Guilty Gear 2: Overture released

[Sol.Badguy]

Well now you've pretty much got my strategy down lol. Few differences though. 1 of them being that I use gigant in 1v1 matches sometimes because I love him just too damn much. 1 of them also being I'll never use pencil guys like, as long as I live. Here's a tip btw, I buy dragon install as soon as I notice it's over 50. Then I use it and never let it get to 100. It's much better to get 2 50 dragon installs than 1 100. 25 isn't bad either so seriously use this skill. It seems like it's too under rated. I buy this as my first skill and use it like crazy. Seriously use it. lvl 3 fire wheel can do about 400 damage to a master so I dunno what gg2 wiki is talking about. And yes ky's units can be pretty bullshit. May I also add that in addition to the Anti-everything rod the Heavens Libra carries around, I found out a little while ago that the Springbocks actually have and anti-armor rod ability that they can use against 1 armor unit each. Talk about wow. Like....seriously....wow. Anyway I'm not going to post a lot because i've got 3 main things on my mind. 1. What the hell do you do as raven so you don't get hit by ky and sols 2y when they block?! SOOO frusterating. It's like I'm not even supposed to attack because I can guarantee with 100% accuracy I will get vapor thrust or volcanic vipered in the face. I seriously seriously seriously need to know what to do to avoid that. 2. I've never really had a problem with this because I don't fight a lot of Sols. Anyway whenever I would do (L) x, 2x, 2x, I would notice they never escaped out of it and I could break their guard pretty much everytime. I thought they were just idiots until I learned how bullshit it really is to do that by getting it done to me while I was raven. Every. Single. Time. I got in a fight 1v1 against a Sol he would VV me if I had the AUDACITY to actually fucking ATTACK (dear me), Or he would run up x, 2x, 2x, x, x, etc. How the hell do you escape it? I am literally so confused. 3. TECH TRAPS FROM HELL. Once again, maybe it's somehow because I'm raven? But I can NOT escape a tech trap without losing at least over 400 health or dying of course. Sol and Ky, seriously what the fuck. Seriously. I reaaaaally need advice on how to get the fuck out of them w/o bursting obviously. Getting tech trapped now haunts me in my sleep and I wake up with my right thumb doing a twitch that would indicate I'm trying to burst. Uhg. Uhg. Uhg.

[Blackgenma]

GG2 wiki says that ENGULFER is weak and not a good as firewheell. did I type that about firewheel? my bad. it praises firewheel, and says it's awesome, so it doesn't say not to use it. I like engulfer regardless of what gg2 wiki says, but fireweel is a beast. as for the reven shit? get better with him, I get raped when I fight Sol's with him too. you get VV'd because Raven is really annoying, and it a sure fire way to stop him in his tracks. people can escape Sol's guard break, but the lag makes it hard to be possible. in case you haven't noticed, Sol has an option to catch people from sidestepping after the guard punch (4x and 6x after the 2x, followed by another 2x.) oh, you want to escape tech chases without bursts? don't tech.

[Sol.Badguy]

Get better with him? I think I'm as good with the raven master as I can get, and even If I don't really see how that stops me from getting VV when i attempt to attack, I guess I should just let them make the 1st move.

[PandaKingEX]

