A.X.I.S. Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 And way to fucking ruin things, LK. We decided not to post the tier list when we were talking about it on IRC because of the potential idiocy it could cause. this is not gonna end well I can see it. edit: soulheartstud I just IB 360 her strings, her damage is so bad that i don't even respect her...it feels like a 6-4 that way, since you can punish her if she tries to pressure me and I out damage her all day.
SolheartStud Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 @ A.X.I.S Poor poor Tsubaki....Only thing that annoys me about her, is her combos that make you go flying all the way back to the other side of the screen...
Spirit Juice Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Formatted it for you, LK. :D Using the /code tag is hard, yo.
ZhePrime Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 That list should be taken with a fistful of salt.
FunkyP Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 That list should be taken with a fistful of salt. Aside from the wild Hazama, i like it over the current one posted from last century. Makes the game look more balanced if half the cast is upper high tier
Zeromegaman Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 It definitely seems much more reasonable this time around. I completely agree with the current list
TheGreatReptar Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 It definitely seems much more reasonable this time around. I completely agree with the current list Would anyone want to explain to me why might Jin be placed above Lambda? That's my only thing with the new tier list.
Zeromegaman Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Jin Pressure game on Lambda is serious. If Jin plays Footsies its night night.
Antihippy Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 That's not how tier lists work. :/ Also, Jin and lambda matchup I feel is pretty even. Just a slightly easier time dealing with her zoning especially with meter. Jin can play footsies but lambda has better ones. edit: also, don't like that tier list. I'd prefer to get one based on revised matchups instead of just scores. I mean, same person who gave hazama and ragna a 3 gave tao a 5.
ZhePrime Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Aside from the wild Hazama, i like it over the current one posted from last century. Makes the game look more balanced if half the cast is upper high tier It's just 6 random player's opinions and they don't touch on the matchups, just how good a character is from a scale of 1-5. The credibility is also a bit iffy since at least one player wasn't exactly serious. Tier lists don't matter anyway.
atdsutm Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 not unless your playing rachel and tsubaki. anyways by looking at that list, it seems like majority of the casts are playable at a highlelve, and if arc is gonna change anything in the next patch or game, it seems like the only bottom 3-4 (tager,rachel, tsubaki, noel) tier needs some improvement not even a nerf to bang/litchi, since both of them will naturally go down in the tier list as their favorable match-ups to low tiers will disappear. although i just wonder why they rate lambda so low among the competitive characters?
Leonil_Requiem Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 All a tier list represents is the relationship of characters, there tools, and how those tool control the other characters tools. Also, how well the control the or character's tools as well. Werther someone exploits, or better yet, uses those tools to there maximum potential, it's completely up to the two deferring players. Casual and Xbox live warriors often over exaggerate ragna's wealth when people place him in S or state that he's better than litchi in anyway. Mix up is truly contingent on human error. What makes a character good is there ability to consistently guarantee damage through a safe and unsituational means. That is why we place the characters the way we did. Also, please keep this in mind while we discuss tsubaki's worth as a character and tager's lack of damaging combos be he's not that bad. He's simply high risk high reward, to the highest possible definition. although i just wonder why they rate lambda so low among the competitive characters? Probably due to a lack of familiarity or possibly there witnessing of the Bang v Lambda match-up. xD
smooshman Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Jin Pressure game on Lambda is serious. If Jin plays Footsies its night night. that's a matchup. overall Jin's just equipped for most situations.... though his tools vary in effectieness. also side note, Jin can't play footsies for shit against Bang, Ragna, Litchi, Hakumen.... wait WTF is Ragna doing so low?
Zeromegaman Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Lambda can deal with a lot too. But together its a fair match up. It comes down to eithe r player, but if one knows how to Jin Right, I would say the match up can be in his favor. Again, it depends. As for Ragna...I can't say, me personally being a Ragna player I can agree and disagree with his position. These were only 6 people they asked.
Leonil_Requiem Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Also Tier list shouldn't really be based on opinion, just cause I have trouble with............. Tao, yea, doesn't mean you do, to say hypothetically we play the same character. It's truly a matter of tools verse tools and playing theory fighter for a bit.
smooshman Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 As for Ragna...I can't say, me personally being a Ragna player I can agree and disagree with his position. These were only 6 people they asked. obviously none of them were Jin players lol... though apparently I've been giving Lambchops too much credit or Jin not enough.
Antihippy Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Lambda can deal with a lot too. But together its a fair match up. It comes down to eithe r player, but if one knows how to Jin Right, I would say the match up can be in his favor. Again, it depends. Most matchup talk is assuming that both players know how to Character Right. I think the matchup is even. I want a new tier list based on matchups.
Zeromegaman Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 obviously none of them were Jin players lol... though apparently I've been giving Lambchops too much credit or Jin not enough. I find that Jin isn't horrible but he has certainly went down since his CT days. That much is common to all of us. They changed him so it takes far more skill than it took on CT. Lambda plays exactly the same as Nu, except toned down to dirt. The Match up is indeed even, but Jin has far much more to work with, atleast close range. Lambda doesnt have much priority. What I want is a Tierlist in which we have all the best players throwing in some input as to "why".
