BladeOfJustice7 Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 Hakumen (who is much stronger now, comapred to ct) and jin caused minimal damage to mu. Says a lot about her strength.
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 it doesn't really matter how strong your weapon is if she's broken after you grab her head...once... mu's gone now and took ZERO casualties (ok she killed the entire nol branch but that was for tempering) where as the black beast killed half the planet...i think we know who is stronger...
dragontamer Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 ragna dosen't really best her in a fight, he just grabs her head (getting himself shot along the way) and snaps her out of it Good point. And he had to sacrifice his arm as well. Its more like Ragna was the only guy who could have stopped Mu (not necessarily defeat her). Well, I guess Terumi could have sacrified his BlazBlue as well, but I doubt he'd do that.
ZeroForever Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 not really, when ragna becames the BB in his bad end, they pretty much say he has no chance since humanity already has tons of ars maguses and gets killed. The main reason the BB was dangerous was because they didn't have weapons that could kill it until Nine made the ars maguses.
mAc Chaos Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 not really, when ragna becames the BB in his bad end, they pretty much say he has no chance since humanity already has tons of ars maguses and gets killed. The main reason the BB was dangerous was because they didn't have weapons that could kill it until Nine made the ars maguses. I don't think he became the BB... he just seemed to become a humanoid Black Beast that was basically a cripple or something. I never quite understood that ending. He couldn't have become the REAL Black Beast without fusing with Nu.
InfinityClimax Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 In his Bad end, his 'cauldron' (grimoire, blazblue, whatever you want to call it) went haywire and berserk, just like it did to form the Black Beast. Since he only had 'half' of the fake Blazblue, I would assume he could only be 'half' of the black beast. He was the body but he lacked the heart.
Circuitous Posted August 21, 2010 Author Posted August 21, 2010 You guys lose focus easy, don't you? The whole Ragna is Bloodedge is such poor writing. Is it ever explained how Ragna goes from being beaten and stabbed to death by Nu and then suddenly becomes more powerful than all the Six Heroes combined when he goes back in time and loses his memories? Think about it for a second. Azure Grimoire (fake or not) = absorb souls -> heal yourself. Nu-13 = absorb souls + steal Azure (NOT fusing with Ragna!) -> become ultimate weapon. Cauldron = giant well of souls being smelted TIME LOOP! Nu-13 = Black Beast. Ragna = healed, with only one arm left. IMPORTANT POINTS: Ragna could heal inside the Cauldron, Nu-13 only fuses with his Azure Grimoire (arm). Azure Grimoire overloaded with souls, not merged with Murakumo = severely weakened, borderline-non-functional Black Beast (see Ragna's bad endings in both games).
Shadow Draygon Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 Still doesn't explain why Ragna was such a badass at holding off the Black Beast while the entire world and the Six Heroes chilled out for a year trying to find a way to deal with it. Life link or not, that's a huge plot hole.
mundus Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 The black beast is when Ragna and Nu fuses, his arm by itself isn't the black beast. If you are referring to *Spoilers* the fact that Nu's soul is with him in the end of CS. I think that for them to be merged into the black beast, both the grimoires has to be combined in a cauldron and Nu's body is not with Ragna, just her soul. *End Spoilers*
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 actually i think the life-link is a perfect explanation. ragna, rebel or not, is a good guy, and I figure he'd do whatever he could to keep the black beast at bay. so whether he was fighting the beast the whole time, or he was being absorbed (i seem to remmember them saying it ate him and then just stopped). He would still be alive as long as Nu (blackbeast) is alive. So he could be absorbed and sweet talked nu, or fought back against it while being absorbed, or anything we don't really know but he wasn't dead while inside because the black beast life-link kept him alive, so he could hold the thing off by whatever means while inside it for as long as he could bare to do it.
Circuitous Posted August 21, 2010 Author Posted August 21, 2010 NU FUSES WITH THE AZURE GRIMOIRE, NOT RAGNA. THIS IS WHY RAGNA IS ABLE TO FIGHT THE BLACK BEAST. BECAUSE HE ISN'T THE BLACK BEAST. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? Still doesn't explain why Ragna was such a badass at holding off the Black Beast while the entire world and the Six Heroes chilled out for a year trying to find a way to deal with it. Life link or not, that's a huge plot hole. We have no idea what power he could've gained through the Cauldron. For all we know he hit the Boundary and pulled a Litchi, multiplying his power for every time he ever got looped. The Bloodedge that fought the Black Beast could've just been Ragna x 100. Or maybe it was just wimpy, one-armed, no-Azure Ragna wailing on a Black Beast that can't kill him without killing itself and waiting to be absorbed. It's not a plot-hole just because you don't know what happened.
killionaire Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 Circ, lay off the spec thread. It's not good for your mental health. I can totally imagine you breaking at some point if you continue.
