European SBO'10 qualifiers - at Stunfest

[BioLogIn]

Okay, people, get ready for some flame.

Lately I've been pointed out that Stunfest event (France, Rennes, May 22-23) has added GGXXAC SBO qualifiers to the list of events on their site: http://stunfest.3hitcombo.fr/

I'm shocked by the fact that there is NO fucking info about this! Anywhere save French forum. Period.

Who will attend "European quals" if you don't care about announcing it?! Lesse:

Germany: no info from orgs, a thread made by local players.

Finland: no info at all.

Sweden: no info at all.

Russia: no info from orgs, a thread made by local players.

Italy: no info at all.

Slovenia: no info at all.

Spain: no info at all.

and so on. Why do guys run this event at all - to have 4 teams (best-case) of French players there (no disrespect to French players, who are totally cool and skilled guys, but come on, this is European quals after all)? You have less then 2 months left, and you don't even bother to come up with an English announcement on you forums? That's some disrespect, mate.

Not only this, but the time and place are all extremely INCONVENIENT for GG players. WE already attended French tourney this spring (Cannes), we are going to attend Showdown at Sweden, and you really think many players will be able to attend three foreign events during one spring? Again, some probably could, but given time to cancel a trip to Showdown or cut the expenses somehow. You don't even give a announcement, how could they plan anything? I know that Showdown orgs had discussed this with you - can you please give any reasons for NOT running GG quals at Sweden, where most interested players will be?

I guess I could have wrote all this calmer and better, and\or I could have done this private. And maybe you have some solid reasons behind your actions. But you don't care to explain anything, right? I'm really pissed with the fact that SBO representative in Europe doesn't care about European players. At all. Not only you screw us this year, but you'll get a 2 teams quals (you used to have 1-team quals two years ago, right?), and next year we as well may get no quals at all. Now thank you for a wonderful job, guys.

[Camo]

3 or 4 French teams already decided to go to Tougeki like every year.

[RoBoBOBR]

how's that relevant =\

[Lazze]

vive la france

[St1ckBuG]

I thought every spot this year in GG was reserved for the Japanese?

[OverKilL.]

...stun)

[Madjid]

Ok, as we asked the spot for Sweden in first place here's the deal.

If we get the garantee that the qualifier will be on ARCADE, and if the majority of players want it in Sweden, the spot will be in Sweden.

If the swedish staff can't get the arcade version and/or the players want it in France, it will be in Stunfest, France.

Is it fair ?

But first a need a guarantee about the arcade version !

Then I'll open a 1 week pool.

I'm not the only one who decided that, so please, keep your hate thanks.

[RoBoBOBR]

Really, hate isn't about the place or time. It's about the fact that stunfest and thus SBO quals are having no promotion whatsoever to inform anybody but french players about it. It's like they are trying to keep all foreign players out of it. And that's stupid given that it's european SBO spot, not french spot.

[Chitt Zangiff]

"If we get the garantee that the qualifier will be on ARCADE"

Only that? I don`t understand why it`s so famous. Was the rule to use only stick with arcade layout, why it`s not enouth? It`s really look like joke for me.

[Dream Maker]

Yeah, of course it is widely known that every European GGAC qualifier before that one was done using the arcade version...

Seriously, I understand why all European players are pissed off by the SBO qualifier being held at Stunfest X rather than at Showdown 5. I see absolutely no viable reason for it to happen in France. Showdown is a more convenient location in Europe and will attract more players than Sunfest.

[Shinjin]

First of all I don't really mind the quals being at Stunfest per se. The thing that makes me the most sad is to see the lack of information spread out to the European-community. Even though we in the Showdown-organization-team had communication with the "French-commité", we weren't even informed about the fact that the quals went to Stunfest. We at Showdown never made any promises about that we would have quals, only that we would do our best to get them since we honestly believe that Showdown is the most GG-oriented event here in Europe. GG, a game that has been dying since BB & SF4 came out.

If we get the garantee that the qualifier will be on ARCADE, and if the majority of players want it in Sweden, the spot will be in Sweden.

Now being just one month left until the event this isn't something we really can guarantee. I can't really give any comments about last years Showdown-qualifier but it was supposed to be on Arcade via SuperGun to TV's, but it seemed to have failed (alot of stuff seemed to have failed in my absense...). So I understand certain French-players comments on the boards etc. and I respect that.