SolBadguy what you said about VV reminded me of my fight with you >.>. Pretty much gave up this game after fighting a handful of fights that day with the same results of me owning the whole field, and then getting master downed to death from lots of VVs. I seriously hate Sol with a passion in online play, particularly after playing FlamemasterAJ. VV is stupid, especially since they give him most of his strongest combo opportunities off of it, and not being able to sidestep out of his guardbreak strings consistently in online play is so annoying. Pretty much the reasons why I ended up picking up Sol myself. Really, the only way to handle Sol while playing as other characters is to take advantage of every other aspect of the game, aside from actual combat. Have servants surrounding you when you fight him, use items against him, or just straight up camp against him, and spam super backsteps, or jumping and airdash away whenever you see him rushing in. Basically do anything you can to avoid letting Sol get on top of you, because once he does, you will either die, or by the time you get away you will have taken too much damage. There are only 2 surefire strategies that I know for beating Sol, and that is to pick Sol as well, or to play a defensive/camping Ky. As far as Ky goes, it's pretty much the same strategies for him as you would use against Sol. The difference is that you don't have to be afraid of letting Ky approach you, in fact you should probably let him approach, since his stun edge and thrust move make it somewhat hard to approach him depending on the situation. He has no practical guard break strings, so you if just wait it out until he throws out one of his more predictable attacks, you can get away and likely punish him. Raven is all about being annoying, so use his personal skills to the fullest. Once you slow an enemy down, there really isn't much they can do, if they don't have a dispel with them. Also, the teleport skill is very abusable. You can punish pretty much anything with it, and just randomly using it (in a non predictable manner) works quite well. Keep your distance and try to react to what they do with one of your needle moves. Try not to use the 8X dash move too much when approaching. It's so easy to punish when dodged that it's not even funny. Only throw it out as a mix up tool, or when you know the chances of it landing are high. Stick to his 5X string for pressure, since they can't VV in the middle of it, because of how fast it is. Normally in fighters if you fight someone who uses DPs alot you just train them into not using them as much, and that's really the same thing you would say in this game as well. The only thing is that the inputs are significantly easier here, and the combat in this game isn't as fast or flexible as a fighter, so it's much harder to avoid something like this even though it's so obvious.

[Blackgenma]

wow, I can't believe the VV's bother you guys so much, it's all Ky players ever do, just bait it and block or dodge, problem solved. It behaves like Sin's beak driver, only without the insane range and guard break properties, and you can reversal with it. panda's advice is pretty spot on, though I'd personally advise against using 5x to poke too much, because that poke isn't too reliable by itself in my opinion. Sol's kick can actually go right through it (it looks weird, the animation comes out, but you get whacked), and just because you can hit some one with it, doesn't mean your follow ups will connect depending on the distance. the character is very simple, watching some good raven player on nico video and emulating him should be enough for you to be fine. special skills are key to the character, and hit incoming players with 2x. for mix up, running at opponents and hitting (F) 8x is good too. Sol's guard break punch is pretty bullshit online, but people have escaped it from me before, and the punch itself is easily sidestepped (or interrupted). jumping does not yield good results from my past experiences. seriously though, dealing with Sol's VV and Ky's VT is basic stuff. I'm surprised to hear that such a shitty character like Sol is being lambasted for having a good technique when he's in your face. the guy is insanely easy to outzone, and the move itself will almost never break your guard.

[Ayumu Gardevoir]

I've really never had any trouble with Sol's VV/Ky's VT. Though I play Val, so, I'm usually never up close anyway.

[Blackgenma]

I've really never had any trouble with Sol's VV/Ky's VT. Though I play Val, so, I'm usually never up close anyway.

yeah, you should keep it that way. I once fought a Val with Sol that I could almost never touch, it was really frustrating, but the player simply knew what they were doing with the character, and I was doing a shitty job chasing her down. I should have bought more bombs and rapid fires.

Edit: now that I think about it, I hate 1 vs 1.

[Sol.Badguy]

Haha blackgenma I'm surprised you have such a hard time being Sol. The only character who gives me trouble is Robo jams Sin:vbang:. Btw I use all ravens skills except the obvious raven itself. However I realize that I've almost never started a combo by purely using 5x with him. I always do j.8x or 8x hahaha. I guess I'll try it then, thanks. Sorry about the VV during our match, but you'll find I have no sympathy for ky players who overdrive my drills at the beginning of a round. No sypathy for sin either, but that's just because of his beak driver.

[Ayumu Gardevoir]

now that I think about it, I hate 1 vs 1.

Agreed.

[Blackgenma]

eh, I have my moments when I play as Sol. he's sadly my best character, and I'm getting better with him. I'm just surprised to hear complaints about Sol of all people. when I face another Sol as a different character, I do pretty well (unless I'm raven, I get too agressive I guess) because I know how to stay away from him. I just copy what people do to get away from me when I play Sol.

the reason Raven is VV bait is because Raven's 8x is EXTREMELY good at moving in. if Sol had raven's 8x, he would be broken as hell. even if you don't use 8x to move in, Sol players may STILL VV your stikes. hell, any method for raven to move in is VV bait (I would know, I VV him for free hits all the time). I trained myself to VV raven the second he does his (F) 8x, just because if I'm too slow to jump, at least the asshole will be punished for it. instead of rushing in with raven, let Sol come to you. use (L) 8x to move in on Sol when 1) your feeling lucky or 2) to punish.

