Poizonous Flour Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 I mean, come on... where else are we going to talk about what we think of the new game. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The thing about Litchi is, once you get past her rough learning curve in CT. She is extremely good, probably even solid upper-mid. She has the ability to combo off of any random hit or CH if you are close enough. She has an everlasting projectile. And just like Jin, she has answers to every situation including air rush ins. She deals at least 2K with every single combo she lands. She might be slow, but she flows extremely well in CT once you understand how she works, and has a lot of 50/50s with more range than other characters. The only thing keeping her from high tier was the lack of damage... maxing out at 4K. In CS, I'm just looking at the vids. It looks like they have made combos even easier and more guaranteed for her. The main reason Litchi was so intriguing to me is that she had a tendency to drop combos forcing you to have to think of a new way to keep that 50/50 beat down going. We had pretty low combo damage outside of the wall, usually only gets up to 2.5K at most. In CS, we have great range, great new moves, and have an average of 3.0K per combo no matter where we are in the stage. Also, her Riichi and Itsuu has improved, ShiShin has been lengthened, and we can rapid Tsubami. Litchi has become a lot more safe and deals more damage. So some distortion drives lost invincibility frames and damage, Litchi was never about her distortions anyway. She was all about combo opportunities, that has increased 2x in CS. Even with her distortions being nerfed, she is looking to be a high-tier character now just because of those combos alone. I really didn't want to see Litchi become another Nu. Right now, she is just looking way too good. I remember thinking Litchi was average when I first looked at her in CT, but that changed when I played her. If she looks high tier in the vids, just wait until we get our hands on the Litchi in CS. I am not going to drop Litchi, but man... I really don't want to face billions of bandwagoners either. (Reminds me of my Tekken days maining Lili, ugh...)
k4polo Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 Well if things go right. I think a few people will bandwagon her. But I don't think she will become the next Nu. Nu clearly dominated alot of characters in CT. From what I am seeing, Litchi doesn't completely dominate everyone. She looks strong though. Her damage look higher as you said. Tourney players may switch to her as she is a viable choice. She actually was a viable choice before though. Some characters got nerfed, some got buffed. Litchi player should be grateful that she got buffed. Look at the Rachel players nowadays. Ppl going to leave her off the bandwagon nowadays . Kinda sad how that happened. I really don't like any character to be terrible in a fighting game. Saying that, I am not too hype about CS. I want to play the game but I was way more excited for T6 or T5: DR.
Zenmetsu Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 What is this thread? D: She has the ability to combo off of any random hit or CH if you are close enough. Doesn't every character, barring Hakumen without meter and Tager? Also, this statement is misleading because she can't combo off random non-CH 2A/5A hits unless you count mashy-A's as a legitimate B&B. She also can't do anything off of 6B[m] non-CH no matter how close she is. And just like Jin, she has answers to every situation including air rush ins. She's not Jin. She deals at least 2K with every single combo she lands. Because 2k damage is amazing. She might be slow, but she flows extremely well in CT once you understand how she works What does this even mean...
Poizonous Flour Posted December 6, 2009 Author Posted December 6, 2009 Yeah, that is what happens when I don't read over my posts... "She might be slow, but she flows extremely well in CT once you understand how she works" -I meant her oki options allow you to continue damage after a combo has completed. She has a lot of 50/50's and cross up opportunities in CT. Oh, and... uhhh... I never said she was Jin. Her range is pretty effective vs. air assaults. You can use her range to negate her anti-air weakness, that is all. You could go... 6B[m] RC A ~ (if you are close enough) it is common knowledge we can't do a legit high damage combo off of non-CH A, but we still can mash A... I guess I'll just wait until CS comes to my area.
