Continuum Shift SPECULATION/THEORIES

[Circuitous]

So really at this point the only speculation worthy aspect of this is if the main storyline ragna is who fights the black beast, or if the ragna who fights the black beast is born during the CT/CS loops, or something else entirely. Bottom line is Ragna fights the beast.

Maybe they mean metaphorically. Y'know, the Black Beast within us all.

[Alpha to Omega]

This is about 10 pages too late but since the consensus seemed to be that The Bloodedge in the past wasn't Ragna. How about I bring up this advertising snippet from the Phase 0 novel due to come out. Careful this advert contains some pretty fucking big spoilers and I don't know why such spoilers would be used to advertise something. Maybe they thought the foreshadowing in CS was blatant.

So really at this point the only speculation worthy aspect of this is if the main storyline ragna is who fights the black beast, or if the ragna who fights the black beast is born during the CT/CS loops, or something else entirely. Bottom line is Ragna fights the beast.

IIRC the story takes place prior to Calamity Trigger so I doubt it will have Ragna as Bloodedge fighting the Black Beast during the Dark War since he would have to time-travel back and forth.

[Seadragon77]

Speaking of this Bloodedge character.... Just who in the world is this Bloodedge? All I know is that he held the Black Beast back so the Six Heroes can finish it off. Does anyone know who or what this person did or accomplished before his death at the hands of the Black Beast.

[harmless kitten]

Speaking of this Bloodedge character.... Just who in the world is this Bloodedge? All I know is that he held the Black Beast back so the Six Heroes can finish it off. Does anyone know who or what this person did or accomplished before his death at the hands of the Black Beast.

This is sort of the wrong thread for questions, but Bloodedge was heavily implied (if not outright stated) to be the one to put the BB into a period of hibernation for a year. How is unknown, although he sacrificed himself to do so. Jubei considered him to be a true hero. He gave 'Edge's jacket and sword to Ragna. There's some more stuff from the beginning of Haku's story but I don't have access to my PS3 atm.

[DonMagicJuan]

This is sort of the wrong thread for questions, but Bloodedge was heavily implied (if not outright stated) to be the one to put the BB into a period of hibernation for a year. How is unknown, although he sacrificed himself to do so. Jubei considered him to be a true hero. He gave 'Edge's jacket and sword to Ragna. There's some more stuff from the beginning of Haku's story but I don't have access to my PS3 atm.

That pretty much sums it up. The only other thing we know is he was a human and not a beastmen. As he said, and I'm paraphrasing, "I wan't to fight and die as a human being."

[Seadragon77]

Even though this is the wrong place for questions, I do thank the both of you for answering it. That was really the main thing that was bugging me storyline wise.

[zeech]

Whilst it seems others dont agree, I had always assumed Ragna merges with Nu, goes back in time to become the BB. He "holds back" the BB for a year from WITHIN the BB, perhaps costing him his human soul.

So when Jubei and others talk about how heroic BloodEdge was, its tinged with irony/sadness since they are telling Ragna about his own sacrifice that he doesnt know about.

That was my interpretation of it whilst I played the story. I havent gone back to double check all the facts so YMMV.

[ChrisX]

I can finally open this site again, yay (Although I had to use a proxy site like Anonymouse. But better than nothing!).

Again, this question has been asked so many times, but... HOW do you think Tsubaki and Litchi interact within the NOL? They pretty much had... nothing really going on together between them (except in Tsubaki's Gag Reel, but it's non-canon). There's always a chance that both of them would be too preoccupied with their current business within NOL, right? So how do everyone put 'Litchi might snap Tsubaki out' into consideration?

[Korigama]

I can finally open this site again, yay (Although I had to use a proxy site like Anonymouse. But better than nothing!).

Again, this question has been asked so many times, but... HOW do you think Tsubaki and Litchi interact within the NOL? They pretty much had... nothing really going on together between them (except in Tsubaki's Gag Reel, but it's non-canon). There's always a chance that both of them would be too preoccupied with their current business within NOL, right? So how do everyone put 'Litchi might snap Tsubaki out' into consideration?

