Blazblue: Short Stories and Novel Discussion

[sg1989]

No, there haven't been confirmed as far as I know that they are the same.

 

What I think that is known about Es is: Es are short for Embryo Storage, which is also known under the name Manifestation Boundary Contact Prime Field. They are Homunculus created by Unomaru Souichirou.

There were a total of 10 units. The original Es and nine Es-N(nu). The first 8 was destroyed while the 9th worked with Mei and Touya. The original Es inherited the Embryo and stayed inside the Boundary.

 

The Es letter have been seen on art work on Ragna(5), Lambda(11) and Minerva(3). Kiiro has a mark on her chest that also has the writing Es No07.

 

 

Terumi Saya, Naoto's younger biological sister. Both her and Naoto was born in the Terumi family, one of the 4 big branch families of Amanohokosaka clan.

Saya awakend the Soul Eater five years ago and killed the entire Terumi clan, with the exception of Naoto.

Naoto is the heir to the Terumi family, and possess the Hunter's Eye as proof of that.

 

 

But wait, the murakumo units (1-10) were not built after the dark war?

While the units 11-13 long after ?

[VermilionBird]

http://blazblue.wikia.com/wiki/History
The first of the Boundary Interface Murakumo Units were developed 2099/12/31 onwards. 
Numbers 11-13 would be developed some time between Relius' arrival (unknown, but given Ada's older appearance, it can be assumed late 2170's - early 2180's) and 2195 (the beginning of That which is inherited)
If we take into account that Kokonoe told Tager in his BBMC short story Trust You that Lambda would rot if left long enough, then she probably isn't all that older than Noel herself (6 years old).

If that wasn't enough to convince you then numbers 11-13 are all modeled after Saya. Saya was kidnapped in 2192, meaning that the oldest that Lambda could possibly be is 8 years old. So the age difference between 01 and 13 is about 100 years, with models 11-12 being made, at the most, 8 years before the 13th.
As for 2-10, they could have been made at any point. It's possible that some models (such as 7-10) were made between Relius' arrival and Lambda's birth, but it's probably highly unlikely that models 2-10 could have all been made in that short period if it took Relius 8 years to develop three of them. Still, it's possible.

[sg1989]

http://blazblue.wikia.com/wiki/History

The first of the Boundary Interface Murakumo Units were developed 2099/12/31 onwards. 

Numbers 11-13 would be developed some time between Relius' arrival (unknown, but given Ada's older appearance, it can be assumed late 2170's - early 2180's) and 2195 (the beginning of That which is inherited)

If we take into account that Kokonoe told Tager in his BBMC short story Trust You that Lambda would rot if left long enough, then she probably isn't all that older than Noel herself (6 years old).

If that wasn't enough to convince you then numbers 11-13 are all modeled after Saya. Saya was kidnapped in 2192, meaning that the oldest that Lambda could possibly be is 8 years old. So the age difference between 01 and 13 is about 100 years, with models 11-12 being made, at the most, 8 years before the 13th.

As for 2-10, they could have been made at any point. It's possible that some models (such as 7-10) were made between Relius' arrival and Lambda's birth, but it's probably highly unlikely that models 2-10 could have all been made in that short period if it took Relius 8 years to develop three of them. Still, it's possible.

No don't worry i believe you, thanks for the help

But, I'm still confused.

Bloodedge experience take place before 2099 right?

How can the unit No07(if it is indeed a murakumo unit) exist when the first has yet to be created?

Or I'm just doing it all wrong XD?

Sorry for my stupid questions but, i'm very confused now XD

 

[Shinhwa]

Wait a minute then I don't get it. Just since when did Hazama or even Yuki Terumi start existing...?

 

And Mei was actually mentioned in the novel? So how many years would it be since XBLAZE Code:Embryo?

[Blade]

https://twitter.com/zatuyoP/status/535021304017977344

 

Mori says that spoiling the last 6 pages of BE part 2 is not allowed.

 

He doesn't live in the U.S. so his opinion doesn't count here!

 

It's his fault for not including Library Mode in BBCP anyway.

 

XBlaze starts in 2050, the first parts of BlazBlue (before the loops) take place in 2099.

[Master Of Chaos]

It was the localization team's decision to cut Library Mode from the U.S. CP release, not Mori's. Get your damn facts right.

 

Anyway, it's possible that the Hazama in Bloodedge Experience was Terumi using the name as an alias before he decided to settle on "Yuuki Termui." He might've just given the name to the Hazama we know today out of fondness for it. That, or there was more than one vessel that was given the name "Hazama."

[Blade]

Localization team still answers to the director I would think, but that's semantics.

