Online Timing

[Don Pachi]

Hi every1, I notice that doing some combos with 80% of success rate offline when I try them online the success rate till now is 0% after like 300 fights(really I cant do the hakumen bnb:falling j.2C , 2C , sj 2A... online, only once I almost do it but they barrier burst).

So my question is which characters really suffer with the online connection of 0 or 1?

And which ones benefits?

Thanks

[Phoeniks]

I don't know how relevant of a thread this is, but in my experience Ragna and Tager (and to an extent Jin) do the best under heavy lag. Ragna's combos aren't significantly harder to time and under a bad connection a dry Hell's Fang can be literally impossible to react to (same deal applies to dry Ice Car). Reacting to Tager's nonsense and teching correctly becomes several times harder, and the worst part is that you will eat heavy damage from his 360s and 720. I suppose Haukem and 4C could work pretty well.

I'm sure Taokaka and Carl suffer pretty horribly though.

[ZhePrime]

Well if you're only gonna play online you might not wanna play Arakune, Carl, Taokaka, Hazama and Litchi. Hakumen can be somewhat playable if you don't try to do his 623AA combo and D's.

[Phoeniks]

The thing about Arakune is that I imagine it would be hard to avoid getting cursed and bug raped with heavy lag. I wouldn't expect any long combos, but American resetting your lagging opponents could happen. I haven't played Mu much, but I imagine lag would make her a miserable experience for both players.

Overall, my least favorite thing about lag is that even light lag makes blocking succesfully a bitch, whether from getting hit by random pokes that you would normally react to, not being able to IB at all, or eating an overhead or crossup you would normally react to.

All in all, Blazblue is unplayable with anything more than extremely light lag.

[ZhePrime]

All in all, Blazblue is unplayable with anything more than extremely light lag.

True for any fighting game really. I still have nightmares of the horrible online experience of SC4.

[Phoeniks]

As much as I hate SC4, the lag was overall a lot more tolerable, simply because the game was slow. The only problem was if people knew this was the case and just bulldogged with fast horizontals.

[SolarMisae]

This pretty much describes every online match I've ever had. Stuff thats so easy offline becomes exponentially harder to do online for me. I'm used to offline matches, so whenever I try doing ranked I always forget how laggy it is an get my ass handed to me quite often unless the person I'm fighting sucks pretty bad. People I could normally beat I just can't online. It's very frustrating, so I mostly stick to offline unless someone actually asks to fight me.

[Blade]

Rule of thumb with me regarding lag is: stay on the ground. Less air combos during lag mean less drops, this hurts some characters more than others.

Other tips:

If you have lag issues...don't host 6 to a room, my God, your internet is slow enough. 3 Maybe...2 (including yourself). If you don't want visitors or voyeurs just make friend slots.

If you're fighting a long distance friend, it never hurts to just let the intro play through, let the characters talk and let the game's timing synch up. You'll know everything works by the time the announcer speaks at proper speed or not. So try not to skip the intro. Also it doesn't hurt to avoid complicated stages with 3D elements in them, like the Museum stage.

Turn off your stupid microphone during a match...mics cause lag, even in fighting games. Nobody wants to hear your voice anyway.

Lag+PSN Chat = Bad, so leaving chatroom during or prior to fight is a good idea too. Not only that but chat covers up the lifebar, so it's distracting.

Lastly, TURN OFF YOUR DAMN TORRENTS AND DOWNLOADS...this especially applies to people with laptops running in the back while they play.

[farranpoison]

Pro tip.

DON'T PLAY ONLINE.

I'll be here all week.

[Varamathras]

Pro tip.

DON'T PLAY ONLINE.

I'll be here all week.

I'm not driving around the country just to play Blazblue. Not everywhere has an active fighting game community y'know.

[Sponson]

Pro tip.

DON'T PLAY ONLINE.

I'll be here all week.

So you're telling me not to play BB against anyone? Because theres like, one other good player in the state of Maine that actually plays. Or maybe you'd like to visit us?

[CakeWasBannedd]

Honestly if you don't have people to play against in real life, you're not going to become very good at this game. You can try, but in the end you're just going to lose to people who do have people to play. Whether you care enough about playing fighting games competitively to travel around the country to play people is up to you.

[Black Onslaught]

qft cake, qft

[ATGMantenbo]

Rule of thumb with me regarding lag is: stay on the ground. Less air combos during lag mean less drops, this hurts some characters more than others.

This and try to play characters who can do something even in extreme lag like: Ragna, Jin, Tagar.

the longer the combo the more likely you'll drop and this pretty much kills litchi since her whole games relies on very long combos that lead to a knockdown in the corner, and also Carl.

Hakumen is pretty bad in lag but not the worst.

Also I noticed if your character has a consistent loop like for example taunt loop or litchi's loops on tagar, lag doesn't hurt much.