If the community wants the quals to be at Showdown it sounds like a great idea to me. All I can say is that we can't really quarantee a arcade-setup at this point of time. Maybe if we had gotten the information a bit more in advance, maybe. But now at the situation where we're at, I can't make any promises. But we can try, if the community wants us to. I'll chill for a while though, and see what this discussion leads to.

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I am very happy to see the Russian-community taking a stand for what they believe in! I am impressed with you guys and your community! I'm really busy recently so I have neither had the time or energy to take the "fight" myself so it feels great that somebody started a discussion. Really looking forward to seeing you guys at Showdown, and I hope you'll be a bit more in the mood for talking & chilling than what I heard about you guys last year

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3 or 4 French teams already decided to go to Tougeki like every year.

Oh you mean like last year when one french team entered the qualifier? Or the year before that when France had the qualifier and just one team entered? I know that you only mean well Camo, and I don't really like the anti-France-style that some people are going for 'cause I know that most of you guys are great people, but facts are facts and should be kept correct and true.

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I hope nobody was offended or anything. I love all of you so!!!

Now I'm going to sleep and then go back to studying from 9:00 to 20:00

[Neithan]

It's getting complicated as always, i'll try to make a bit of light in this thread :

- Only Goga came to Cannes. He was THE ONLY player that came. So before saying "3 events we can't afford that" please note It's now 2 events. Please come to the tournaments !

- About the qualifiers last year, I wasn't there but it was not in good conditions at all. First it was on console, secondly if you went to a console then another it was not the same version of GGAC if I remember correctly (or the USA version... Something like that). In these conditions, you should not be surprised about the change of hands.

- When people want us to be equals and communicate I'm okay, but it should start by travelling equally also ! It's been three years we come to shodown, and it's been three years sweden community didn't move in France. You can understand that people also wants you to move on your side on tournaments that are prepared for giving good conditions, it's a pleasure and honor to have you in France, to organize a tournament also for you. Seeing goga in cannes was great and I was ashamed that there was not enought freeplay for him during the week, something that will not happen in stunfest. It's just my opinion but giving the quals to a major country each year (French, Sweden, Russia) would be the good thing to do. Yeah i know I'm dreaming !

- Seing the previous phrases you ash why are the french organizing this ? Because we were the first one to ask for it in europe years ago, it's as simple as that, and now Joe Higashi and Madjid are well knowned from the organizers, and they will not change just because we ask.

- The arcade version was asked for the qualifications and it means... an arcade cab. Arcade conditions, not just a version plugged to a TV. We have two GGAC arcade versions in France on arcade cabs in paris. So basically it's easier, you don't even have to think about how you'll manage to find an arcade version.

I will not participate so I don't really care but you have to admit something there :

- Shodown has the most players

- France has the greatest conditions

So now it's up to each country !

[BioLogIn]

Okay, I glad that at least I was able to get some reaction with this thread. Time to talk some sense now.

@Camo

With all my respect, this is cool, but I don't see how's that related to European quals... and 'like every year' part kinda bothers me... did you guys really had 3 teams entered SBO quals last year?

@Madjid

First things first - can we here get some formal introduction please? I personally know that you are somehow (but how exactly?) "related" to running Stunfest, because I think Shinjin mentioned that once and now Neithan mentioned that as well. However, most of people around have totally no idea - WHO is running the Stunfest? Who is responsible for SBO quals in Europe? Who should they contact for details? Maybe French players know about that but most of other players don't. I've invested a certain amount of time of reading French forums with google translate, and even after that I don't know if you're the person in charge of Stunfest or not. So could you please explain if you are speaking officially on behalf of Stunfest staff or not?

I'm not the only one who decided that, so please, keep your hate thanks.

Again, my 'hate' wasn't directed at _you_ - a while ago I didn't have a slightest clue on who is running Stunfest, who is taking decisions about SBO quals, etc. I was pissed about total lack of information. RoBoBOBR got it totally right, it worths quoting again:

Really, hate isn't about the place or time. It's about the fact that stunfest and thus SBO quals are having no promotion whatsoever to inform anybody but french players about it.

I wouldn't have accused French guys about doing this intentionally, though. All players from France I know are totally cool guys and I don't believe that they would have never hid the info intentionally. I think this is "just" an oversight from orgs.

Then I'll open a 1 week pool.

