Spirit Juice Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 I'd say it's because her damage on random hits is pretty darn low, even for a zoner, and requires very specific setups to get damage comparable to the rest of the cast. Sure, she shouldn't get 5K from across the screen, but damn topping out at 1.5ishK off a 5D assuming non counter hit or 2ishK off a 6/2DD into aerial feels bad man. Plus her normals got gutted to an extent. This has been an issue for a while, and I think it was addressed in my character analysis thread months ago. Since then, like I said, nothing has really changed except for her max damage.
Jwallz Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 I think Hazama should be a little lower, and Ragna a little higher. His bnb damage is better and his meter gain is even more insane than Hazama's. Although Hazama can control space from all sorts of distances, and he has some decent AAs (214D-B, 2C, 6D) his pressure strings are horrible and he has very little ways of getting out of pressure himself outside of Jayoku.
mundus Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 I think Hazama should be a little lower, and Ragna a little higher. His bnb damage is better and his meter gain is even more insane than Hazama's. Although Hazama can control space from all sorts of distances, and he has some decent AAs (214D-B, 2C, 6D) his pressure strings are horrible and he has very little ways of getting out of pressure himself outside of Jayoku. I find his pressure strings one of the best cause of that command throw and that overhead. It doesn't lead to much damage unless he is sitting on 50 heat, but he always does. Ragna is also great, but imo his mixup is easier to block and he cant zone. His defense is much better than Hazamas though, but while on offense i find Hazama much more annoying to deal with, unless i play Hakumen.
DC Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 S - Bang Litchi A - Hakumen Arakune Hazama A- - Ragna Taokaka Carl B - Lambda Jin Noel C - Tager Tsubaki Rachel I revised it a little, i forgot generally later do mean certain things, so i lower the large gaps in the tier and reviewed some of the finer flaws withing the A- character. also big thanks to Dacidbro and Lord Knight Yessss! The new Leonil Requiem tier list is out!!!!
Henaki Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 henakis personal bad tier list of arbitrary shit S) litchi = bang > arakune A) carl = hazama > hakumen = ragna B) lambda = jin C) noel = tager = makoto > tsubaki R) rachel i dont know anything about mu12. also i think the balance is pretty good if you dont play C or R tier.
mundus Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 henakis personal bad tier list of arbitrary shit S) litchi = bang > arakune A) carl = hazama > hakumen = ragna B) lambda = jin C) noel = tager = makoto > tsubaki R) rachel i dont know anything about mu12. also i think the balance is pretty good if you dont play C or R tier. You forgot Taokaka, but apart from that you and i think pretty much alike, you can watch my "tier list" a few pages back, but i do not think that Makoto is that low however, i don't have enough experience with either her nor Mu to say tier, but from my experience Makoto feels pretty good.
Sophisticat Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 ^ Even in my limited online experience, I can tell you that Makoto isn't that high. She has no reach, and no way to force her way in. She has big damage, but she has to land a move first. Kind of missing an important element to make her good, imo. Not quite sure what it is yet that would be aligned with her theme, though. More Chipp illusions shenanigans, probably. Make her more "squirelly". Then we'd be going somewhere.
Halcyone3 Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 C) noel = tager = makoto unless u were trolling, why would u think makoto is even remotely comparable to noel tier-wise?
mundus Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 ^ Even in my limited online experience, I can tell you that Makoto isn't that high. She has no reach, and no way to force her way in. She has big damage, but she has to land a move first. Kind of missing an important element to make her good, imo. Not quite sure what it is yet that would be aligned with her theme, though. More Chipp illusions shenanigans, probably. Make her more "squirelly". Then we'd be going somewhere. You saying she Tager tier? I think she is pretty good, her damage is really high. Her normals aren't all that great, but land one and it hurts, her reversal DD is the most gay thing in the game after her reversal astral. Also the parry is pretty good, i fought a Makoto that knew how to use it.
Skye Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Someone sucks at fighting Arakune. He did say it was arbitrary shit.
Henaki Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 no arakune is S tier. hes not as good as litchi or bang though. also taokaka isnt a character.Someone sucks at fighting Arakune. He did say it was arbitrary shit. my record vs arakune in CS is something like 100-5, that is not an exaggeration. ive literally lost 5 times to arakune since CS has been released.
ZONG_one Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 my record vs arakune in CS is something like 100-5, that is not an exaggeration. ive literally lost 5 times to arakune since CS has been released. God damn, son. Hit me up when I'm on EC.
Henaki Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 God damn, son. Hit me up when I'm on EC. sure thing, a challenge is always good.
Leo7 Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Hit kousaka up if you're going to Season's Beatings Henaki. Arakune/Tager match-up on the cab here is 8-2 for a reason :/
Spirit Juice Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Arakune/Tager match-up on the cab here is 8-2 for a reason :/ Yeah. Bad Tagers. It's okay; Henaki will contribute to the statistic.
dehumanizer Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Yeah. Bad Tagers. It's okay; Henaki will contribute to the statistic. LO FING L
[X]CC[X] Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 how do you got 100-5 against arakune, I mean really.
redsilversnake Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 S: Litchi, Bang A: Carl, Arakune, Hakumen, Ragna B: Jin, Taokaka, Hazama, Lambda, Mu, Makoto, Noel C: Tager, Tsubaki, Rachel Just my two cents. Also, I feel I should note that it's in order (i.e., Carl is the best in A-tier, Bang is below Litchi in S). Pretty much the only things I think would need tweaking would be Noel, Mu, and Makoto's placements. For Noel, it may just be my limited experience with her (both as and against), but I find it hard to determine whether she's bottom B or mid-to-high C. Mu has good traps and oki, but her melee is noticeably worse than a lot of the cast and I wouldn't put her zoning on par with Hazama or Lambda. Makoto can get good damage, but as Sophisticat said, her range is lackluster and her options for approach are severely limited; also, even if she does get in, her mix-up is gimmicky at best.
ZONG_one Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Since when is this the everyone post their own tier list thread?
A.X.I.S. Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Since when is this the everyone post their own tier list thread? since that tier list LK has posted, everyone of little importance threw their humble opinions in. everyone who had a brain saw this coming and thus stayed out of it, except henaki because he is gdlk.
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