If your character's gameplay style involves a lot of jumping, air dashes, and IAD, then you will most likely look like an idiot trying to jump around and some times moves will come out instead of jumps, so try to avoid that.

so yeah, Ragna, Jin and Tagar are the best characters in lag imo

[CakeWasBannedd]

qft cake, qft

you didn't even quote me

[Black Onslaught]

I quoted it in my heart, real talk

[Sponson]

Honestly if you don't have people to play against in real life, you're not going to become very good at this game. You can try, but in the end you're just going to lose to people who do have people to play. Whether you care enough about playing fighting games competitively to travel around the country to play people is up to you.

EDIT:

And someone with access to the game will do better than someone who doesn't.

[CakeWasBannedd]

EDIT:

And someone with access to the game will do better than someone who doesn't.

Exactly. It's an entirely different game offline with real people, just like being able to practice the game is entirely different from playing right off the bat.

[Hawkingbird]

Honestly if you don't have people to play against in real life, you're not going to become very good at this game. You can try, but in the end you're just going to lose to people who do have people to play. Whether you care enough about playing fighting games competitively to travel around the country to play people is up to you.

Not exactly the case for me. I have people to play with and it's hard for me to great better. Of my group of friends only one is actually good and is on my level. The rest completely suck and won't practice while rest hate the game. I don't have the money to burn to make trips to Chinatown to play in the arcade. Online makes life easier.

[CakeWasBannedd]

Not exactly the case for me. I have people to play with and it's hard for me to great better. Of my group of friends only one is actually good and is on my level. The rest completely suck and won't practice while rest hate the game. I don't have the money to burn to make trips to Chinatown to play in the arcade. Online makes life easier.

By "people in real life" I meant a competitive group of people who care about the game and are actively trying to get better at it.

[Hawkingbird]

My one friend is the only one that fits the bill. I haven't found anyone else who plays the game on a competitive level around my way.

[Blade]

Yeah I don't really care what anyone except ATGMantenbo says in this thread, since it's mostly whining about online lag anyway.

What I would suggest for "isolated players" are a number of things:

If possible, set your room connection limitation to 3 or 4 bars or higher, that way you have a better chance of finding local online players. Sometimes a few 0 bars slip in, or they fluctuate, nothing you can do about that, but if you find someone who has a decent connection you can play with consistently, ADD THEM TO YOUR FRIEND LIST. The more you play the more the both of you learn. Also, limit your room to yourself and one other player (2 slots total), any more will cause lag most likely, and tell them to unplug their mike if you can.

Even if you're not that great at combos, get used to blocking and knowing what moves link or cancel into eachother without risk (training mode is a must for this). Sometimes just being able to out-poke someone can win you a match, this works in lag as well. Just don't get too used to doing the same moves over and over again, even if they seem effective, people find a way around them. Even during lag, knowing what can safely cancel can really help (especially guard strings). So set your training dummy to block "after first hit" so you know what combos work. Find different combinations and combo setups that work best for you, not just what does better damage or puts you in a good position.

Throw is always great during lag, so abuse it.

As around in Match Finder to see if local people live near you (find threads from your State or country), otherwise, give the Competition Map a try.

[mAc Chaos]

^Using a mic is fine on 360. Lags on ps3 though.

Also I wouldn't recommend relying on lag tactics :P

[CakeWasBannedd]

Yeah I don't really care what anyone except ATGMantenbo says in this thread, since it's mostly whining about online lag anyway.

What I would suggest for "isolated players" are a number of things:

If possible, set your room connection limitation to 3 or 4 bars or higher, that way you have a better chance of finding local online players. Sometimes a few 0 bars slip in, or they fluctuate, nothing you can do about that, but if you find someone who has a decent connection you can play with consistently, ADD THEM TO YOUR FRIEND LIST. The more you play the more the both of you learn. Also, limit your room to yourself and one other player (2 slots total), any more will cause lag most likely, and tell them to unplug their mike if you can.

Even if you're not that great at combos, get used to blocking and knowing what moves link or cancel into eachother without risk (training mode is a must for this). Sometimes just being able to out-poke someone can win you a match, this works in lag as well. Just don't get too used to doing the same moves over and over again, even if they seem effective, people find a way around them. Even during lag, knowing what can safely cancel can really help (especially guard strings). So set your training dummy to block "after first hit" so you know what combos work. Find different combinations and combo setups that work best for you, not just what does better damage or puts you in a good position.

Throw is always great during lag, so abuse it.

As around in Match Finder to see if local people live near you (find threads from your State or country), otherwise, give the Competition Map a try.

You give all this advise on how to get better while playing online, which is already stupid enough, and then you tell them to abuse shit that wouldn't ever work in an offline setting. Why do you even bother posting such stupid things, seriously.

[Blade]

Because it annoys guys like you who would rather play offline. :P