Yeah, "good" idea - to give people even less time to prepare for the event. Great.

Come on, you've now explained why SBO quals are at Stunfest, and arguments about Arcade machine make sense (if this is a requirement by Japanese orgs). Just please finally give us an announcement of your event, so those who still can possibly attend would be able to try.

Again, I'm not talking against French quals here. I'm talking against poorly organized quals - and how can one expect good organization if orgs don't even care to announce the thing properly? Showdown 2009 had it's technical issues (and I don't try to say that Russian tourneys don't have any =)), but at least we knew about it like 4 months before the event and it was properly announced 2 months before the event, and Sweden guys we totally cool and posted a nice guide on getting there and answered all our stupid questions etc etc. We had time to prepare and to choose if we want to attend.

I hope you'll be a bit more in the mood for talking & chilling than what I heard about you guys last year

Hey, I'll remember you that =) We didn't really got along with you guys last time due to some misunderstandings and bad schedule on our part (we totally missed Sunday party), but we're about to change that on Showdown 2010 =)

Only Goga came to Cannes. He was THE ONLY player that came.

Yep, that's very true, and my 'WE' was a little stretched (although for a tourney of 12 people 9% foreign attendance is not bad, right? :P).

But still, he was there, and being one of the strongest players in Europe (I guess I can say that much after he got his performance at Showdown 2009 and at Cannes 2009) he is kinda the must-have candidate for our team for SBO quals.

- About the qualifiers last year...

As I already said above, I don't hold anything against quals at France (now with the reasons explained). But again:

a) I'm strongly against current lack of information. Not only information for players, but it also sounds they didn't communicated too well with other orgs - why start talking about possibility of running SBO quals at Sweden (if they met certain requirements) now, if they already talked with Shinjin for quite a while (as far as I know)?

b) I'm generally against two major international tourneys with dates close to each other and in the same country (WGC and Stunfest). It is really inconvenient to players from other countries, especially when it comes to communities as small as European GG community.

When people want us to be equals and communicate I'm okay, but it should start by travelling equally

How about a big NO? This is simply not the way international tourneys work. Not to mention the fact that it is kinda hard to travel to the tourney you don't even know about =) But it is the responsibility of orgs to communicate about their event. You don't announce the event => you don't get players. And not vise versa.

[Neithan]

Okay, I glad that at least I was able to get some reaction with this thread. Time to talk some sense now.

@Camo

With all my respect, this is cool, but I don't see how's that related to European quals... and 'like every year' part kinda bothers me... did you guys really had 3 teams entered SBO quals last year?

@Madjid

First things first - can we here get some formal introduction please? I personally know that you are somehow (but how exactly?) "related" to running Stunfest, because I think Shinjin mentioned that once and now Neithan mentioned that as well. However, most of people around have totally no idea - WHO is running the Stunfest? Who is responsible for SBO quals in Europe? Who should they contact for details? Maybe French players know about that but most of other players don't. I've invested a certain amount of time of reading French forums with google translate, and even after that I don't know if you're the person in charge of Stunfest or not. So could you please explain if you are speaking officially on behalf of Stunfest staff or not?

Responsible for Tougeki Quals (meaning communication with jap people) : Madjid

Director of the Stunfest : SRG so indirectly responsible for quals if they are hold in France.

Right now here is why communication was not very good : both Madjid and SRG are struggling to have sponsors and money so they can afford an event of quality. Communication was not very good during this time and they are sorry about it I suppose. It's also our part, french players, for not giving any info. But as I say, when it's been 3 years that almost anybody came to France, what's the point ? People won't come.

Again, my 'hate' wasn't directed at _you_ - a while ago I didn't have a slightest clue on who is running Stunfest, who is taking decisions about SBO quals, etc. I was pissed about total lack of information. RoBoBOBR got it totally right, it worths quoting again:

I wouldn't have accused French guys about doing this intentionally, though. All players from France I know are totally cool guys and I don't believe that they would have never hid the info intentionally. I think this is "just" an oversight from orgs.

As I said very occupied orgas and bored french players, that makes a bad communication.

Yeah, "good" idea - to give people even less time to prepare for the event. Great.

Come on, you've now explained why SBO quals are at Stunfest, and arguments about Arcade machine make sense (if this is a requirement by Japanese orgs). Just please finally give us an announcement of your event, so those who still can possibly attend would be able to try.