I don't see Litchi having any effect on Tsubaki, for pretty much the reasons you've already mentioned (no connection outside of the gag ending, and separate responsibilities potentially limiting interaction). More than likely, Noel and Makoto will try to bring Tsubaki back, but won't make much progress without involving Jin.

[ChrisX]

I knew those statements mostly came from overly optimist people. Stay optimistic and Mori will turn down your optimism HARD. I'm willing to bet that Litchi suddenly coming to her senses next game would come from the overly optimist people. Optimism is good, but put too much optimism and... you're in for a big pain when it turns out otherwise.

And hell, perhaps I need a reminder or something, but... has there been any proof that Litchi's usual kindness is genuine, not a fake one she implanted so she could move around freely? Perhaps I'm being too hopeful, but at the things revealed thus far, it would seem that it's all fake...

Okay! For a next theory/discussion...

It's said that wielding a Nox will have great side effects. We all know how Muchourin, Yukianesa, Bolverk and Nirvanna works. Now, about Phoenix Rettenjou... if Bang uses it... what will be the side effect? Was kinda thinking that it might take away his moral code and became something that is bent on fulfilling the Rettenjou's will to destroy all other Nox... But that's just me, I guess...

[FormerlyUnknown]

it makes him louder and more obnoxious...oh wait...

[ChrisX]

Well, speaking of Phoenix Rettenjou...

Somewhere, I heard that in Bang's Arcade Mode, when he tried rubbing Arakune, Arakune ran off in fear. Some people theorized that... Arakune knew Bang has the Phoenix Rettenjou, and his response was like "You use that to me, and I'll cease to exist!" or so... Which means, Bang using Phoenix Rettenjou would destroy Arakune rather than restoring him back to Lotte.

Now let's say Bang uses that on Litchi. Does this mean that she will get destroyed like Arakune? Or she's probably just safe since she hasn't got it as bad as Arakune did? Or was the one driving Arakune to run off was another mind that encompasses the majority of his mind compared to Lotte (so it got fearful that it will be destroyed and not latching to Lotte anymore)?

[Shadow Draygon]

Litchi isn't nearly as corrupt as Lotte so unlikely.

Also Litchi being redeemed/pardoned by the next game would be bullshit. You can't have characters suddenly switch sides and then be pardoned all in one go, that's extremely poor character development.

[Black Onslaught]

Litchi is "approaching" Lotte's limit, her negative feedback from the Boundary and her losing control of herself in exposure Ragna and Hazama's False Azures is a confirmation of this.

Lotte, Rachel and Kokonoe comment on it and Litchi herself acknowledges she's running out of time.

And yeah, if everyone ( Bang, Taokaka, Carl, Kokonoe and Tager.. oh Linhua ) accepts her back after y'know, potentially giving away Sector Seven's confidential information and betraying them then that's bullshit, I agree with you SD.

[ChrisX]

I won't expect her to be forgiven at the beginning of the next game (hell, I sure as hell won't forgive her that easily for betraying my trust on her! I guess everyone else is losing trust like I did, so much that they want her unforgiven and dead). But then, there's this rumor that this will be a trilogy, which means next game may be the last in the arc. I see that several who does trust her will forgive her after she starts telling her situation (but the question is... would she EVER tell?)... but Sector Seven wouldn't be as forgiving and maybe assigns Kokonoe and Tager to personally execute her. That's how I see it goes in the first moments of the third game.

Also, I could easily see Litchi developing some hatred to Kokonoe for refusing her and putting her in that situation. You know, Terumi can ALWAYS goad her to think like that.

[Shadow Draygon]

BB is at heart a fighting game. The fact that people would even speculate that it would stick to a story based trilogy is ridiculous. If it stay popular enough they'll make more with more and more BS storylines as GG has shown us.

[p-kun]

Again, this question has been asked so many times, but... HOW do you think Tsubaki and Litchi interact within the NOL? They pretty much had... nothing really going on together between them (except in Tsubaki's Gag Reel, but it's non-canon). There's always a chance that both of them would be too preoccupied with their current business within NOL, right? So how do everyone put 'Litchi might snap Tsubaki out' into consideration?

