Final Ultima Posted December 17, 2009 Posted December 17, 2009 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9113909 - Sasuga Inoue Ashi ga Nagai (Ragna) vs Inoue (Tsubaki), MSY (Ragna) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9114001 - Yuri (Carl) vs Shuuta (Ragna), 2nd match Edit: New videos. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9124139 - kaqn (Ragna) vs Dennou (Jin) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9124864 - kaqn (Ragna) vs Zakiyama (Hazama)
Blade Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 I think I saw the kaqn VS Zakiyama one on Youtube the other day.
Final Ultima Posted December 23, 2009 Posted December 23, 2009 Yeah, it's there. Note the opening post. I don't make always new posts when there's a YouTube mirror available, but I'll still edit the first post.
Zero000 Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Combo videos Final Sky by Tetsu - Nico Nico Douga or YouTube I got bored and wanted to learn some Ragna combos. So I just transcribed this combo vid and copy pasted it here. I think there are a few things missing, but you get the point of the combo. RAGNA CS FINAL SKY http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9054109 1. Hakumen Fthrow>Astral 2. Lambda BThrow>Astral 3. carl Counter hit 5B>5C>3C>5D>Carnage Scissors>dashup 6A>hjc>JC>JD>jc>JC>5C>BE>dash 5D>22C 4. Arakune counter JC>5B>3C>5D>DC>6A>hjc>JC>JD>jc>JD>BE>dash 5D>22C>RAPID>3C>22C 5.Tager Counter HF>3C>22C>dash 5B>6A>hjc>JC>JD>jc>JD>BE>Dash 5d>22c 6. Litchi crouching 6B>2C>6C>GH> Not strict delay>dash 5B>6A>hjc>JC>JD>jc>JC>BE>5D>CS 7. Nu 2b>3c>22c>dash5b>6a>5c>hjc>JC>JD>jc>JC>BE>5d>22c 8. Taokaka Counter 3c>22c>5b>5d>DC>6a>hjc>JC>JD>jc>JC>BE>5d>22c 9. Hakumen bThrow>BK>2x3 Jdloops>jd>jd>BE>6d>JD>JD>DID 10. Bang Fthrow>BK>5d (1 hit)>GH delay>hj>JD>JD>6D>(maybe a JD whiff)>land>HJ>JD>JD>BE>6D>JD(i think)>DID 11. Lambda Airthrow>GH>late delay>5c>JC>JD>jc>JC>BE>dash 5d>CS 12. Litchi corner air throw>BE>5d>DC>6a>HJC>JC>JD>jc>JD>BE>5d>DID 13. Tsubaki 5b>2c>3c>5d>DC>5c>HJC>JC>JD>jc>JC>BE>6A>BE>dash 5D>22c 14. Hazama counter TK GH no followup>dash 5b>5D(1hit)>GH>delay followup>5c>HJC>JC>JD>jc>JC>BE>5d>CS 15. Arakune JA hitconfirm lol in to BE 16. Litchi Air to Air JC>JD>HJC>JA>JB>jc>JB>BE>5D>DID 17. Tager BE>5a>5b>5c>HF>followup 18. Hazama Counter 2c>3c>22c>dash 5b>3c>22c>dash 5b>3c>22c>dash 5b>3c>22c>RAPID>3c>22c>RAPID>3c>22c>5b 19. Hakumen counter 5B>2C>3C>BK>5c>hjc>JD>JD>6D>JD (whiff)>hjc>JD>JD>hjc>JD>jc>JD>BE>5D>22c>5B 20. Tager Counter hit 2c>3c>Deadspike>5b>5d>DC>5D>DC>5b>CS hold D>22c 21. Jin BK>Counter 2C>6D>JD>6D>JD(whiff)>[hjc>JD>JD]x3>hjc>JD>jc>JD>BE>6D>JD>Vid cuts off 22. Jin Counter 2c>3c>22C>dash 5b>2C>6c>DC>5D>22c>dash 5B>6A>hjc>JC>JD>jc>JC>BE>5D>22C> 23. Hazama Counter hit CID (1 hit)>5b>6a>hjc>JC>JD>jc>JD>BE>5D>Astral Notes: Damn Hazama is fat. Ragna didn't even need to dash up and do 5b and the 6a even hit after that. Other Notes: What is the difference with doing JC>JD>jc>JD>BE, JC>JD>jc>JC>BE, and is JC>JD>jc>JC>JD>BE possible.
Final Ultima Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9200792 - R-1 (Noel) vs kaqn (Ragna) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9200966 - Shadow (Bang) vs kaqn (Ragna) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9201447 - Zakiyama (Hazama) vs kaqn (Ragna) Other Notes: What is the difference with doing JC>JD>jc>JD>BE, JC>JD>jc>JC>BE, and is JC>JD>jc>JC>JD>BE possible.I'm pretty sure it's a case of j.C resulting in more damage, but requiring slightly finickier positioning.
AFRICA Posted December 29, 2009 Posted December 29, 2009 Youtube version of Final Sky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afDH9a5Xy8c Hell yeah. what.... Dustloop is back.... awesome!
Final Ultima Posted December 29, 2009 Posted December 29, 2009 If you mean the Blood Kain j.D spam, he had that in Calamity Trigger too, it was just a tad more restrained off most setups. You could manage about 9-10 j.Ds off something simple though. Fatal Counter, Belial Edge and the changes made to untechable time in Continuum Shift enable more reps off of better setups.