Come on he's trying to find a solution !:8/:He also have to organize for all the other games you know, that's not simple at all. If he let people choose that's the way of doing it !

Again, I'm not talking against French quals here. I'm talking against poorly organized quals - and how can one expect good organization if orgs don't even care to announce the thing properly? Showdown 2009 had it's technical issues (and I don't try to say that Russian tourneys don't have any =)), but at least we knew about it like 4 months before the event and it was properly announced 2 months before the event, and Sweden guys we totally cool and posted a nice guide on getting there and answered all our stupid questions etc etc. We had time to prepare and to choose if we want to attend.

I already responded before.

Yep, that's very true, and my 'WE' was a little stretched (although for a tourney of 12 people 9% foreign attendance is not bad, right? :P).

But still, he was there, and being one of the strongest players in Europe (I guess I can say that much after he got his performance at Showdown 2009 and at Cannes 2009) he is kinda the must-have candidate for our team for SBO quals.

Yeah he was a great addition for the tournament and he's a must have player for quals ! But we want more people to come along sometimes to see us !

As I already said above, I don't hold anything against quals at France (now with the reasons explained). But again:

a) I'm strongly against current lack of information. Not only information for players, but it also sounds they didn't communicated too well with other orgs - why start talking about possibility of running SBO quals at Sweden (if they met certain requirements) now, if they already talked with Shinjin for quite a while (as far as I know)?

Because Sweden was asked for an arcade version and didn't communicate either apparantly. So each side didn't communicate and poof ! We have this situation.

b) I'm generally against two major international tourneys with dates close to each other and in the same country (WGC and Stunfest). It is really inconvenient to players from other countries, especially when it comes to communities as small as European GG community.

You can blame the showdown, the stunfest was always in May, it never changed. But Shinjinn changed the date for cheaper plane prices, so in fact, you can't blame the shodown !

AAAARGH IT'S TOO COMPLICATED !!

How about a big NO? This is simply not the way international tourneys work. Not to mention the fact that it is kinda hard to travel to the tourney you don't even know about =) But it is the responsibility of orgs to communicate about their event. You don't announce the event => you don't get players. And not vise versa.

Come on don't give me that ! The stunfest is the biggest event in France since 5 years ! It's been two years we communicate on forums about it, even Marn and Justin Wong came last year and won the guilty gear tournament ! So it's not as we were hiding ! The Cannes tournament had heavy communication and nobody came at all except goga !

I can accept you are lacking of communication this year but don't blow dragons to our faces like sol in GG slash ! We had great tournaments for years and european people just never came (except the three germans, Koji and Probe...) ! And please be warned that we came to the showdown 3 (12 french players !) three years ago and we didn't even know the sweden community or what was the place or reputation ! If you don't do the first step sometimes you will never change things. Shinjinn will agree that Shodown 3 was the best GG event of all time because it was a great orga and both French, Sweden, Norvegian, Slovenian and english players came, even if they didn't know at all the other players of the community, it was the way to meet people and have great moments !

Many french players can't afford to travel too but would like to meet european players, the same in sweden, in russia, etc. So sometimes it should be normal, and even polite, to turn a bit the places where you are travelling. As I said I would love to see a big tournament held in a major country each year. It's not possible, but that would be fair for everybody.

/close the complain, see you in sweden to make love while eating krisprolls in the sauna !

[Camo]

We all know that French people are not Welcome here (Ban without reason, Flameware etc..) but it's not a reason to smash all things who come from us.

When we see the how happened the 09'Tougeki Qualifs, we can have some reserve about new qualif.

I prefer hear from you guys " We don't want to come to from" instead of all of this craps.

As said Neithan, It's always French people who travel and not others European, Why ?

(Except Goga, Probe or Koji who are very good friends and very nice guys)

[BioLogIn]

@Neithan

Cool, man. Thanks for your input. I see your points, and most of them are pretty valid. I admit I kinda overreacted (well, I admitted that much in the very first post =)), and since you agree there was some definite lack of communication, we have nothing to argue about. I do hope this lack of communication will be fixed soon.

