Guilty Gear 2: Overture released

[Blackgenma]

xSol...I don't play Sin in 1 vs 1 you bastard!

what you said earlier about getting blasted you of your VV by paradigm reminds me of 8 minutes into this match

Kimera Cryin(So) Vs Guilty Blood(Dr)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1267955867

Holy Knights Fortress

lol, kimera is psychic.

[Kou2007]

Check out these videos if you haven't. This guy is the #2 Dr. user in the GG2 History.

This should answer all the questions you had.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6299425

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7711661

[Sol.Badguy]

HN TAPPU ?!?! I never would have guessed...

1st video is in the GG2 video thread by the way.

[PandaKingEX]

Oh sh... I thought HN tappu was #1? Than who is the true NUMBER 1!???

[Blackgenma]

yeah, I too thought HN tappu was number 1. who's number 1?

and both those videos are on the GG2 video thread, so Yes, I have already seen them long ago.

Edit: actually, the second video USED to be on the GG2 video thread before it got wiped, and I forgot to put it back up again. my bad. I'll put it back up.

Edit(2): OK, its on the thread now. WEE!

but yeah, my current opinion of paradigm is long after I have seen those videos.

link to GG2 video thread: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7935

[PandaKingEX]

Let me guess. Kimera Cryin is number 1.......with everyone? Probably not, or at least I know he isn't with Ky, since his Ky is actually kind of crappy.

[Blackgenma]

yeah, I noticed that too. he's pretty good with valentine and Sol though. I think those are his primary characters.

EDIT: well, he plays them in almost every match he uploads, so DERP!

[PandaKingEX]

New best strategy for Sol is to summon a bunch of servants and send them straight to the enemy masterghost. Summon a second batch and keep them around your masterghost, or on ghosts near your masterghost. Follow the servants that you sent to the enemy masterghost, hit everything in your way, capture all ghosts, and when you make it to the enemy masterghost you win.

BTW, by the time you get to the enemy masterghost, you should have at least 50 DI, so yeah. Spend mana on items and stuff to help you out, if you need it. If capture cannon is available for purchase, this makes it even more of a free win. Keep 1, or 2 servants in your slots, and if the enemy master is stupid enough to try to stop you on your way, kill him, and go do some damage on his masterghost, maybe even kill it if he has no defenses at all. This is easy to do, because there will not be any elites out in the first round, so yeah, nothing to worry about.

If the enemy master tries to attack your masterghost, just run back and kill his ass. Don't worry about your servants, just keep enough around your masterghost, so that no surprises can happen, and march with a group of at least 6 (I prefer 9), so that they can't be beaten easily by anything they would encounter in the first round.

So what if someone knows this strategy? Well they can't counter it easily. If it's Sol against Sol, it just comes down to who does it better. If it's against anyone else, they can just wait to die, or they can try to do the same back to you, but you're Sol, and they are not, so yeah, you kill them and move on.

Later I will tell my exact summoning process, and match progression, but I'm tired of typing right now, and it's not hard to figure out anyways. The point of this strategy is to win. Capturing the field and running around like a dork doesn't win the fight, depleting the enemies lifebar does, so lets not put more effort into achieving that than necessary. This also capitalizes on Sol's strengths. As you may know, letting the fight drag on long enough for your enemy to unlock a variety of servants and build a foundation is what can result in a loss while playing as Sol. The second the fight starts, Sol is at his strongest potential, so you have to capitalize ASAP.

Why not just grab a bunch of servants at the start and rush them? Well this can work sometimes, if you're a truly strong fighter, but I like my method better, because it builds momentum and gives you mana to screw around with.

oops, too much typing. Need to sleep. Oh and I'm very happy. Monster Hunter 3 is out today. I'm so excited.

[Kou2007]

There was an undefeated Dr. user long before any of us started playing. I think he's the one who

came up with ghost through and all that. He already quit playing this game so I'm not going to mention

his name. He probably got tired with the kids always giving him bad user rating. By the way all the

Japs are saying Kimera sucks now for some reason, probably because he lost alot in his live video

session 2on2 and made alot of excuses like lag or blaming on his partner. I still believe he's one of the

best though.