Final Ultima Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 New Ko-Hatsu matches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrgzUGMHil8 - Jager (Rachel), tenchi (Haku-Men) vs Ribaia (Ragna), Abeshi (Ragna) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC-r5oX3J4w - Lucky (Litchi), Baattle (Litchi) vs Ribaia (Ragna), Abeshi (Ragna)
-Ladon- Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 interesting corner rapid the standard color ragna's using in the video, don't think i've managed to see something as effective off HF(2) in the corner from other ragnas unless I missed it somewhere in the horde of kaqn vids
Final Ultima Posted January 1, 2010 Posted January 1, 2010 Probably not. This is more or less the first recorded case of a Ragna actively going for two Belial Edges in almost every combo.
-Ladon- Posted January 1, 2010 Posted January 1, 2010 It feels like he's going for more Leech effect if that's what his game is trying to center around rather than standard 22c ends, other than that I can't come up with any good reasons since 22c is pretty much the best reset option, although I did notice the belial wiff-dash grab, that's kind've a nifty gimmick if you want to undershoot the hitbox and throw people off into some solid damage.
AFRICA Posted January 1, 2010 Posted January 1, 2010 It feels like he's going for more Leech effect if that's what his game is trying to center around rather than standard 22c ends, other than that I can't come up with any good reasons since 22c is pretty much the best reset option, although I did notice the belial wiff-dash grab, that's kind've a nifty gimmick if you want to undershoot the hitbox and throw people off into some solid damage. yeah he is definitively going for more leech... What I am interested about is, does the overall combo does more damage or not? ending with 22c is very good for reset but if you are going for damage and leech? would that combo work better? I haven't seen kaqn do this combo yet, so unless he doesn't know about doing the Belial Edges twice, I then there should be a reason why he isn't! but in that case what would that reason be?
-Ladon- Posted January 1, 2010 Posted January 1, 2010 kaqn goes for the 4.4k combo most of the time that i've seen I don't know the math off the top of my head but it's something in the area of sacrificing 1k damage for 800-1k health(ish?) so I can level with why he's doing it against litchi since there's such a high chance of taking a poke or a high damage combo. or I'm overthinking this and he's doing an inferior combo just to do it @@
Final Ultima Posted January 1, 2010 Posted January 1, 2010 I don't think damage is being sacrificed for health drain, because honestly outside of Blood Kain there's basically no point in focusing on health drain whatsoever. I just think that those combos ended the way they did because there either wasn't the opportunity to land a 3C or he didn't think to do it. I'm pretty sure if you get the knock down, you can do a double Belial Edge combo into 22C anyway.
ryokoalways Posted January 1, 2010 Posted January 1, 2010 Those combos have higher meter return rate, which may be necessary considering both Ragna players like to gamble, a lot. I'm still going with "I like double belial edge so I do it" as first choice though.
AFRICA Posted January 1, 2010 Posted January 1, 2010 Those combos have higher meter return rate, which may be necessary considering both Ragna players like to gamble, a lot. I'm still going with "I like double belial edge so I do it" as first choice though. yeah I agree but it would have been cool to end the combo with 5D then 22C instead of the 5D and then DP->Knock down. 22C just offers a better reset while with DP-> knock down ragna is pretty much still landing while the opponent can roll back or forward.
-Ladon- Posted January 2, 2010 Posted January 2, 2010 well he wasn't even knocking them down in the rapid, it was just HF(2)-rc-6D for whatever reason, never scoring a knockdown lol
Final Ultima Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Ragna can be found in pretty much every video from the latest Gamechariot G3 pick-up. Solid performance by both Y.T and Naru, except for that Naru vs Zakiyama fight... showing us precisely how not to fight a Hazama by eating as many Jayoku Houtenjins as humanly possible.
ryokoalways Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Naru's problem was that he was mashing out automatic block strings, which is asking to get reversaled. I think he just doesn't know how to play that match-up correctly yet.
Final Ultima Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Yeah, that's a fair assessment. Probably doesn't help that Zakiyama is some kind of IBing demi-god. Oh yeah, by any chance could you tell me the name of that brown Tager, as well as whatever alias Dora's using this time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qh3EoFc8dE
ryokoalways Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Zakiyama spars against kaqn, so Zakiyama knows the match-up against Ragna. The match was kind of funny because Zakiyama started out fairly cautious (the correct way to play), until he realized Naru was just mashing shit out after he blocked 2 strings, and then proceeded to reversal everything after IB (the wrong way to play, but in this case Naru was asking for it). Tager is Akigetsu I believe. I don't know dora's name in romanji.
Final Ultima Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 To be fair, Zakiyama only busted out the IB reversal like twice (well he only really needed to do it twice) and he did it in situations where it was pretty obvious he would land it, if not Fatal Counter with it (IB'd 2B = most anti-reversal options are gone, blocked j.C = Ragna's gonna stick his foot out, always). If anything he just started dicking around with his Ds a lot and it was those shenanigans that confused Naru the most. That said, Naru should've twigged on to the whole IBing thing and not do stuff like throw out another normal after an IB'd 5B and 2B (he basically did the only thing that could've made that situation worse and hand him a free Fatal Counter). You'd think he'd react to his opponent constantly flashing white while blocking. Seriously, when did Zakiyama go from just IBing what's necessary to IBing everything that's ever lived? Oh, and thanks for the romanisation.
Safetyman Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 Ragna can be found in pretty much every video from the latest Gamechariot G3 pick-up. I don't know the name of him but there was a Ragna player in there that just loved Rapid canceling Carnage Scissors..
AFRICA Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 man we should have a "video discussion thread" for this (ragna vids)... I came here hoping to see some kaqn goodies but NNOOO we are talking about how somebody got owned instead! Not to offend anybody, just saying...
Final Ultima Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 This thread is for both posting and discussion, it's just that discussion doesn't seem to happen as often as I'd like.
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