 

Still, what he said doesn't mean much if you live in the U.S. and won't be getting content localized much here anyway unless someone wants to publish the books/other content here.

 

I could see if someone uploaded Japanese content... but if it was in English I'm not so sure they'd care.

[Zedar90]

But wait, the murakumo units (1-10) were not built after the dark war?

While the units 11-13 long after ?

The 1st unit was made by Relius and Ayatsuki in the year 2099. However, there had been existing prime field's before that, since the 0th unit was made before that point in time and it's creator have been hinted to not been Relius.

 

In Xblaze, there was a total of 9 prime fields, Kiiro could very well have been made out of the 8 killed Es-N in Xblaze due to her very similar appearance to Es, I just went back and re-read that part. It was Spinner's bugs that had killed and chop some of her sisters into pieces.

示現境界接続用素体 and 次元境界接続用素体 have the same reading, it's only the 2 the first Kanji's that have changed,

 

Let's just say that Kiiro is likely not part of the series created after Relius got involved.

 

And Mei was actually mentioned in the novel? So how many years would it be since XBLAZE Code:Embryo?

Mei mentioned in the Novel as the head of the Amanohokosaka clan. Her name uses the same Kanji as in Xblaze, as well as the way the letter was worded to Naoto was similar to that of the way she spoke in Xblaze. So I'm pretty sure they are the same person.

 

No exact year have been given to both BE and C:E, but at most it should be 40 years between them (C:E 2050, BE 2090)

[cr1ms0n]

My mind hurts from all this stuck. Anyway, do Valkenhayn and Relius only appear during the end? And also, what happens to Raquel over the course of the story?

[VermilionBird]

My mind hurts from all this stuck. Anyway, do Valkenhayn and Relius only appear during the end? And also, what happens to Raquel over the course of the story?

I'll be putting up Valkenhayn and Relius' roles in the story on their Wiki pages at some point today. 

Raquel gets taken by Spinner at some point in the story and they 'fuse' until Naoto saves her using Bloodedge. That's about as much as I know at any rate.

EDIT

Valks and Relius are done.

[Zedar90]

My mind hurts from all this stuck. Anyway, do Valkenhayn and Relius only appear during the end? And also, what happens to Raquel over the course of the story?

Collapsed: Relius and Valkenhayn:

Relius and Valkenhayn appears during a scene where they killed one of Spinner's bug. Saya comes there and attacks Valkenhayn, because he had done the sin of killing her big brother (Valkenhayn killed Naoto twice in part 2).

During the fight between Saya and Valkenhayn, Relius stands around watching, and thinks that Saya has a good soul and tells Valkenhayn not to kill her.

After some fighting, Relius gets surprised at seeing Saya using Soul Eater.

Saya got a grip on Valkenhayn and started to drain his life. Saya asked Relius if he wasn't going to save Valkenhayn, but Relius saved it was about time, and Saya fell to the ground. Saya could only fight for 3 minutes, after that, she gets paralyzed. Saya is very sick and frail girl, so she uses some kind of magic to make it possible for her to fight.

As Valkenhayn is about to attack Saya, Naoto comes and protects her. While a fight is about to begin between Valkenhayn and Naoto, Spinner's darkness came and took Saya.

 

While Naoto and Raquel ran after Spinner, Relius and Valkenhayn ran around to destroy some areas that Spinner had put up to strengthen his magic, and after those areas had been destroyed they would send Kiiro to attack Spinner.

 

Later sometime during the fight between Spinner and Naoto, Relius and Valkenhayn would sneak there and take Saya while no one noticed it. And a bit later, Relius would create a new left arm and right leg for Naoto that he lost during the battle with Spinner.

 

Collapsed: Raquel:

Now for Raquel, five years before, Clavis was fighting a user of Soul Eater, which lead to all those mass disappearings. During the last battle, Clavis found an Azure ball, an Embryo. And that Embryo would later take the shape of Raquel.

When Raquel first woke up, Clavis taught her that her name was Raquel. In her first months Calivs taught her things about the world such as life, death, the Azure and for Raquel it felt like eternity.

The months after that felt like hell for Raquel, Clavis connected Raquel to the boundary. As Raquel was gaining knowledge from the Boundary, it was too painful for her so she screamed for help, but Clavis didn't do anything.

As Raquel felt like she was going to disappear, she saw a light with a man standing in it. It was a man with white hair and red eye(s). Raquel started to unconsciously call a name that wasn't her father, and the man took her hand and pulled her. The man and the light disappeared, and instead Raquel saw the azure, and Raquel could feel an azure heart beat. And with that, Raquel was freed from her pain.

