Continuum Shift SPECULATION/THEORIES

[Super Robot War]

Saya is a reincarnation of their former leader? That would negate age.

[NumeroGaijin]

Ahh ok I see what you mean. But Hazama seems like he really wants to be in charge of everything sometimes. I wonder if he could have killed little Saya back then. Something tells me he couldn't since she probably had her powers back then. To me though it seems like they (the bad guys individually) are trying to go after a different goal. Besides imo I don't think Hazama likes any of them.

[mAc Chaos]

It's from the information in BB Material Collection. The book mentioned that the reason why Rachel turned Jin into Hakumen is so that Ragna can be reborn. And that Rachel never stopped Ragna from meeting Nu even though she knew Ragna + Nu = Black Beast because she genuinely hoped he would come out on top.

Well, look at it this way: if Ragna fails, the whole thing is gonna happen over again, so it's not like everything is at stake, per se. She can just keep letting it loop until she gets the outcome she wants.

Although, I'm not sure if it's guaranteed that everything loops. I always thought it was possible that everything could just go downhill and the world would be destroyed for good, etc., were it not for Hakumen stepping in every single time and such and all the other events happening the way they did.

[harmless kitten]

i think it's jin's story mode in cs.

very minor nitpick, but if you're going by the story mode in cs then technically jin had it for 2 years before the church burning because it's already the new year in cs.

The material collection's actually full of interesting hints. Like the acknowledgment of the existence of the initial loop, but it doesn't go into detail

It is indeed from CS, specifically Jin's story mode, just after he fights Ragna.

Really? All Ragna says is "over ten years" iirc, for all we know Jin actually could've had it for twelve years and Ragna's just rounding down to ten.

[zephyr07]

It is indeed from CS, specifically Jin's story mode, just after he fights Ragna.

Really? All Ragna says is "over ten years" iirc, for all we know Jin actually could've had it for twelve years and Ragna's just rounding down to ten.

the main problem with these time discrepancies is that the character's ages are never explictly stated (as far as I know.) The "over ten years" part may just be an expression for several years, but again, it's really the problem about how old all the characters really are.

[harmless kitten]

the main problem with these time discrepancies is that the character's ages are never explictly stated (as far as I know.) The "over ten years" part may just be an expression for several years, but again, it's really the problem about how old all the characters really are.

Oh god, the ages. They are never stated, and I'm sure this is very very intentional, but it is pretty bothersome. Although imo Ragna is about 24/23 to me, with Jin being 3 years younger. The only surefire thing is that I'd put Ragna's age at the time of the church burning to be 15-17 based on his looks and voice, and Jin 11-14 (Jin might have been a late bloomer, meh), but hell, anime ages.

[RottenAvocado]

I'm starting to wonder if the 'Saya' that Jin and Ragna new was nothing more of a clone, much like Noel and Nu. Then again, they seemed pretty sure it was 'their' Saya when they saw her, and she had purple hair for goodness sake. It'd be crazy if the Saya they knew turned out to be Noel.

[kylehyde]

I'm starting to wonder if the 'Saya' that Jin and Ragna new was nothing more of a clone, much like Noel and Nu. Then again, they seemed pretty sure it was 'their' Saya when they saw her, and she had purple hair for goodness sake. It'd be crazy if the Saya they knew turned out to be Noel.

I think that the Imperator Saya is the real one because Ragna would know who the real Saya is since he really loves her. I don't think he would make that mistake

[p-kun]

A bit more about the new drama CD (I've only heard halfway), but a lot of nice info in addition to what Zephyr has written.

Prologue: Church burning, Relius is chanting some poem. Terumi comes and throws unconscious Saya to Relius. Relius calls her important "Vessel". Relius asks about the other kid Terumi has because he's not needed. Terumi says that he's the one that wants Jin, since the power of order is useful. Relius asks about the Azure. Terumi gleefully says that he chopped off his hand when Ragna was spacing out. They need to leave because Rachel is coming. Terumi then tells Relius to make his body properly. Relius says that Terumi's vessel needs more time to finish. Terumi's parting word is for Ragna to work hard to be useful.

[Tokkan]

Vessel? So Saya is not actually the Imperator, the Imperator is just inhabiting her body? That's what the word "vessel" would imply.

[harmless kitten]

Whoa. It'd make a good bit of sense if Saya was just a shell, really. No one except Ragna and Jin call her Saya anyway, her name in the speech boxes is just Imperator, and everyone else just calls her Imperator/"her."

Also, according to Sesame, Jin says something along the lines of "one more moon will fall." I'm getting the sinking feeling that we're still at the tip of the iceberg when it comes to BlazBlue's plot. D:

It's probably meaningless, but what poem is Ragna chanting? A prayer or just something random?

[p-kun]

Whoa. It'd make a good bit of sense if Saya was just a shell, really. No one except Ragna and Jin call her Saya anyway, her name in the speech boxes is just Imperator, and everyone else just calls her Imperator/"her."

Also, according to Sesame, Jin says something along the lines of "one more moon will fall." I'm getting the sinking feeling that we're still at the tip of the iceberg when it comes to BlazBlue's plot. D:

It's probably meaningless, but what poem is Ragna chanting? A prayer or just something random?

Relius was the one talking, and he was basically describing Ragna's situation (Terumi called it a poem, but it's more like narration). Something about being attacked so sudden, being so helpless, the only thing left was anger. Blah Blah.

Part 2: Long Reunion

Basically what Zephyr said. It's about how Tsubaki reports the first time to Jin. She is very nervous and practices calling him "Major Kisaragi" outside the door. When she enters in, Jin asks what she's doing here. Jin doesn't know that she's coming because he doesn't read her assignment documents. Tsubaki pouts. Jin tells her to stop calling him Jin nii-sama in the office. She gets flustered and Jin smiles.

