Arizona "Arcsys Release Dates Give Us Erectile Dysfunction", Thread

[H-F Blade]

Time to drop every game for all these updates even if we may not get them for the next 1-2 years. :| shrug

[kenja0]

No announcement for BlazBlue CSI Kagutsuchi followed by Blazblue CSI Extend one year later.

[Bearell]

Don't mind the update too much. Maybe Johnny will actually make me enjoy Xrd, though I hear that in previous iterations he's been a difficult character to use.

[Valthazeryus]

There's keeping it fresh, and then there's ArcSys.

 

There are release dates, and then there are ArcSys'.

 

GGXrd -REVELATOR- coming 2017.

[hateraid offred]

All hail our lord and savior johnny Christ. Here's to hoping his coins are unlimited and act like el's grenades. #whatsbalance?

Y'all ladies go'n pay up

[nion]

So after the last UAT, I want to play more local Smash 4, anyone interested?

[Chumaralupa]

So after the last UAT, I want to play more local Smash 4, anyone interested?

I think there's a whole other scene for that, one that is actually relatively large in AZ.

[kenja0]

You can't play it at UAT though. They banned it because the community kept breaking rules.

[TagAnarchy]

There are release dates, and then there are ArcSys'.

 

GGXrd -REVELATOR- coming 2017.

And im reminded why the name of this group is what it is.

[TagAnarchy]

@Dipstick & Rath, im gonna chime in a bit so it a not just less a one sided quiz-a-thon and more an open discussion.

The small size and lack of control portion I can get since there's always a lot of people that play the other games so they need the stations, and it wouldnt interest some unless one plays the other featured games. What I question now is what's so bad about a venue fee? Would it not be arguable that the whole point of it is that you're betting on yourself to get first place and get your money back? The tourney fee (to me) is a driving force to get better so I don't lose out on that money. The venue fee is more just support of the brand so they can get that bigger area with more space.

I've heard rumor that they're looking into a slightly larger location to accommodate just how many people come in for smash, SF, and just fighting games in general.

[NitroFrost]

Just saying if you guys ever want to run an event there i.e. make it so you guys have X amount of stations (which is TGZ's equipment etc) they won't charge you anything to run it they will just charge venue fee. 

So say you wanted to run 3 anime games. They have 8 stations you get for the cost of 5 dollar venue fee. You get it from open to close essentially but they would talk to you about it etc. They are very accommodating and what you guys would need to room for casual stations as well as tourney stations. 

The place needs more stations to have tourney stations and casuals stations which is the goal, to have a venue where people don't have to leave to play their game more. Just thought I would chime in and let you guys know if you did want to run something there they are totally cool with helping out just have to let them know in advance and let them know times etc. They can provide what they can as far as consoles and monitors goes etc. 

Of course it's nice to have 206/207 free but at the same time if you needed tgz to your selves it's an option and also a free option minus the venue fee per person. 

(P.S. they will usually as the TO if they want part of the venue fee which is something I told them to keep when doing ranbats since they bought all the consoles and monitors etc so if that was something your interested in as well it's there for you). 

[LegendaryRath]

Will, I feel that some people (like myself) would like a chance to participate with money on the line, however, I feel like most people in our scene do not (and I'm starting to care less about being competitive too anyway). I don't remember if you were around when Haz used to run tournaments, but I do remember how pretty much everyone hated the venue fee. 5 dollars just to walk in the door, plus 5 dollars to enter a tournament, plus transportation. We're all cheap here. When originally setting up the monthlies, I knew that the turnout would be much smaller if money was involved. 

[kenja0]

How differently do you think the community would be if UAT charged venue fees? Would we play to get better or drop going out to do more personal things.

In terms of tournaments, we had Haz and Keith. Two completely different viewpoints for tournaments. Haz charged money because he wanted to expand and turn it into a business. Keith only charged to be able to get equipment, but has hosted more free tournaments as of late, with prizes no less. We aren't really as grateful for the hospitality as we should be. Running these things costs money, time, and effort. It can really burn people out. But this is a hobby that should be seen as fun.

