Tofu Warrior Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 After Gadget Finger, if I want to punish her back dash with a 360+A, what's the timing like? Do I need to delay the 360+A? What cues should I be looking for that lets me know I need to release A?
Maho Posted December 24, 2009 Posted December 24, 2009 Do not delay it for that, you'll need to hold for only a few frames magnetism is very strong here.
Maho Posted December 28, 2009 Posted December 28, 2009 Spend like 4 hours straight saturday night playing against a Lambda : - 360A to catch backdash needs really precise timing on the hold, you'll need to catch her with the maximum grab range, either that or the times i could get it the Lambda just screwed up and it's not guaranteed. - 360A to beat gravity, you have to delay quite a lot after gadget, so it will only work against this if you time it like that, anyway it's still decent damage and she'll have one option less for the next gadget that follows. You can see this in the last round of the most recent vid on my youtube account. - Gravity seems to have a quite slow startup, i did several times a blocked B sledge > 5A, he did gravity after the sledge but i was able to block it after the 5A. Punish options on this are pretty limited i think compared to most DPs, i could get 5C into combo, 4D doesn't CH so it's pretty useless, 360A (was magnetized) or 720C. - If she does 5/4DD into parser on block, from mid distance you can 360A/720C the parser before it hits, 720 works from closer obviously thanks to frame 0 invuln, this also works from quite close after her 6C. I couldn't get astral to work, got CHed the two times i tried, but well 720C does the work, anyway a decent player should stop using parser that way after you land this a few times but it still good to know. - Speaking of parser, if you happen to backdash a C one, it's a free 360B for you, most times you won't be able after a B one tough, i got it sometimes but not sure if it depends on timing or just that the Lambda screwed up. It's also nice if the Lambda tries parser A into grab, as her grab will whiff and you'll be able to 360B during the recovery. Thus use of this is IMO the best at the distance that you won't be able to 360A the parser and don't have heat ofr a 720C, it's also safer if she doesn't do the parser i think, but beware of being baited by her 236236D when she has meter though. - When you block a 5DD from mid distance, you can duck a few frames to make a 6D whiff (just be on guard for 4D), if you block that she'll get jumps cancel options but it whiffs that's a free spark combo for you. - If you get hit by gravity and want to burst, do it really fast before her recovery or wait untill she starts her combo, it's way too easy for her to see and block the burst otherwise. - Psychic 360B into a random Parser is so much lol ^^ Overall it was harder than the first time i played against that player, still far away from the CT matchup but i think i will have more problems in the future, i got away with many things i shoudn't have this time. The new burst mechanic is really good for her, she have a lot of options interesting for to use it so it's hard to bait, even with 3 primers you won't get an easy guard crush on her as she as he DP now. We also have a new thing going for us, the 4% heat per IB is really good to get more meter for blocking her swords.
ryokoalways Posted December 28, 2009 Posted December 28, 2009 I saw a tager punish act pulsr C with emerald twice on block (can't remember if it's IB) in a JP tourny recently. You may want to check if that's legit.
Leo7 Posted December 28, 2009 Posted December 28, 2009 I saw a tager punish act pulsr C with emerald twice on block (can't remember if it's IB) in a JP tourny recently. You may want to check if that's legit. I was able to punish act pulsar zwei twice on normal block with GETB in one Lambda match that I played, but I'm not sure if the Lambda player was just pushing buttons after the act pulsar.
ShinsoBEAM Posted December 29, 2009 Posted December 29, 2009 I saw a tager punish act pulsr C with emerald twice on block (can't remember if it's IB) in a JP tourny recently. You may want to check if that's legit. If 360B works.. 720C is faster so I mean it should also work.
ryokoalways Posted December 29, 2009 Posted December 29, 2009 If you are referring to maho's post, his is a psychic B buster against act pulsr, not a defensive punish B buster I believe. And I am not sure if the punish is legit because nu can backdash moves with 6F start-up (which means regular busters aren't going to work). Maybe act pulsr C is exactly -5F, maybe not.
Tofu Warrior Posted December 29, 2009 Posted December 29, 2009 What's Tager's most reliable back dash punish in this match up? 2D I guess? I saw Maho connect with 6C a few times, but I don't know if that's because the Lambda player messed up.