We all know that French people are not Welcome here

Forgive me, but my answer is "lol what"? I don't really know why did you switched to this mode. I have totally nothing against French guys (or girls =) in general; nor against any other country's guys or girls, I never said anything against French people in general, and French team I met at Showdown 2009 were completely cool guys, I'd enjoy meeting them again. I never 'banned' or 'flamed' based on region or country or religion or whichever, on these forums or anywhere else. So I totally miss your point here.

It's always French people who travel and not others European, Why ?

This is a good question, and I may or may not have an answer to it. But - again - how is it connected to this very topic? You just keep asking some random questions or what?

[offtopic]But in case you're asking - well, over last 4 years Russian fighters has been attending tournaments at Finland, Sweden, France and Poland; meanwhile, the only guys who ever attended Russian tourneys (we have a great annual MFA event we run for 6 years already) were Finnish guys in 2008. We welcome every foreign person to our tourneys; we help them with hosting and we make the participation totally free for them; we used to have some decent cash prizes (up to $2k per game in 2008); we always announce this event as broad as we can - you may check this very forums or your console-league forums or many others; and yet, nobody comes =) I guess I have as much reasons to say 'we always travel, but nobody comes to us' as you do =)[/offtopic]

[Neithan]

Biologin : I think camo was talking about the forum in general and not about you.

As for the tournament in Russia some almost made it last summer for two or three players but at the end it could not be done. Problems at work for having vacations and when the majority of motivated people learned if they could go or not, it was too late for plane tickets and papers for Russia. For next time we would like to prepare a travel so we can also visit a bit russia and not just come to the tournament.

[Nehle]

Shinjin posting from Nehle´s account:

I just want the best possible qualifier available. So let´s try to focus on what we can do from now on, instead of playing "it´s you´re fault". It pretty much comes down to this in my mind:

Stunfest

- Can promise arcade-version.

- French-players confirmed.

Showdown

- Can´t promise arcade-version (the Swedish guy that had the game might have sold it, he hasn´t answered me yet, so I can´t make any promises)

- Alot of top-european players (ex: Goga, Tim119, Mitsu, Cieslak, SWE etc) have already signed up for this event (an event two weeks before Stunfest)

Pretty much every country other than us Swedes have traveled alot to play GG for the last couple of years (last time us Swedes went abroad was B3C2007), so I understand why people want us to move around as well. I don´t really mind going to Stunfest, but this discussion should not only be about us Swedes, nor should it be about only French, or Russians, etc. What is best for the whole community should be prioritized.

The people that are seriously interested in qualifying for Tougeki are:

France

Sweden

Russia

Finland

Pretty much. I would like to know what Finland (Lazze etc.) thinks. Preferably in a mannered fashion

You can blame the showdown, the stunfest was always in May, it never changed. But Shinjinn changed the date for cheaper plane prices, so in fact, you can't blame the shodown !

To be fair this was decided via a vote open for everyone and properly announced. It's not like I only changed the date for cheaper plane prices, it was changed because a majority of the European-community wanted a pretty much GG-only dedicated event to be in May rather than in March.

Yet again, I just want a highest possible level of a qualifier as possible (amounts of teams, playerstrength).

And it should be decided ASAP!

Love you all!!!!

/Shinjin from Nehle´s account

[Kyle]

Congratulations on the spots!

Best of luck to all the participants.

=)

[Camo]

Everybody know that an open vote is impossible.

[Shinjin]

Everybody know that an open vote is impossible.

I agree.

But I really do want a well thought out and properly explained decision soon, so people that want to go can at least plan a little. Or maybe the decision already has been made?

Kyle:

Thank you

[Yonasu]

If we get the garantee that the qualifier will be on ARCADE, and if the majority of players want it in Sweden, the spot will be in Sweden.

If the swedish staff can't get the arcade version and/or the players want it in France, it will be in Stunfest, France.

For me it seems apparent that the most players will be attending Showdown as it has been established as the guilty gear event of europe. It will be focused almost completely on guilty gear which makes it alot more fun for the players and all the spectators will also have alot more fun as the game is quite more enjoyable to watch if you have insight into its mechanics and finesse.

If it is a requirment that the qualifier should be held on the arcade version I can understand the reasoning behind having the qualifier at stunfest. I cant understand why the qualifiers should be held on a arcade version of the game though as 99.9% of the european players play the game on console! As this is the case I dont feel that having the qualifier on a arcade version will make any difference at all, for better or for worse, for the players attending the qualifiers. And that is why I think that demanding the qualifiers should be played on a arcade version feels unneccessary.