No one is likely to snap Tsubaki out but Jin. Makoto might help a lot but I doubt that Tsubaki will be willing to hear Noel out. However, I always thought that it'll be interesting for Litchi and Tsubaki to chat. They are after all the exact opposite. Litchi is willing to forsake her values for love, Tsubaki forsakes her loves for her values. It'll give Tsubaki a food for thought.

Terumi should have Tsubaki attack Ragna in front of Jin if he wants to assure Tsubaki's loyalty. But he doesn't need Tsubaki anyway, since the one he needs is the Izayoi. He could care less which side Tsubaki is, though her misery should be fun to see.

Some people theorized that... Arakune knew Bang has the Phoenix Rettenjou, and his response was like "You use that to me, and I'll cease to exist!" or so... Which means, Bang using Phoenix Rettenjou would destroy Arakune rather than restoring him back to Lotte.

Interesting theory. I really want to see it happens, just to see how Litchi will react.

And yeah, if everyone ( Bang, Taokaka, Carl, Kokonoe and Tager.. oh Linhua ) accepts her back after y'know, potentially giving away Sector Seven's confidential information and betraying them then that's bullshit, I agree with you SD.

Bang will likely forgive her. Tao is too dumb to realize that she betrayed her. Tager will understand. Linhua is outside the information loop to even know where Litchi goes. Arakune, Kokonoe and Carl are not the type to forgive. I would love to see their reactions. But in the end, I think Litchi will be the one that cannot forgive herself the most.

[Black Onslaught]

It's important to note that in many source materials for the game, BBCS is regarded as " BB 1.5 ", and it should be taken as such. The next game will pretty much be a -true- sequel in regards to the storyline.

[ChrisX]

Um, if we go by that, then it's like saying GGX is GG1.5, then GGXX is GG1.75, then GGXX Accent Core is GG1.875, since the 'True Sequel' of GG is Overture. Or so I heard...

It also came to me that... despite what Mori said, Bang is still technically more powerful than Carl as of current, and Carl recognizes it. What Mori was implying was that Carl has the greatest raw power amongst the vigilantes. There are two problems in him though: Control and experience. He's a bit unstable and due to that, I think he couldn't grasp the full extent of his vast power and potential. Given time, however, he will surpass Bang.

As said, Bang has more experience and control over his normal strength, but without realizing and mastering the Phoenix Rettenjou, I will agree that he will get surpassed by Carl eventually. And even if he can master his Nox, we're not sure the extent of its power, whether it lets him surpass Carl or not. But then again, it's a pretty common story of 'student surpassing master', and since Bang treats Carl like a student, he'll be more than likely to let Carl surpass him.

[Ehecatl]

BB is at heart a fighting game. The fact that people would even speculate that it would stick to a story based trilogy is ridiculous. If it stay popular enough they'll make more with more and more BS storylines as GG has shown us.

I will disagree with you here. While I have no doubt they'd make spin-offs out the ass or additional games with no story and just fighting, the main story will most likely stick to a predetermined format. Hell-- up until this point it has! You can easily see by the way they've built both Calamity Trigger and Continuum Shift that they haven't been making up the story as they go. I'd guess the series would go to a trilogy based off of the pace it is going by but whatever. That is not official. The reality is however, BB was originally to be an RPG before Aksys got screwed in its court battle with Sega over the Guilty Gear series and they had been developing that story for 3 years prior to its release. If I'd guess, that's probably one of the reasons BB has a far better developed story with 2 games than GG has had in its myriad of various games.

So I would hesitate to compare GG to BB. They may both be fighting games, but just looking at the way both games have been going will tell you that assumption isn't one which can so easily be made. Now... after the story is finished will they make more? Probably. Stuff with crossovers between BB and GG and shit most likely. But I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt they will just make the same story go on and on. The set up, the pacing, the execution-- its all way too straight-forward, too focused. Were it as you said, I doubt CS would be nearly so developed as it is. With the way it has been made, were that true, they could have separated the plot in that one game across two or three!