Skipping out of events because of money constraints shouldn't really be an issue. I've always felt that, at our ages, if we are out of money, we shouldn't be investing into these hobbies. The money is an incentive to get better, but if people aren't looking to get better and spend money, that's why the casuals have always been free. Either way, people should be up to going to places to have fun, even if there is a reasonable expense asked for by the host.

Not many people are going to Evo because people don't see a reason to. I'm not planning to win, I'm just planning to have fun with a little vacation time. We all had a great time last year, and even if the venue is smaller and the tournament options are less than optimal, it's still an opportunity to play with new people, hang out, and have fun doing something new.

[Valthazeryus]

Well, let's talk about it and speak to each other about it.

 

 

We all understand the concept of venue fees and we all understand its contribution usually goes into the thought of providing and expanding the scene. However, it seems as from what I've been reading, many Dustloop people just bail after the tournament, not because they want to, but because they're forced to. If they're paying for the venue fee as a service, but do not get the luxury of using the venue freely, as they paid for as a service, then I can understand why the value of paying the venue fee is belittled: they just believe the payment and service in exchange is not fair to standards.

 

With that being said, if one cannot get permitted space and service they paid for and are only paying the venue fee for just the tournament, maybe you should waive the venue fee for them and just allow them to play the tournament and just pay the tournament fee. I understand both create the incentive to win, but, in all honesty, you should really only be betting real cash in a real fighting game, where you actually hate/fight each other and view money as the real incentive, like Mario Party 1-5 and try to make your bet back from that. Cough-John-cough...

 

On another topic, I am going to assume it's the same people who play in the tournament at TGZ that migrate over to UAT, plus maybe couple random people outside the Dustloop community. The Dustloop community is already familiar with each other, so I really don't know if adding cash and costs has tremendous meaning. I am pretty sure the Dustloop community still goes out for food with each other still, so everybody putting in $5-$10 in a pot just to feed someone else's mouth might not really fly well with some people in this community. Zing!

 

Overall, for the argument that it's an incentive to get better, if you're not already implementing that in casuals, what are you even doing? You should constantly be trying to improve yourself, not using cash as the only incentive or using the fact it's "casuals" as a scapegoat for your laziness.

 

Note: I don't go to TGZ or UAT, so this is based all from what I've thread in this thread and heard from Facebook and in person.

[Bearell]

Well as the TO for the next set of tourneys I was gonna make a longer post, but Jimmy was able to write out what I was gonna say, but better. You also beat me to using a picture of "hands" since DL has become a debate thread recently (although I'm partly to blame for that).

 

@Will: But yeah, the venue fees and dustloop having to leave tgz to make way for the other tourneys are 2 parts of the same problem. You can't understand one and not the other. People aren't going to pay a venue fee if they can only stay for one game, especially a game where many people don't feel like playing competitively. 

 

UAT has always worked for us, or at least for the past year I've been a part of this group. You ask "why don't we use tgz?" but I ask "why would we need to?" UAT works, has space/tables/chairs for everyone, can accommodate the millions of kusoge that dustloop plays, and we never get bothered by staff and students. No one here actually hates tgz (you have to be evil incarnate to hate a local business) but we have never had a reason to need to use it when UAT has been working just as well for us. 

[TagAnarchy]

I was never around for Haz, but I hear what you're saying. I was just curious as to where the discdiscrepancy between activity here and entries at the ranbats was coming from.

I hope folks here are at least going to EVO.

[Ryd']

the venue fees and dustloop having to leave tgz to make way for the other tourneys 

 

Pretty much this.  I'm not against costs, but if I'm going to pay to play games, I'd rather it be more than mostly local players, and to realistically be able to play more than a handful of matches.  It also doesn't help that GG was given the earliest timeslot, which means that I'm either at work or still sleeping around the time I'd need to leave if I wanted to make it in time to sign up (let alone get a decent number of casual games in).  Between waking up earlier than I'd like on a day off to pay for a few games before going to UAT and (wait for it) playing more games for free with the possibility of longer sets, or not waking up earlier than I'd like and getting almost the same amount of games in anyway, it's not even really a question which I'd choose.  Especially since the game in question is one I have mixed feelings about.