Relius comes to see Hazama and asks where that thing from Ikaruga. Hazama says that it's in the lab. Before Relius leaves, Hazama says that he has a request.

I can only add one thing. Jin is very formal (read: cold) to her. More like, he sounds so... dead, as in no will to live.

[KeasbeyKnight]

I can only add one thing. Jin is very formal (read: cold) to her. More like, he sounds so... dead, as in no will to live.

I remember Jin saying in his CS story mode that he had given up on the world, was it kind of like that maybe? I suppose whatever triggered him to be like that happens pretty much every time loop?

[p-kun]

Part 3: Friendly Daily

Tsubaki catches Jin, who is trying to skip a meeting. She reprimands him and he gives up. He says that he's going to come back in time for the meeting. He tells her not to eat to much sweets and leaves.

Makoto hugs her from behind. The two exchanges greetings and Makoto tells Tsubaki that she has chocolate on her cheek. Tsubaki gets very embarrassed, especially because earlier Jin spots her with it. She laments why he didn't tell her directly. Makoto says that him telling her indirectly is already more than what most people get. Tsubaki complains that he's very cold and secretive after the war. Makoto agrees that he's nicer before, but now he spaces out a lot. Tsubaki says that she doesn't expect him to return to what he was but she hopes to be able to make him a bit less cold.

Makoto invites her to eat chocolate parfait. It seems that Tsubaki really likes chocolate. They talks about the grim reaper. Tsubaki knows nothing about the grim reaper. Makoto cannot tell her more about that because it's still confidential, but the higher ups are scrambling for a counter measure. Tsubaki wants a world without war and believes that the peace is maintained by NOL, so attacking NOL equals attacking peace. Makoto agrees.

Hazama comes. He comes to the cafe for lunch because it has good boiled eggs or sth. He introduces himself to Tsubaki and snidely remarks that being a daughter of duodecim, she will soon be his superior. He asks Tsubaki if she is hanging there because Jin is pretty famous for being eccentric. He wonders if Jin is being nice to her because there is something between them. Tsubaki gets really angry. Hazama leaves after paying for Tsubaki and Makoto's bill, saying that there might not be another chance to do so. Before leaving, he tells Makoto to report to him after this.

Makoto rages about Hazama, saying that his fake smile annoys the heck out of her. Makoto really hates liars. And that he definitely enjoys insulting people despite being polite. Tsubaki tells her to turn her voice down when talking bad about her superior.

Hazama meets Relius and asks about a certain issue. Relius says, no problem. Relius is interested in Makoto, saying she makes a good ingredient for a Nox. Spirits about Noxes are more about quality than quantity. Strong spirits are the best. Relius says he learns this from Ada, her daughter.

[Irikarul]

Relius is interested in Makoto, saying she makes a good ingredient for a Nox. Spirits about Noxes are more about quality than quantity. Strong spirits are the best. Relius says he learns this from Ada, her daughter.

So Relius was planning on turning Makoto into a Nox as well?! How has she survived thus far?

Also, I noticed he mentioned that Ada had a strong enough spirit to turn into Nirvana. But what kind of strong spirit is he referring to? I'm guessing kindness and/or loyalty in Ada's case, but does this Drama CD ever mention?

[p-kun]

So Relius was planning on turning Makoto into a Nox as well?! How has she survived thus far?

Also, I noticed he mentioned that Ada had a strong enough spirit to turn into Nirvana. But what kind of strong spirit is he referring to? I'm guessing kindness and/or loyalty in Ada's case, but does this Drama CD ever mention?

No more info provided what "strong" spirit means.

I put in summary of part 4 in information thread, because I think it belongs there.

[Circuitous]

Do her Blodia punch. That kinda spirit.

[zenieth]

I've always wondered this. In CT, Ragna notes that he drinks blood to heal himself, ala rachel influence, yet in CS we discover that the Blazblue allows him to tear souls from the body. Is it safe to say that whenever Ragna actually releases 666 he's combining his vampirism and soul devouring powers into one while his normal drive is just him drinking his opponent's blood?

[Circuitous]

His normal drive causes glowing balls of light to flow out of the opponent and into his arm. In no way could that be construed as drinking blood.

[George Costanza]

I always thought that was the whole soul eating aspect of soul eater/

[zenieth]

Hey It's there in the audio files, drinking blood even though he doesn't like it.

[harmless kitten]

Unused audio files.

Ragna's drive, unlimited or not, is the Azure Grimoire--Soul Eater, the Azure Grimoire devours souls, disabled drive, many of his drive attacks look like bits of the Black Beast (Dead Spike in particular).

Idk, I lean to the side of Ragna being half-vampire although it has no significance on the story so far, but I think it's clear Azure Grimoire = Drive.

[zephyr07]

the problem is that rachel only bit ragna once, in the initial loop. whether the after effects carry over to subsequent loops is up for debate. unless arcsys publishes a new source that states ragna is half vampire, i think its quite safe to say he's normal (or about as normal as one gets in the bb world) with the azure as his right arm.

[p-kun]

Additionally, his eye stops working at the same time as his right arm. That's definitely not a coincidence. If his eye is really from Rachel, why it should not stop working the moment he loses the blazblue.

To nitpick though, the BBMC says he was bitten in one of the earlier loops so, not necessarily the first one.

BTW, I'm done summarizing the whole drama CD in the information thread. There are many useful little info about the world of BB.

[mAc Chaos]

In that case, it leaves the possibility open for yet a third Ragna character. One that gains full control over his vampire powers or becomes full vampire or something.