Lord Knight Posted December 6, 2009 Posted December 6, 2009 I wouldn't waste meter on that ever lololol
Ryd' Posted December 6, 2009 Posted December 6, 2009 She has a lot of 50/50's and cross up opportunities in CT. I don't know if I'd say she has a lot of 50/50s. 6A has a 22 frame startup, which is almost as long as the purple throw break window (27f), Chun has a 26f startup. Neither is impossible to react to. For reference, 50/50s in GG generally involve overheads with < 20f startup; and even some of those can be blocked on reaction (for example, most people learn to react to Testament's 6P; 17f startup). There's some shenanigans that can be done with an RC'd Chun if you're willing to gamble the meter for it, when you have Kokushi Musou as cover/distraction, etc.; but it's not that rare in my experience for people to easily block a lot of the mixup attempts once they know what to watch for. If her mixup was really that good, she wouldn't need to fish for counter hits so often =\
k4polo Posted December 8, 2009 Posted December 8, 2009 I don't know if I'd say she has a lot of 50/50s. 6A has a 22 frame startup' date=' which is almost as long as the purple throw break window (27f), Chun has a 26f startup. Neither is impossible to react to. For reference, 50/50s in GG generally involve overheads with < 20f startup; and even some of those can be blocked on reaction (for example, most people learn to react to Testament's 6P; 17f startup). There's some shenanigans that can be done with an RC'd Chun if you're willing to gamble the meter for it, when you have Kokushi Musou as cover/distraction, etc.; but it's not that rare in my experience for people to easily block a lot of the mixup attempts once they know what to watch for. If her mixup was really that good, she wouldn't need to fish for counter hits so often =\[/quote'] Yea I always felt Litchi is best to use at a medium range. Her attacks are slow but if you can space the opponent and pressure the opponent from a good range, you can do wonderful with her. I ran in to the problem of people interrupting my strings quite quickly. Up close she is kinda limited.
Poizonous Flour Posted December 8, 2009 Author Posted December 8, 2009 Wait, you guys don't use j.c without stick and j.b[m] for quick overheads? I can swear those are less than 20 frames startup. I hardly use 6A and Chun when you can do her jump moves so low to the ground. I had a lot of bad experiences with using Chun as a mixup. Without meter, that move is just... ack. If it weren't for RC, I probably would only use it for combos. Chun is pretty good for cross-up though. As for 6A, it is just too slow for practical use. Dunno how many times I do the move, and they end up in the middle between the stick and the hand. (WTH, why would they make a move like that :P) Even if I use D, the stick goes flying into wonderland while I eat a 3K beatdown...
geist Posted December 8, 2009 Posted December 8, 2009 Wait, you guys don't use j.c without stick and j.b[m] for quick overheads? I can swear those are less than 20 frames startup. I hardly use 6A and Chun when you can do her jump moves so low to the ground. I had a lot of bad experiences with using Chun as a mixup. Without meter, that move is just... ack. If it weren't for RC, I probably would only use it for combos. Chun is pretty good for cross-up though. As for 6A, it is just too slow for practical use. Dunno how many times I do the move, and they end up in the middle between the stick and the hand. (WTH, why would they make a move like that :P) Even if I use D, the stick goes flying into wonderland while I eat a 3K beatdown... IIRC j.C/B completely whiffs on every character cept tager if they're ducking (though did an lol fuzzy guard on him today with 13 orphans XD
k4polo Posted December 8, 2009 Posted December 8, 2009 I think Litchi will reach top to high tier. I generally like to make guesses even tho it is way to early. I like to take a stab at it. She got some buffs from what I see. Compared to the other characters, she actually goes up. If you were to put Litchi CS in CT. Should would probably barely reach high tier as rachel, arakune, and Nu are hard to overcome. Especially Arakune and Nu. But since all 3 got nerfed a bit(well with rachel they did overdo it.). She has a tendency to rise quite high and compete better with the previous top tiers. Also her Oki game is still very good but it seems in this game her Oki game is more magnified in CS as oppose to CT. I think it is because some other characters do not have a similiar type of overpowered moves. It is basically is like that she keeps her good options and most of her moves while some other characters got their options removed. Ragna and Bang seems kinda same as Litchi in this sense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wlirT7Ma4U If the Litchi player can apply pressure and space her attacks well then she can become quite dangerous. This factor is more apparent if you make this same comparison with Bang. If Bang CS was in CT, he would rise but he wouldn't rise that much. He would move to mid-mid probably. But in this game he rises as well as he is more buffed and he stands a good chance against the other characters who some got nerfed. A good example would be Bang vs Rachel in CT and Bang vs Rachel in CS. Vast different match-ups. These are only my opinions though from vids though. I just posting this here for fun I suppose. I hope i can find a good Tsubaki vid.