I noticed that you and me do not work well in 2 vs 2 on the same side, did you notice this? we need to do more 2 vs 2 together. maybe it's just me...

OH! OH! did you know, the spot where players do master only 1 vs 1 on bel canto? well, in that spot, (2nd floor, center of the map) Sol's (L) 6x, 4x, 2x, 2y does not work, thanks to the un-even terain. I was once under the impression that the combo never works, but it's only on that terrain that the move doesn't work. odd isn't it?

(L) 4x, 6x, 2x, 2y, MC, x, x, 2y is an awesome combo that I use often now that I know that the move connects. does over 300 damage and is easy as hell to input, don't BD after the last vv, because it won't connect.

I hate 1 vs 1, but I'll still play it. you get better by playing it.

Edit: oh, while testing out the effectivness of bringing along a blackhead as a bodyguard, it wil heal you based on how much damage you have taken. it will never fully heal you, but it will heal about 60-75 percent of the damage you have taken. meaning, the more damage you have taken, the more it will heal you. when your health is low, it's healing powers are really strong. sorry, but I have yet to come up with an average of how much it heals you exactly. when I was around 150 health, it heald me to about 420 I think. but I don't recall the exact numbers, regardless, it's really helpful, and the spray is it shoots is really annoying for the oponent.

I plan to test this baby out the next chance I get.

[Blackgenma]

Double post

2 vs 2 on underworld hiil

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9789499

this was won rahter quickly (under 4 minutes)...beware of this kind of stuff.

[Sol.Badguy]

Lol I get really hurt by the Sols and not to be cocky but I almost always win. It's been a while since I fought a Sol who knows how to play him well. BTW I already know all that raven stuff already but thanks anyway yea Sol beats raven, I'll try to avoid master fighting him and focus on his awful servent slaying. I still like 1v1s as long as they're not same char vs same char. People think that it proves who's better, but I always freeze up and do worse so I never pick the same character. Meh, plus it's less fun to fight the exact same thing that you yourself are. When I've got free time I'll try to test out blockhead some too. It is very nice and gimmicky. I really like the Spirit seeker too . HUGE NOTE that I NEVER KNEW yet I'm sure you all did. ECLAIR Has a long range ghost shooting cannon!!! I had NO clue. It doesn't explode like the spirit seeker but it's really really cool still

[Blackgenma]

your new stuff is getting better, because I didn't know about that. then again, I don't really use that unit....ever. 1 vs 1 against the same character is cool in my eyes, less interesting like you said, but it's a fun match where I don't have to worry about my units getting anahilated, and if they do, it's my fault. oh yeah, spirit seeker fucks up the oponent's mana income with it's canon, I reliazed that in a match on tirora.

[Xithmos]

I find it silly that you guys (Sol and Black) mash the crap out of VV to get out of a block string. You waste so much tension doing so and it gets you guys killed. Someone could side step out of the way and land an easy 200-300 damage combo. I still don't understand how AJ changed the damage of his Volcanic Viper. 480 damage on that shit? Makes no sense.

[Blackgenma]

I don't do that any more, if it doesn't come out the first time, I stop. the opponent can see a unsuccessful VV, and will know if you mash it, so they will purposely stop their combo, let it come out, and then beat the shit out of you for it. if it comes out, they always get hit by it, because I do not reversal very often, so they don't see it coming. I can tell when a Ky's try's to VT, and it doesn't come out, in that case, I MC my string and do another one, which breaks their guard for some nice damage. Ky's sword acquires a special effect when he tries to VT but fails. AJ is an ass for not sharing how he does that, the cheap bastard. I can understand someone raging over VV if it's doing insane amounts of damage like the way AJ does it.

[Sol.Badguy]

I dun mash it anymore either .