 

Frankly, I don't see money as being a particularly big motivator to learn a game.  If I really want to learn a game, I'll put the the time into it regardless of potential payout (see: F/UC, which was already dead by the time I was introduced to it).  There just hasn't been a game that's been able to hold my attention since F/UC, MBAA(CC), and GGAC(+R).

[TagAnarchy]

@Ryd, my thought process wasn't necessarily that money should be the driving factor to learn the game, more a question as to why one would not be willing to bet on themselves to win.

No game, or anything for that matter, should be done with the sole intention of getting paid. It ends up just making things terrible.

[Orrax]

Just to note, the reason I went to TGZ every time I could and paid the fee wasn't to play the game or bet on myself, it was to support the game, because I like Xrd. I think a lot of people have the mentality, "No one shows up to these tournaments, therefore there's no scene, therefore I have no reason to play the game," and I'd like to break that line of thinking. Of course, people would likely just replace it with other reasons not to play the game, and I realize that, but that doesn't change that I want to support the game and the scene.

 

That said, I think you all are right about the venue. I wasn't too keen about getting kicked off the last GG setup so SF4 could play, or about KI getting streaming priority, but c'est la vie. I think the only way to change that is to have higher turnout, but people have valid reasons for not wanting to show up, so we're caught in a kind of catch-22.

[Ryd']

I would expect that UAT is better for drawing in people unless you're hoping to tap SRK and the other FG communities that typically avoid airdashers (though given what I've heard of entrants, that hasn't been happening).  No venue fee would make it more receptive to anyone who might want to come check out the games, and being able to run what we want instead of leaving as soon as GG is done provides more room for exposure to a larger number of games, which leads to more opportunities for people to find something they like, so that ideally they come back and maybe end up giving other things a try.  In theory.  The only question is one of getting word out to potential new players, but that's what this thread, FB, word of mouth, etc. are for.  If people really want to drop a little money to spice things up a bit, then we can still do that unless UAT has a problem with that kind of thing.  I suspect the main deterrent for everyone is more how casual-unfriendly TGZ is on ranbat days with how you only have a small window of time before anything starts to get games in before everything is consumed by tournies, most of which don't have much draw for most of the anime fightah crowd.  But maybe that's just me.

[Theupstreamer]

Yeah it's just that quite a few of us really aren't that competitive. Some of us just want to play games and dick around and try and do like a sick combo or two every now and again. 

 

But really it's all about landing a fireball into infinite worth at the start of the round. 

 

Btw since our version of xrd is going to be obsolete soon we might as well go back to +R and double the roster. 

[Ryd']

Btw since our version of xrd is going to be obsolete soon we might as well go back to +R and double the roster. 

 

Seconded.

[kenja0]

Or we can all move to CPEX since it's the newest version with no future announcements right now.

[Dipstick]

To answer the question regarding a venue fee, it comes down to a value proposition, really. As things are, there's a few people over at my place playing games roughly every week (what games are being played can be a mystery at times). So for the people that do come through, what value would they get from going to TGZ and paying to play there instead? I do understand that sort of arrangement does not scale well (I remember having 15 people here in this tiny ass house when UNIEL came out, yikes), but the way things are with the relative size and intensity of the community I don't think there any real win there.

 

That and especially with tournaments, even having a nominal cost introduces additional resistance. Look at the difference in size between the UAT and TGZ Xrd tournaments. And how many people would play in UNIEL if there was an entry fee? 3?

 

Or we can all move to CPEX since it's the newest version with no future announcements right now.

Check again!!! ArcSys is currently rocking the trifecta in terms of excuses to stop playing their games.

[kenja0]

It's an announcement of announcements. They don't even know what they want to do which means its in conception phase.