 

I will now jump to the climax.

Naoto and Raquel had just defeated one of Spinner's most powerful bugs, and Raquel stated that Spinner had lost. Spinner said that he never thought that he would win over her, that he would gain her and his shadow grew larger, and some kind of spider came out of it and grabbed Raquel and pulled her into the "spider". Spinner would later become one with the spider, upper half was spinner while the other half was that of a spider. Spinner said that he had merged with Raquel, the key to reach the azure, and opened a portal to the boundary.

Naoto tried to punch Spinner with his right arm, but due to Spinner having merged with Raquel, Naoto's link with Raquel had become weaker and the arm became a pool of blood.

Naoto tried to fight Spinner again, however he got his left arm and right leg cut off. As Naoto went unconscious due to the blood loss, he was in a black space and heard a man talking to him. Naoto couldn't hear what the man said, but Naoto didn't care who it was as long as he could help him get back Raquel.

The man came closer to Naoto, but Naoto couldn't see who it was. The man stretched out a black arm and hit Naoto in the chest.

With that impact, Naoto woke up and the wounds stopped to bleed, and instead a black fog came pouring out and took the shape of an arm and a leg. Naoto stood up and his hair had turned white and eyes red, and he formed a big scythe made out of blood. Naoto used the scythe to cut Spinner several times, and with his last slash he said: "... get devoured by the darkness... You bug bastard!!"

Naoto would then go into the darkness and pull out Raquel form it.

As Raquel was pulled out, she thought for herself that she did choose "Him".

Naoto noticed that his right arm was back now that Raquel had been pulled out, and that the black leg and arm was gone.

Naoto then saw Spinner becoming something like Arakune telling Naoto to give back his azure and began to talk and soon words disappeared in his talk.

But before Spinner could reach Naoto and Raquel, Kiiro used the Murakumo unit to attack Spinner and told him that she won't let him touch Naoto anymore with his dirty hands.

Kiiro fought Spinner until he got sucked into the boundary and the portal disappeared.

 

While in the hospital after Kiiro had told that she was a prime field and left, Naoto asked Raquel why she had chosen him. Raquel didn't answer him, and instead put her head on Naoto's chest, and said that she hears an Azure heart beat from him. Raquel then repeats the order she said to Naoto when she saved him "Naoto, get the azure in your possession, and then find me".

[Shinhwa]

Wait a minute... something sounds strange here... So Embryo = became Raquel, and then she even met with the Azure...?

 

Why does this sound the same as what Es did in XBLAZE?

Also if it is true that Raquel = Rachel Alucard, so wouldn't this mean... Rachel was adopted, and she was born out of the Embryo... Then....

 

Also... Black arm and legs...? Azure Grimoire? This sounds the same as how Ragna's BlazBlue is a Black Arm O_o

 

And a blood scythe... YEAH..... Totally "Blood-Scythe" =w=;

 

Dat line with Devoured by Darkness... >_>

 

I really... really wonder if Naoto is Ragna... or specifically Ragna's soul ._.

 

WAAAAAAAY too many similarities here O_O

 

Mei mentioned in the Novel as the head of the Amanohokosaka clan. Her name uses the same Kanji as in Xblaze, as well as the way the letter was worded to Naoto was similar to that of the way she spoke in Xblaze. So I'm pretty sure they are the same person.

No exact year have been given to both BE and C:E, but at most it should be 40 years between them (C:E 2050, BE 2090)

So that would be like saying Mei is in her 50's during C:E.

I wonder if the rest of the cast from XBLAZE still alive and active during the time :I

Also Zedar, how is Saya's personality in the series? Are there any similarities to how Izanami was or did she have any similarities to the "Saya" who was Ragna's brother?

Although now that I see it, it seems that her "weak body" is similar to how Saya in BlazBlue was? Considering both had weak bodies.

[ComboFish]

Dunno where you're getting Rachel = Raquel from. Rachel appeared in the first Bloodedge Experience and was very much a separate person.

On a related tangent, Rachel completely lacked one of those "life force" numbers. Take that how you will.

[D.R.F.]

Naoto was in the bath, after he had been there for a while, Raquel came into the bath thinking that Naoto was already finished with his.

Raquel says she doesn't feel anything special if she sees her servant naked, since when would one care if a dog had clothes on or not, and she ordered Naoto to wash her hair.

What a bitch

[Zedar90]

Also Zedar, how is Saya's personality in the series? Are there any similarities to how Izanami was or did she have any similarities to the "Saya" who was Ragna's brother?

 

To put it simply, Saya in BE is basically what one would get if one combined Saya with Jin.

