Yahiko Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 To start off I've been playing this game for a while now and i want to discuss peoples opinions on who they think is the most Defensive character character in Blazblue! I think Jin is but that's just me.
Kristoph Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 the best defense is a good offense, so bang or rachel, because all she can do is defend or hazama cuz of JAYAKU HOUTENJIN take your pick in all seriousness though, 'most defensive' is incredibly vague so it's kind of difficult to reasonably answer your question without everyone just making up their own little definitions of 'defensiveness.'
ZONG_one Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 I just took it as which characters are probably forced into situations where they have to block more often. Not as which char has the best reversal while on defense. Only the OP can elaborate on what they meant I suppose. The way I took it just makes more sense to me.
Yahiko Posted August 21, 2010 Author Posted August 21, 2010 @ Kristoph Your right i should have been more clear what i meant is What Character's have the most "USEFUL" amount of options if there under pressure or just getting zoned.
ZONG_one Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 I would have to change my answers completely then. >.>
smooshman Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 @ Kristoph Your right i should have been more clear what i meant is What Character's have the most "USEFUL" amount of options if there under pressure or just getting zoned. hhhmmm... Hakumen, Tager, Ragna, Bang (arguably), Jin (mostly for zoning; non-D DP's suck, but D DP is gdlk).
mundus Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 Ragna defense? "OK" everybody can outzone Ragna even Tager (spark bolt) he cant be defensive ever, except running the clock for the last 20 sec and so can everyone. I would say Hakumen> Tager > Jin > Bang > Rachel, i don't think Hazama is that "defensive" he can zone and run away yeah, but once you are on him he only got IB> Jayoku Houtenjin.
Redefinition Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 Yeah, and IB > Jayoku is one of the better reversals in the game. You get them with an FC Jayoku and you can easily do 5k, 7-8k with 100% meter. Honestly, Hakumen, Hazama and to an extent Tager and Ragna have at least one quite good option in terms of reversals and being defensive. EDIT: Sorry, I misread what you added to the thread after your OP. In terms of the MOST options, Bang and Hakumen probably come out on top for amount and usefulness of defensive options. Hakumen, Bang and Hazama are probably the best for dealing damage OFF of those options.
Synthesis Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 As for a defensive character, I think Tager and Hakumen are very good, but Mu is a great defensive character as well. She has her DP, a reversal super that does decent damage, she can IB backdash to get out of some block strings and as for zoning, people can't really zone her. She also sets "traps" which also aid her defensive game by essentially having a mine field your opponent has to get past to get in. Also, her 236D lasers are fantastic because even if she gets hit, the laser will continue to keep going. This allows her to do risky things that you wouldn't normally be able to do because you have the defense of the laser backing you up. It all depends on how you want to play, though.
mundus Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 ^ Mu defense is nothing special imo, her zoning is good, but as far as defense go she is as bad as Lambda but with a better DP. However Lambdas DP is safe on block Mu's isn't. Both have about the same options other than that, reversal distortions and backdash. Yeah, and IB > Jayoku is one of the better reversals in the game. You get them with an FC Jayoku and you can easily do 5k, 7-8k with 100% meter. Honestly, Hakumen, Hazama and to an extent Tager and Ragna have at least one quite good option in terms of reversals and being defensive. EDIT: Sorry, I misread what you added to the thread after your OP. In terms of the MOST options, Bang and Hakumen probably come out on top for amount and usefulness of defensive options. Hakumen, Bang and Hazama are probably the best for dealing damage OFF of those options. IB 720 and 360s should not be forgotten they are about as damaging as Hazama.
Antihippy Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 However Lambdas DP is safe on block No it's not. o_O
severin Posted August 22, 2010 Posted August 22, 2010 Do people forget lambda as a defensive character? Ideally, most of her damage comes from people running into swords as they try to approach. Also, her DP is -24 on block, if its shitty hitbox even touches you (it's still a good enough DP)
TD Posted August 22, 2010 Posted August 22, 2010 imo- Hakumen, (ironically) Rachel, and Mu. dc about the rest.
Sophisticat Posted August 22, 2010 Posted August 22, 2010 Top defensive is definitely Hakumen, his entire playstyle is centered around being defensive. You can RTSD, but you need the meter. Others who are more defensive-centered than the rest, in no order: Tager, Jin, Lambda, Mu. I contest Rachel, Hazama, and Bang. Bang is all about pressuring until you get in a hit, and Rachel's defense is real shitty. They don't thrive on being defensive. Hazama is more of a hit-and-run offensive character than a defensive one since he basically zones/harasses/mixes up then runs away until he gets in a hit. We shouldn't confuse a stupid good reversal as emblematic of an entire playstyle.
TD Posted August 22, 2010 Posted August 22, 2010 As mentioned eariler- Rachel is defensie because all she can do is defend. What offense, what mixups. lt's sad. How is she heavily reliant on something that not only stops charging if used, but recharges every 3 secs after. You're looking at around 5 secs of waiting for someone to run fiullscreen which, btw takes the cast a sec to do. Now you're pressured with a bad reversal, bad normals, specials and supers. Oops, you slipped! Now you're eating 3k and oki. No way out, hoping the op screws up. wtf arc.
Sophisticat Posted August 22, 2010 Posted August 22, 2010 I see what you mean, but my point is that she wasn't designed as a defensive character. She's a zoner with an offensive streak. Obviously, they nerfed her too much so she now has to be much more defensive than intended. But by design, I don't believe she's meant to be defensive.
sergetrigger Posted August 22, 2010 Posted August 22, 2010 In my opinion, I think it's Hakumen, Rachel (Oh god... her zoning in CT was bad enough), and Tager. But those 3 are just either pure defense and wait to counter attack. Ragna is a bit of an agressive defense player, but I think that's my playstyle with him. With agressively defense, I mean something like IAD and IB in the air. I think the same could count for Bang.
kenja0 Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 Exactly what is meant by defensive play? Are we talking about pure escape methods (Rachel/Jin/Hazama), hardest to close in on (Lambda/Hakumen/Mu/Carl), or using offensive defensive options (Lambda/Rachel/Mu/Noel/Jin/Carl)? A character like Lambda is really good at keeping away and going to the offense from strictly defensive moves, however, has really crap escape options aside from one counter move that takes 16 seconds to recover from. Hakumen in the hands of a mind reader can shatter all of a characters' offensive approaches and has good hitboxes to keep someone out of range. However, during a blockstring, it's quite hard for him to get a good read for his counter moves. Carl is extremely difficult to hit when Ada is attacking or blocking for Carl. But is relatively easy to hit after Ada is down. Rachel has the fastest and easiest access escape tool in the form of Wind but has no good counter moves or DP options.
Yahiko Posted August 23, 2010 Author Posted August 23, 2010 Looks like Hakumen is getting alot of love here! lol makes me wonder how terribly amazing his defensive capabilities would be if he had a DP and a good one at that!
Yahiko Posted August 23, 2010 Author Posted August 23, 2010 Exactly what is meant by defensive play?. No exact meaning because there's more than one way to play Defensively which I'm sure you know! this thread was opened to discuss other peoples "opinions" on who they think gets the job done best.
Antihippy Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 Looks like Hakumen is getting alot of love here! lol makes me wonder how terribly amazing his defensive capabilities would be if he had a DP and a good one at that! He does with 2 stars.
Yahiko Posted August 23, 2010 Author Posted August 23, 2010 He does with 2 stars. True but its bad. everybody who i see online goes for that on wake up and fails.... or maybe their just bad players
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