Diveman Posted December 8, 2009 Posted December 8, 2009 I was thinking, if litchi can combo j.b to j.c and again to j.c, couldnt that be a good way of ending staffless air combos? like: anything into JC, j.b j.b JC, j.b, j.c, j.b j.c.
STenSatsu Posted December 8, 2009 Posted December 8, 2009 TK chun is pretty safe on block. Feels faster as well. She is definately top-tier in CS. Not sure how that could even be questioned at this point. I don't think she's as dominating as CS top3 though. @K4: Check the 12/6 vid link and Mikado vids(think it is Inoue).
k4polo Posted December 8, 2009 Posted December 8, 2009 Feels faster as well. She is definately top-tier in CS. Not sure how that could even be questioned at this point. I don't think she's as dominating as CS top3 though. @K4: Check the 12/6 vid link and Mikado vids(think it is Inoue). I appreciate this. Also most people just call me "polo" You call me whatever though. Also i think Bang can challenge Litchi the most. She has got an reach advantage though so I would say it is in her favor. Tourney vids of BB:CS are gonna be very interesting as the game seems more balanced than CT. Except in this game, you have to exclude Rachel unfortunately for a more balanced game.
Jthan Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 She is definately top-tier in CS. Not sure how that could even be questioned at this point. because the game is barely a month old. I was thinking, if litchi can combo j.b to j.c and again to j.c, couldnt that be a good way of ending staffless air combos? like: anything into JC, j.b j.b JC, j.b, j.c, j.b j.c. no, you can get an extra jb before air comboing into rekkas, but even in the corner you'd be lucky to get an extra 2 hits using jc>jb, and it also depends greatly on the character you're going against
iSadClown Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 Ok, i was just wondering... I can't get that BnB in the other thread to work on anyone but Ragna so I was wondering if it would be smart to focus on a different approach instead of that? My fingers fail me at Haku Hatsu 624A > A > B the A never connects for me. Anyway would this be a good combo? its kinda weak... 5B[m] 5C[m](2) 6D[m](1) 426D~B 5B 5C 2C 6C 5C j.BC Haku Chun Hatsu. (41% heat) I refuse to go online untill i have a strategy guide for me worked out, lol. That combo rolls off my fingers, easily. Please be gentle i'm new here..
severin Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 because the game is barely a month old. That's funny. I seem to recall playing it since November. She's top. Deal.
Most Unknown Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 Ok, i was just wondering... I can't get that BnB in the other thread to work on anyone but Ragna so I was wondering if it would be smart to focus on a different approach instead of that? My fingers fail me at Haku Hatsu 624A > A > B the A never connects for me. Anyway would this be a good combo? its kinda weak... 5B[m] 5C[m](2) 6D[m](1) 426D~B 5B 5C 2C 6C 5C j.BC Haku Chun Hatsu. (41% heat) I refuse to go online untill i have a strategy guide for me worked out, lol. That combo rolls off my fingers, easily. Please be gentle i'm new here.. Shouldn't go online wit Litchi anyway...Lag makes her even harder to play...
Shining Aquas Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 >Pick up CT, play Litchi for a year >Don't ever play against anyone good cause they all live far away, online not so great >Learn the basic combos and counter hit stuffs, tsubame all day for damage >Having a good time. ---- >Pick up CS, play Litchi for a day >Holy what the fuck is going on, I don't even know how to play this game >None of my combos work anymore, start improvising >Win a matches with cheese combos, everybody die in about 3-4 of them, Litchi so fucking strong >Not sure how feel
Lord Knight Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 This thread was necro'd for real? Sayonara dear friends
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