Maho Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 6C and 2D are about the same speed so they both can work, but those are pretty slow so it's risky, the difference is you can combo out of 6C. But if you ask for the best backdash punish in this matchup, it's spark of course. I tested how we can punish the C parser, 720 on normal block isn't guaranteed, on IB it is of course, and so is 360B.
Maho Posted January 4, 2010 Posted January 4, 2010 I re-checked yesterday with a friend, and i'm pretty sure 360A isn't guaranteed to catch her backdash after Gadget, 720 only does.
Tofu Warrior Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 I re-checked yesterday with a friend, and i'm pretty sure 360A isn't guaranteed to catch her backdash after Gadget, 720 only does. I came in here to ask about this again, because it was impossible for me to punish a back dash with 360+A. Glad to hear I wasn't just screwing up.
DoomieJ Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 I came in here to ask about this again, because it was impossible for me to punish a back dash with 360+A. Glad to hear I wasn't just screwing up. I wasn't able to pull this off either. edit:bad info
Mike Z Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 I have had L11 dodge everything except 720 after Gadget with a backdash. 6A included. :^( If you're hitting her, your local L11 isn't backdashing fast enough. Also after Gadget, if she has a gravity well, you should poke with 5A. It recovers fast enough for you to IB the hit and 360B her anyway.
SOVIET AFRO Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 What about the B version of her act Parser, any advise here or should i go on the same advise as the C version (very little experience, the L11 i play usually uses the C version and need a leg up when I G.e.t.b him one too many times off of that)
Manta Posted March 10, 2010 Posted March 10, 2010 Just grab her out of it, lol. Not all of us have cat-like reactions. I'd say block low and then have your fingers sitting over B+C in case she did the A version for a tick throw.
SOVIET AFRO Posted March 19, 2010 Posted March 19, 2010 Not all of us have cat-like reactions. I'd say block low and then have your fingers sitting over B+C in case she did the A version for a tick throw. The more you know... Thanks
L1F3 Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 /\-11 shouldn't even be doing Act Pulsar against Tager unless it's 236C when he's in the air [blocking the 6DDs or jumping over 214D/C] in hopes of either scoring a hit [air unblockable w/o barrier] or breaking a primer. If they 236A/B/C on the ground after a block string, you can normal grab her out of it if you feel that you don't want to risk messing up a 360/720 command. The only real time /\-11 should Act Pulsar is after a hit confirm lol Ie: DON'T RESPECT HER PULSARS!! Just beat them out, it makes them respect you >:D I main /\-11 and I get 360'd out my blockstring Pulsars all day by my friend, who mains Tager. ... Then again, he has the reaction skills of a god XD ~L1F3
zreb Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 Act Parsers are very unsafe on block, especially C. B Parser is a low. If you see a Lambda using these inappropriately (ie, not when you're in hitstun,) then you have already won. Chances are if they aren't using them correctly, then they aren't clever enough to slip in an A for a tick throw, but being ready for it is sound advice regardless.
Manta Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 Actually, the frame data says Act parser B is 0 on block and C is only -4. But a move that telegraphed is easily instablocked or 360'd, which is where its vulnerability really lies.
Overheat Posted August 27, 2010 Posted August 27, 2010 A common thing most Lambda's do are 3C > Parser. Lambda's only options after 3C are her Parsers, and 214A. If she point-blank 3C's, your safest bet is to 360. If the Lambda is smart, she'll 214A your 360.
zreb Posted August 28, 2010 Posted August 28, 2010 Actually, the frame data says Act parser B is 0 on block and C is only -4. But a move that telegraphed is easily instablocked or 360'd, which is where its vulnerability really lies. Yes, apparently I was slightly misinformed... I could've sworn I'd seen at least C called unsafe in another thread somewhere. i bad
A.X.I.S. Posted August 28, 2010 Posted August 28, 2010 A common thing most Lambda's do are 3C > Parser. Lambda's only options after 3C are her Parsers, and 214A. If she point-blank 3C's, your safest bet is to 360. If the Lambda is smart, she'll 214A your 360. we can 360A through all your parsers...yes even C parser...it just takes timing.
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