Guardian Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 I can't say that I agree with this tier list entirely (Hazama, Arakune and Ragna are especially surprising), but there are a crapton of fucked up matchups in this game. some questions I have: -Why isn't Ragna higher? It doesn't seem like he has many unfavorable matchups (the only ones that comes to mind are Bang/Arakune and even those might be 5.5-4.5 imo) , he's a walking 50/50, excellent pokes, insane pressure, the list goes on and on. I guess he must really lose to IB+barrier in this game, but outside of that, I don't get his placement. -Why is Hazama so high? Other than getting full combos from anywhere on the screen (several people in the game can do this) and FC hotenjin, what's so great? His pokes are decent/above avg at best and he doesn't exactly run over a lot of the cast in terms of matchups. Decent pressure and decent mixup, but no where near on the level of the people immediately above or below him. I guess I can actually understand Arakune's placement after looking at this list a 2nd time; he's an excellent character but other characters (LAMBDA, MU, WTF ARKSYS) just counter him HARD.
Halcyone3 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 stop arguing over that tier list, it was already mentioned a shit-ton of times that it's just 6 random (pro, but random) ppl ranking the characters from 1 to 5, of course its incredibly dubious. Not only is it rather biased, but the 1-5 rank thing also make it highly inaccurate, not to mention one of them seemed to just be trolling. It's nice to have at least a vague idea what some pros think, but this is a match-up chart discussion thread, that tier list has no match-up information whatsoever. Why is it being taken so srsly and why are we still arguing about it?
mundus Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 I can't say that I agree with this tier list entirely (Hazama, Arakune and Ragna are especially surprising), but there are a crapton of fucked up matchups in this game. some questions I have: -Why isn't Ragna higher? It doesn't seem like he has many unfavorable matchups (the only ones that comes to mind are Bang/Arakune and even those might be 5.5-4.5 imo) , he's a walking 50/50, excellent pokes, insane pressure, the list goes on and on. I guess he must really lose to IB+barrier in this game, but outside of that, I don't get his placement. -Why is Hazama so high? Other than getting full combos from anywhere on the screen (several people in the game can do this) and FC hotenjin, what's so great? His pokes are decent/above avg at best and he doesn't exactly run over a lot of the cast in terms of matchups. Decent pressure and decent mixup, but no where near on the level of the people immediately above or below him. I guess I can actually understand Arakune's placement after looking at this list a 2nd time; he's an excellent character but other characters (LAMBDA, MU, WTF ARKSYS) just counter him HARD. Well Ragna can lose almost every match on paper even vs Tager and Lambda. Hazama destroys Lambda and Tager from my experience. Not saying that Hazama is better than Ragna, just saying that 50/50 matchups doesn't exactly put you in S tier.
Prototype909 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Wow, Ragna in A tier is low? He's like CT Jin he gets a free pass (And a ton of 5-5 matchups) on most of the things he does. It doesn't mean he's Jesus.
soujiro seta Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 It was probably Dora that put bang as 5.5 Why the fuck he did that is beyond me (probably trolling like usual). It's probably just safe to say Litchi and Bang are equal anyways since a whole .1 difference isn't anything important. And way to fucking ruin things, LK. We decided not to post the tier list when we were talking about it on IRC because of the potential idiocy it could cause. stop arguing over that tier list, it was already mentioned a shit-ton of times that it's just 6 random (pro, but random) ppl ranking the characters from 1 to 5, of course its incredibly dubious. Not only is it rather biased, but the 1-5 rank thing also make it highly inaccurate, not to mention one of them seemed to just be trolling. It's nice to have at least a vague idea what some pros think, but this is a match-up chart discussion thread, that tier list has no match-up information whatsoever. Why is it being taken so srsly and why are we still arguing about it? Lol, it was bound to happen and Lord Knight knew what he was doing when he posted it. Lol, once you post a tier list, regardless of whether it was taken from 6 scrubs on the streets of japan, as long as it's from japan, people on American forums will argue about it.
Spirit Juice Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Tier lists don't matter anyway. SMH. -Why isn't Ragna higher? It doesn't seem like he has many unfavorable matchups (the only ones that comes to mind are Bang/Arakune and even those might be 5.5-4.5 imo) , he's a walking 50/50, excellent pokes, insane pressure, the list goes on and on. I guess he must really lose to IB+barrier in this game, but outside of that, I don't get his placement. I guess according to the JBBS thread, Ragna dropped to A tier because he was trouble creating situations in which he gets damage. In other words, he gets his damage based someone's mistake (not blocking high/low correctly, jumping out at the wrong time, getting footsy'd). Let's also not forget that his pressure game, while pretty solid, only lasts so long before he's pushed out too far, and it's also completely ruined by IBing. In addition, he has a hard time turning random hits into solid combos, unlike Bang and Litchi.
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