 

Also, the only new thing learned about the "Rachel" that Naoto saw, was that when Naoto saw that, she tried to do a phenomena Intervention on him, but it failed and all she accomplished was to stop time for a moment instead of shifting an "possibility".

[Blade]

Spinner > Arakune > "Failed" Black Beast?

[Zedar90]

This is what Raquel said about it: "He was opening was a portal to the "boundary", but that was something he could only have done while having me taken inside of him. But when you ripped me out, he lost the control over the portal and is getting his entire existence sucked into it"

 

After that Spinner said: "Give it back to me... the azure. Give it back... give it back, give it back. That's mine, my azure... Eat, eat eat eat eat eat eat eat!"

 

The rest I give up trying to translate, so here is the Japanese text instead:

 

蒼への至る鍵だ私の鍵だ崇高なる知識の深淵へ誘う高潔なるその手に触れるな下膳の血が蒼を汚　我が手にこそ蒼は相応しい私の蒼だ蒼　あおダア　だアオ、アオ、アオ……繰り返　輪廻の果　に創造　れし真　をこの眼に　すのだ！

[Master Of Chaos]

I tried to get a friend of mine to translate it and he didn't really understand it, but it had something to do with Spinner raving about blueness/greenness, the color of Hazama's azure.

[Zedar90]

I tried to get a friend of mine to translate it and he didn't really understand it, but it had something to do with Spinner raving about blueness/greenness, the color of Hazama's azure.

It doesn't really mean much, it's Spinner saying that Naoto isn't suited to touch Raquel and him going Azure Azure Azure.

This part "蒼への至る鍵だ" (the key to reach the Azure) he is talking about the Embryo, since that is what Calvis also called it.

[raziel12]

so in the past Raquel saw a man with white hair and red eyes not one but two so it couldnt be ragna unless it was a vision from the azure that showed her naoto

 

the only ppl we know that have 2 red eyes so far are Naoto and Toya

 

and we dont know wat other apperance changes toya gremiore does to him besides giving him re eyes and turning him it the black beast

 

not only naoto starting to resemble ranga more and more even his powers starting to in a more modern supernatural way

its like he inherited the will of Toya and Naoto but it also seems that "Red Eyes" seem to hold some important meaning to the Azure like the "Blue Eyes" is the signature to the successor to the Azure

 

since rachel try to do phenomena Intervention on Naoto she must have wanted to prevent him from seeing Raquel

[Zedar90]

so in the past Raquel saw a man with white hair and red eyes not one but two so it couldnt be ragna unless it was a vision from the azure that showed her naoto

 

It never said if it was one or two red eyes on the man, hence I wrote eye(s). But it probably was Naoto, due to she sensing a azure heart beat at that time, as well as from Naoto in the epilogue. And also her order to him when she saved his life: "Get the azure in your possession, and then find me."

[Shinhwa]

Zedar, what is your personal opinion on Naoto so far in contrast to the original series?

[DeathTurn]

Zedar, is it possible for you to give us a chapter breakdown of the novel like you did here?

[Zedar90]

 

Zedar, what is your personal opinion on Naoto so far in contrast to the original series?

 

I see no big difference between Naoto and Ragna, sure they are different, but that is more because of a different upbringing then they are different people. Naoto is a lot calmer, and he can be quiet when getting insulted and can speak polite when he needs to. But Naoto still have a foul mouth when he gets exited, and he usually rushes before thinking straight sometimes.

 

 

Zedar, is it possible for you to give us a chapter breakdown of the novel like you did here?

 

[collapse]Chapter 7: Begins with flashback to Raquel's birth. Cuts then back to Naoto's home with Saya. Saya give Naoto a letter from Mei to Naoto and tells Haruka to leave her and Naoto alone. Haruka and Raquel leaves, and after a while Saya attacks Naoto.

Haruka teaches a little bit about Naoto's background to Raquel, but soon she fells that her life is being drained through Naoto and goes back into Naoto's apartment.

When Saya attacked Naoto, she felt something was off with him, and Naoto explained his situation to her. Knowing that Naoto had been killed, she left but stated that she would return.

 

Chapter 8: The day after at school, Raquel started to get angry on Naoto for never explaining what his relationship with Saya is. But before Naoto said anything about it, he wanted to know about the Soul Eater.

Raquel said that the Soul Eater is the most wicked and most powerful drive. Soul Eater is a drive that drains other people's life and makes it into one power, and at the end turns one into a monster more powerful than Clavis, but that is if the body can handle it, most of the time, the body destroys itself.