Besides take a look at GG and BB. In GG, people fight half the time for NO reason what-so-ever. Sure BB has its characters that fight for stupid reasons, such as Bang or Tao. But those characters are supposed to be comic relief-- and even they have good reasons from time to time! In fact, most of the time in BB, there's a good reason for the fights and they actually help push the development of the plot. In GG, fights are pretty much forced and slapped on like this:

Slayer: "Hey I'm old. Lets fight." (Literally in Accent Core, this is his one and only reason-- and it never changes) Jam: "Hey I got a restaurant, lets fight." May: "Hey you're bald. Lets fight." Testament: "Rawr, you stepped in my forest. Lets fight." Robo-ky: "GRGKK, I'M HORNY! LET'S FIGHT!" Axl Low: "I don't know where I am. Oh well-- lets fight!" Sol Badguy vs Order Sol. Order Sol: "Its not smart for us to fight so why?" Sol Badguy: "Hell if I know, Lets fight!" I mean-- really? Just looking at half the lame excuses people had to fight in GG, you can tell the developers were just reaching for shit because they had no real reason and just wanted to keep the fighting going since GG is a 'fighting' game. And with the way BBCS was built, it made all those seemingly useless side characters in its story actually serve a purpose to the main plot, whereas half the character roister in GG serve no purpose at all to the story. They're just there.

So--- to end my wall of text, I will say that I very much disagree with your assertion and due to Aksys's careful attention to BB's story plot all up to this point, I believe its safe to actually look upon it with some optimism. Hopefully, I won't jinx myself in harboring such beliefs.

[smooshman]

So I would hesitate to compare GG to BB. They may both be fighting games, but just looking at the way both games have been going will tell you that assumption isn't one which can so easily be made. Now... after the story is finished will they make more? Probably. Stuff with crossovers between BB and GG and shit most likely. But I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt they will just make the same story go on and on. The set up, the pacing, the execution-- its all way too straight-forward, too focused. Were it as you said, I doubt CS would be nearly so developed as it is. With the way it has been made, were that true, they could have separated the plot in that one game across two or three!

he never said that, if anything, they could just do the AC+ thing of making a series of loosely related stories about the characters doing random shit and having some character developement.

[Ehecatl]

he never said that, if anything, they could just do the AC+ thing of making a series of loosely related stories about the characters doing random shit and having some character developement.

Again though, from observing the development of both games-- I would highly disagree with that assertion. Hell... if CS is supposed to be the BB 1.5 with all its development, I really doubt they'd take that route then. And if they wanted to go that way, they could have easily done this with CS and split the current plot of it across 2 or 3 games. There's enough detail and story there to easily do that. But they didn't. Perhaps you could argue that its because they weren't sure it'd be popular enough but still. Not likely. There's too much there now for them to simply start throwing bullshit stories like AC+ out.

[Shadow Draygon]

Look at every fighting game ever made.

Look at BB.

Don't tell me it will be different.

[ChrisX]

I will disagree with you here. While I have no doubt they'd make spin-offs out the ass or additional games with no story and just fighting, the main story will most likely stick to a predetermined format. Hell-- up until this point it has! You can easily see by the way they've built both Calamity Trigger and Continuum Shift that they haven't been making up the story as they go. I'd guess the series would go to a trilogy based off of the pace it is going by but whatever. That is not official. The reality is however, BB was originally to be an RPG before Aksys got screwed in its court battle with Sega over the Guilty Gear series and they had been developing that story for 3 years prior to its release. If I'd guess, that's probably one of the reasons BB has a far better developed story with 2 games than GG has had in its myriad of various games.

Uh... where is it said that BB was formerly said to be developed as an RPG?

[Jam-Kiske]

I'm pretty sure upon being asked about that Mori said it was some false rumor.

Anyway, supposedly the ending is already planned out.

But if the game is successful enough I'm sure there'll just be more plots.