- About the qualifiers last year, I wasn't there but it was not in good conditions at all. First it was on console, secondly if you went to a console then another it was not the same version of GGAC if I remember correctly (or the USA version... Something like that). In these conditions, you should not be surprised about the change of hands.

There was some complications with the qualifiers last year yes, but all the games were played with the same version of the game and all players had the same conditions for their matches.

It was during the other tournaments that the version of the game could be different as all games were brought by the people who showed up. This has always been the case for our gatherings here in Sweden and it has never been an issue for our players here. Seeing as this is something that apparently some players have an issue with this is being put on a higher priority than earlier Showdowns to meet the players wishes.

The plans for the qualifier was to have a arcade version for the qualifier and it was a huge letdown for the players as well as the organisers when the "arcade-expert" who was gonna help us out with this failed miserably. This will of course be a lesson learned for future events and one example of this is that we havent promised a arcade version yet as we are not yet sure that this can happen.

As a sidenote, the reason why I havent travelled to other tournaments is that there have been no other event that has focused mainly on Guilty that have had a possible date for me to attend. I wanted to attend the game festival in Cannes this time around, but having the tournaments for guilty spread out over a 3day period proved too timeconsuming for me at that stage in my studies. And I was also concerned with the amount of playtime that would be dedicated to guilty gear seeing how there were tons of other games announced for that same event. But all this doesnt really concern this topic.

I hope a good solution can be found for the qualifiers!

With love,

/Yonasu

[Lazze]

i'll come up with some input here since shinjin asked for it.

bear with me here as im semi-drunk and super-tired right now, this might get a wee-bit confusing.

to be honest, i dont really care where the qualifiers are held at this point, as i've stopped caring/hoping that finland will get a team together for the qualifier due to all these uncertainties surrounding this years qualifiers, so bleh.

still i think the better european qualifier would be held at showdown, where all(?) still active top players from europe will most likely be, and as stated, it's a guilty gear tournament, not some multimegaeverygame_event which will have a questionable amount of casual play for everyone's favorite game that isnt sf4.

sweden would have a true european qualifier with european player pool, instead of having a french qualifier with those aforementioned 3 or 4 french teams.

with unlimited money & time it'd be all the same where the qualifiers were held but since most of us dont have those luxuries why not kill all the birds with one stone, holding the ggxx qualifier at the event which appeals to the majority of the ggxx players. only ones left out would be the possible french teams that arent going to showdown but still wish to take part in the qualifier.

turning to the "who should travel to where" -thing, well, ggxx players playing in a ggxx qualifier, travelling to a huge ggxx tournament for the qualifier is in my opinion the more expected option than travelling to a huge multifighter tournament. it's not as much geography as it is what the different events offer.

anyway i have no idea what i've written so far but if you want to just ignore everything else and get the qualifier to france because they have the arcade version, then whatever. it's not like the japanese are going to give a shit either way.

all this with lots of IMOs and candies and hugs and pink teddy bears

http://apina.biz/27196.gif

[Shinjin]

It costs about 500-600Euro to go to Rennes now...

(mostly because tougeki-"announcement" is so late tickets are so expensive, I wouldn't go if there wasn't going to be tougeki-quals & we got mixed impressions that we would maybe get the quals to Showdown so..)

Add 100-200Euro you could go to Japan and back-_-...

+ The russians have already payed alot of money and worked alot for visas for Showdown.

One can pretty much say that the three nations interessted in qualifying seems to be FRA, SWE & RUS (maybe FIN, but since Lazze doesn't seem to get a team together... I wouldn't count FIN out yet though).

.....

Altough we can't promise that we can get the arcade-version, we can do our outmost best to try to get it. There is only one month left to the event so that's why I can't promise anything, arcades & arcadesoftware doesn't grow on trees. (we can promise back-to-back tv's though, lol)

But if anybody wants to be able to go to any qualifier it would help out alot if a definite decision was made by the people responsible before this weekend is over.

I think pretty much everything that has been needed to be said has been said. The ball is now in your court! It's up to you to decide what kind of qualifier you want. Let's try to make the best out of the situation, and that is a clear answer.

/David

[Camo]

It costs about 500-600Euro to go to Rennes now...

LOL

900Sek for the Plane (Ryanair) and 700Sek for the train (SNCF)

It's not 600Euro