Shadow Draygon Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 We have no idea what power he could've gained through the Cauldron. For all we know he hit the Boundary and pulled a Litchi, multiplying his power for every time he ever got looped. The Bloodedge that fought the Black Beast could've just been Ragna x 100. Or maybe it was just wimpy, one-armed, no-Azure Ragna wailing on a Black Beast that can't kill him without killing itself and waiting to be absorbed. It's not a plot-hole just because you don't know what happened.
Circuitous Posted August 21, 2010 Author Posted August 21, 2010 Yes, that is exactly how they work. No sarcasm, that's literally the entire idea behind their existence. Lifeless Clone + Cauldron = Murakumo Research Assistant + Cauldron = Top-tier Bitch Researcher + Cauldron = Bug Bag Lunatic capable of partially leveling cities + Cauldron = can fight the Black Beast for a year.
Lou_Cypher Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 So when Terumi tossed Carl into the Cauldron in one of the endings, I wonder what happened there? He gets sent to the past, gains power and semi-immortality and changes his name to Relius... Wait a minute....
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 So when Terumi tossed Carl into the Cauldron in one of the endings, I wonder what happened there? He gets sent to the past, gains power and semi-immortality and changes his name to Relius... Wait a minute.... please don't start the "i'm my own father." Thing...please...
Circuitous Posted August 21, 2010 Author Posted August 21, 2010 Falling into a Cauldron doesn't necessarily mean you time loop, even though that would be hilarious.
Akiro Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 Terumi doesn't toss Carl into the cauldron, he just throws him against the spire and knocks him out.
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 Terumi doesn't toss Carl into the cauldron, he just throws him against the spire and knocks him out. i was wondering where him getting thrown in happened =p they wouldn't timeloop little carl...
ChrisX Posted August 22, 2010 Posted August 22, 2010 Litchi probably knows ALOT more than she lets on. I mean, what else could that whole "Information flowing in from the boundary" thing she said in Carl's arcade mode mean? ... Though her story mode implies that she doesn't know a lot. Otherwise, why would her reactions towards Rachel imply more of "I'm out of options! This is the only way!" rather than "Shut up! I have my own plan, and I'll not let you interfere!" This sounds more like she completely gave up in other options... On Relius, I also get a theory that before he was a madman, he used to be a sane man, but somehow, he met Terumi, made a deal with the devil at cost of turning into a madman he is today in exchange of SOMETHING. But... I just can't make a assumption of what's his situation and what's his past deal.
FormerlyUnknown Posted August 22, 2010 Posted August 22, 2010 i dont think relius made a deal with TERUMI, i mean the dudes evil but he's not the source of all evil. besides relius and terumi act like equal and relius seems to beleive he is even a little above terumi (i'm not sure what relius's rank is) haveing no trouble telling him what to do. i think the dudes just evil, he likes makeing puppets, he ran out of subjects, so he used his family. not sure what he has to do with the nol and imperator tho (aside from the cloneing, creation of murakumo) or why the girl he experimented on is now his boss
smooshman Posted August 22, 2010 Posted August 22, 2010 On Relius, I also get a theory that before he was a madman, he used to be a sane man, but somehow, he met Terumi, made a deal with the devil at cost of turning into a madman he is today in exchange of SOMETHING. But... I just can't make a assumption of what's his situation and what's his past deal. I think he's a terrible person, and has always been a terrible person.... not everyone bad has to have been nice at some point, Terumi has been a dick since forever, and Relius looks like the same type... except instead of a troll he's a complete monster.
Irikarul Posted August 22, 2010 Posted August 22, 2010 (i'm not sure what relius's rank is) Relius is a Colonel, while Hazama is a Captain. Assuming ranks in the intelligence dept. don't work differently than the rest of the NOL, Relius would definitely be his superior, not to mention creator.
Shadow Draygon Posted August 22, 2010 Posted August 22, 2010 Well their rank in the NOL wouldn't exactly equal their rankings with each other. Hazama probably just like his lower rank because it gives him free time to troll and less paper work, heh. As for their roles as villains, they seem to do an equal share.
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