[Blackgenma]

Sin vs Sol

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9798050 (Round 1)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9803726 (Round 2)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9808595 (Round 3)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9808652 (Round 4)

Illyria2 (Player names are not displayed)

I find this match to be a fun watch

this match is pretty much proof how overpowered Sin is, if there's anything he has that SEROUSLY needs nerfed, it's his healing spell, holy shit, is it strong. recovers extremely fast as well, so he's got the strongest army and they won't die as long as he's around them (and did you see what happens when it misses? the thing recovers instantly!). same goes for his phantom barrel, that thing is rediculous, but not as stupid overpowered as his healing. He lost the match anyway though, even after escaping from 100 dragon install sol in the 3rd round. to be honest, there was nothing he could have done in the situation where he died, so the oponent did well there.

Sol player did break down like there was no tomarrow in the earlier segments. I didn't know you could combo a break down into bandit revolver.

Edit:

kimera cryin(Va) vs accident core(Si)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1266845210

Bel Canto Valley & Triora

two matches in 1 video. valentine is a strong character.

Kimera Cryin(Ky) Vs Guilty Blood(Dr)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1266808311 (Round 1-3)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1266854375 (Round 4-5)

Illyria

intense, long drawnout match. some quick thinking on one's behalf helped them pull through in the end. Guilty Blood has gotten pretty good with Paradigm.

[Sol.Badguy]

Ah Im glad the Sol won that 1st vid. That Sin made quite a few mistakes fortunately. I still need to watch that last video but lol at accident core for getting majorly raped by kimera xD I don't think I've ever lost all ghosts 1st round 1v1 kimera.

[Blackgenma]

the last matchis really good in my opinion. I woyuld like to see it from guilty blood's perspective.

[Sol.Badguy]

Hahaha aaaah that was a good match. I can't believe it was lost by a difference of 5 points:v: but kimera seems like a really good sport. I like at the end when he buys all the dispels xD

[Blackgenma]

Buhi M2 & wrack0721(So) Vs BeamishPLayer & hirokosuke(Dr)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9843011

Triora (L)

lol at the paradigm players for actually losing the match after starting with such a lead.

Buhi M2(Ky) hirokosuke(So) Vs wrack0721(So) BeamishPLayer(Si)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9842597

Underworld Hill (L)

when the enemy has a ghost that is next to your MG, don't ignore it. leave somethings at you MG to defend it, or take the said ghost back.

Buhi M2(So) wrack0721(Dr) Vs BeamishPLayer(Ra) hirokosuke(Iz)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9841992

Holy Knights Fortress (L)

fun match, on a fun stage.

Buhi M2(Si) BeamishPLayer(So) Vs wrack0721(Dr) hirokosuke(Ky)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9842427

Bel Canto Valley (L)

intense match. don't turn your back on Ky, he will shoot you.

[Blade]

Hey guys, can I request high quality screenshots of Diva Valentine?

It's not much but here's what I've been able to get....

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Mimeblade/Guilty%20Gear/Valentine/

[Blackgenma]

I couldn't get on last weekend but I hope to be able to this weekend. this thread has been...empty this week. oh well! sol.badguy, run tests on the blockhead and tell us the results (or rather, just me..) sin's 2y can stop tyrant rave's first hit.....didn't test out the second hit. sol's 2x and (F) 8x do indeed break super armor.

[Dejwo]

I wanna ask,is this game good?what i saw its score at metacritic,i was little disapointed. I will probably get xbox this year,so i wanna know...

[Blackgenma]

the game was thrashed by reviewers, but read the actual reviews themselves, and you'll see they hardly touch upon the multiplayer, as if it is a throw away feature. even the little of the multiplayer that is mentioned, they say the competition is very tough, and leave it at that, or if they don't play it online and stay with local, they say the game is shallow, which it might seem if the people who are playing aren't very good at the game. this game is primarily multiplayer, and it's pretty fucking good. I've been playing it for a year now. there's not a lot of traffic online, but it's there if you look for it. it's a multiplayer action action RTS. make units, capture nodes, fight the enemy units and the enemy avatar in surprisingly deep combat engine. the game rewards strategy and skill, and it's a unique and addictive title, albeit difficult to learn. it's without a doubt my favorite game ever.