierarchial city she was in (that was destroyed) somehow in o'Swiss? Why not just list the city, then? It's not that I'm not wiling to back off, but it's just that people seem exceptionally good at ignoring certain obvious problems, for some reason. But hey, I'm not trying to piss people off, so I'm just not going to say anything more.
Blade Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 The thing is, if it's information, it's information, if the source is official there's no reason to doubt it, whether it was released before or after the original information was given even if it's additive. The reason I said my example is that most characters have a normal profile in GG while some do not and don't have an extensive amount of information. Does that change the fact that they're canonical, not at all. Raven has next to zero information to go on, yet he's still an established character. Some information only just appeared recently because it was necessary for consistency, does that make added information illegitimate. Not if the source is legitimate. I'm not arguing your reason for the argument, I'm just saying that's how characters tend to develop as a game's plot progresses.
pktazn Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 You can believe it's tacked on if you want, I personally don't care. I honestly think it's just for the players so they can understand why the character probably looks the way they do. Or it could be a secret like they came from our world through the boundary DUN DUN DUNNNNN!!! But in all seriousness it could have just been an error as well but it's an official error so that's why people are defending it lol. Why only Jin, Noel, and Litchi? Why not just list them from their cities? If we don't know where Ragna was from, why the hell do we know where Jin was born from? Why are they being taken care of by a non-relative, then? For that matter, Noel isn't even human, so was the Hierarchial city she was in (that was destroyed) somehow in o'Swiss? Why not just list the city, then? It's not that I'm not wiling to back off, but it's just that people seem exceptionally good at ignoring certain obvious problems, for some reason. But hey, I'm not trying to piss people off, so I'm just not going to say anything more. Probably because those questions and their answers are not overall relevant to the story (yet?). Last I checked no one really, really gave a damn about where everyone came from since it's stated that the world was destroyed during the Dark War. It was just something to talk about I believe. Sorry to bump this topic, but can we talk about the Litchi-Arakune relationship I pointed out a few pages before? The question is were they in relationship or not before? And I'm asking in the context of the information provided in their short stories in the material collection (just making sure that spoilers from CS don't spill here). IIRC no they were not in any kind of romantic relationship before he turned into a blob if that's what you're asking. I believe she was his assistant or co-worker in Sector 7.
STenSatsu Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 I can't imagine they did not have a fairly serious relationship before blobification considering how far she is going to change him back. Was it stated anywhere official their status pre-blob? Also, funny thought, what if Litchi is only so into changing Arakune back so that she can find out what he found out in the Boundary? Would be a fucking funny plot twist imo.
pktazn Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 From what p-kun wrote apparently he yelled at her and then she avoided him for months because of that and during that time he turned into that beautiful blob we all know and love/hate. I think that maybe she feels guilty that she wasn't able to help or maybe even stop him before he transformed since she was working with him (I think) and she knew what he was doing. That would be an interesting plot twist if I had to be honest but Litchi doesn't seem to be that type of person.
Black Onslaught Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 @ Re..( I'mma just call you Real-talk from now on ) The reason Jin has a location and that Ragna doesn't is that the bios were released alongside the Arcade release, if I remember right. Until CT's story mode, there was no evidence that Jin was Ragna's biological brother or that Haku-men was Jin. So the only plausible explanation is that it was added to create "mystery " around Ragna's origins. Also, keep in mind that with the speculation that Ragna, Jin and Saya were "man-made " it could mean that Jin was "born" in Europe.
Yukikaze Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Also, keep in mind that with the speculation that Ragna, Jin and Saya were "man-made " it could mean that Jin was "born" in Europe. Is that heavily hinted at in CS then? suppose thats a good lead for the next game, finding out who and why exactly they were created.
Black Onslaught Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 If anything at all, it seems Juubei and Terumi know. From how Terumi words it, it seems Juubei told Ragna about it, and Terumi mocked Ragna about his and Noel's origins. It would also make sense giving that the three's parents are not mentioned, and they're watched over by Sister ( Nine's sister, and presumably Juubei's sister-in-law ).
Circuitous Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 there was no evidence that Jin was Ragna's biological brother There's evidence for that bullshit now?
smooshman Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 There's evidence for that bullshit now? I believe the Ragna's word, Jin's word and the word of god is enough evidence.... until it's retconned so that they aren't biological.
Circuitous Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 They were orphans in the same house/church/whatever it was for years, that's close enough to brotherhood. There's no evidence for biological relations that I'm aware of.
Jourdal Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Isn't blond kids with green eyes enought proof lol? that's usually a sign of being biologically related lol.
Circuitous Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Outside of fanart, where have you seen Jin and Ragna together as children without some sort of weird effect going on? I understand Ragna was blond as a child, and his hair turned white later on. But did his eyes change colors, as well?
smooshman Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Outside of fanart, where have you seen Jin and Ragna together as children without some sort of weird effect going on? I understand Ragna was blond as a child, and his hair turned white later on. But did his eyes change colors, as well? I believe his eye changed do to becoming part vampire.... as far as pictures....... there's a few of Ragna and Saya..... but none of either with Jin. Jin had his wierd crazy moment when talking to V-13, where he says brother's looking for her. Beyond that.... well.... not much.
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