Naoto explained to Raquel how Saya was in the past and how she slaughtered the Terumis. Naoto asked Raquel is Saya could be cured from Soul Eater if they get the Azure, and Raquel says that if there is a possibility, the Azure can do it.

Raquel checks up on the 8 drive users in the school, but nothing had changed. Naoto spoke with some knowledge he had gained from Kiiro which put Raquel in a sour mood. Raquel didn't seem to like that Naoto had met with Kiiro in secret, forcing Naoto teach her what he had talked with Kiiro about.

 

Naoto asked Kiiro why she was so fixated on him, she first said that it was because she fell in love at first sight which Naoto said was bullshit, and then she said it was fate.

Kiiro said that she couldn't explain it with words, so she came up with a method and put his hand on her chest. After a while Naoto realized what Kiiro tried to tell him, their heart beats was in complete synchronization.

 

In school, Raquel and Naoto meets Kana, and learns that she has lost all of her memories about Isa. And after that Raquel tells it time for Naoto to train.

Later that day as Naoto and Raquel leaves their home, they met and talks a little with Yuki.

Naoto's training was to look for one of Spinner's apostles and fight it.

after a hard battle, Naoto was able to kill the bug from the apostle.

 

Chapter 9: After the bug had been killed, the Mitsurugi Agency came, but much to Naoto's surprise, Kiiro wasn't there. When he came, he took a bath, but after a while Raquel came into the room and ordered him to clean her hair. After the hair was cleaned, she told Naoto to clean her body, but Naoto did a dogeza instead.

After that Raquel told Naoto that his body had become stronger by the way Clavis had reattached the right arm. Naoto's blood had merged with the vampire blood while not effecting the process to become a vampire.

 

Spinner was checking up on a corpse of a bug of his, and he found out that his bug had been killed by the drive Soul Eater which made him extremely happy.

 

As Naoto was on his way home from school together with Raquel and Haruka, the road became the same way as when he saw that girl looking like a young Raquel. But instead of that girl, he saw Clavis instead. Calvis told Naoto that he had performed a phenomena Intervention, making an intervention on the flow of time, on Naoto in order to get a private chat with him. Normally, a real phenomena Intervention one should be able to make an intervention on possibilities and change them, but Clavis couldn't go that far.

Clavis tells Naoto about Raquel's origin, as well as his goal, which is to give back the world to the humans, and erase all drives, which is the reason why Clavis wants the azure.

Clavis warns Naoto that if he continues to desire the Azure, he will no longer be himself, and that he will be in more pain. And that they will have to fight each other.

 

When the Phenomena Intervention is over, Raquel is angry at Naoto for ignoring her. But after a while, she looks at Naoto and sees a shadow on the other side of him. It was a resemblance. It was someone that "Raquel" shouldn't know. It was like a scene from the distant past, like a scenery from the distant future. She thought dearly for it, and began to make a clumsy smile.

Naoto tried to get a response from Raquel, but she suddenly felt a strong presence from Azure. That there were Drive users using Drives.

 

Chapter 10: Look here at Valkenhayn and Relius

 

Chapter 11: Naoto and Raquel saw Saya being hold by a bug that forced her to drain the life from the people of the city. Naoto and Raquel knew that they needed to stop Saya's Soul Eater, but as Naoto got attacked by the bug she was inside, Naoto noticed that his wounds wasn't healing. Spinner explained that the bug they were fighting was made to fight Clavis with.

After some fighting, Naoto got in a good position to kill Saya and Naoto heard a man's voice asking if Naoto was going to kill her, if he was going to kill his siblings (little brother and little sister says the Kanij 弟妹), but Naoto screamed that he was going to save her and ripped the bugs legs that was holding Saya, and then proceeded to kill the bug.

 

Look at Raquel. After Spinner had disappeared, a fight between Kiiro and Raquel is about to start, but Clavis arrives. Clavis tells Kiiro to lay down her weapons, and reluctantly Kiiro agrees.

 

Epilogue: Naoto is in the hospital. There he learns that Saya is nowhere to be found, Kiiro is a prime field, that his lost left arm and right leg have been given new ones by Relius. Kiiro tries to recruit Naoto into Mitsurugi Agency, but Naoto refuses, and Kiiro states that they will become enemies since the Agency will start to pursuit the Azure again know that they have gained clues due to Spinner's actions. And they will later get rid of drive users that opposes them. When alone, Raquel says that she feels an Azure heart beat from Naoto.

 

Outside Chapter (someone knows a better name? 章外): Valkenhayn and Clavis has Saya, and is met by Hazama.[/collapse]

[VermilionBird]

I'll get this down on the Wiki sometime this week. Trying to do the XBlaze stuff at the moment but this takes priority.