[PandaKingEX]

Well it would be silly to call Kimera bad just by losing a lot in 2v2. 2v2 matches are very unpredictable at times, and more for fun than an actual test of skill, imo. Not saying it doesn't require skill, but not necessarily as much as 1v1. Even if Kimera is not as good as he used to be, the matches I played against his valentine back then are definitely the most memorable matches I've ever had, and when I say memorable, I mean getting my ass kicked.

[Fenrir Werwolf]

Hey Genma, I'm translating the wiki, but I have many difficulties becasue

1) It is HARD as hell XD

2)Common kanji like massacre, annhilation and so on

3)(most important one) games term and mechanics, that makes me difficult to understand their meaning and context.

maybe i'll send to you a stub everytime I translate a chapter, but it would be better if I actually play the game (things that I hope to do in a month) XD

[Blackgenma]

Well it would be silly to call Kimera bad just by losing a lot in 2v2. 2v2 matches are very unpredictable at times, and more for fun than an actual test of skill, imo. Not saying it doesn't require skill, but not necessarily as much as 1v1. Even if Kimera is not as good as he used to be, the matches I played against his valentine back then are definitely the most memorable matches I've ever had, and when I say memorable, I mean getting my ass kicked.

yeah, I agree that team matches requires less skill then singles because your partner can make or break whether you do well. I actually win in team matches.

and I don't even see a drop in quality with kimera's playstyle from his videos. I don't see why he would suddenly get worse. people don't get good at a game and then spontaneously start sucking at it.

werewolf, the terms you see in the GG2 wiki exclusive to the game, just translate them directly. don't worry if it sound weird in English, through the nature of what is being said, I'm pretty sure I can deduce what they are referring to in most cases. and thanks for taking up this translation.

[PandaKingEX]

and I don't even see a drop in quality with kimera's playstyle from his videos. I don't see why he would suddenly get worse. people don't get good at a game and then spontaneously start sucking at it.

I do.

[Blackgenma]

elaborate. give me an example.

Edit: I need a larger variety of match ups in the GG2 video section. if anyone has suggestions, post them. I am getting tired of having almost nothing but kimera vs whoever for 1 vs 1. I want more Sin and Izuna videos. Videos of players being good and winning against other players who are good.

[Sol.Badguy]

Oh and I'm very happy. Monster Hunter 3 is out today. I'm so excited.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!!! I BOUGHT A WII SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR THIS GAME!!!!! BEST 250 BUCKS TOTAL SPENT!!!!! BEST GAMES EVER!!!!! NO WORDS!!!! NOOOO WOOOORDS!!!!!:vbang::vbang: :vbang: :vbang: :vbang: :vbang:

Side note: Why does everyone think HN Tappu is so good!? I've never had a problem playing him. Maybe it was long ago when he sucked I guess? oh well.

Also I love how everyone thinks Kimera is better than Guilty Blood and Conte (because he is) hahaha. They've just gotten so bad.. Guilty Bloods paradigm gives me a rough time (cuz it's paradigm) but if dares to pick someone else I rape him ( > . > )

Japs are saying Kimera sucks now for some reason, probably because he lost alot in his live video session 2on2 and made alot of excuses like lag or blaming on his partner. I still believe he's one of the best though.

What is this Live video session 2on that you guys are talking about?

yeah, I agree that team matches requires less skill then singles because your partner can make or break whether you do well. I actually win in team matches.

YES, but then it gives teamates the opportunity to let me down:psyduck:. IE I have entire bottom on Belcanto Valley without any help and they lost entire top within 1st round so the enemy can double team me. ( > . < )

elaborate. give me an example.

If you end up playing against a bunch of losers who can't keep up with ya, you start to get lax and slowly get worse. Usually takes a good couple kicks in the ass to start back up.

[Blackgenma]

YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!!! I BOUGHT A WII SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR THIS GAME!!!!! BEST 250 BUCKS TOTAL SPENT!!!!! BEST GAMES EVER!!!!! NO WORDS!!!! NOOOO WOOOORDS!!!!!:vbang::vbang: :vbang: :vbang: :vbang: :vbang:

yeah, I played some of the local 2 player mode with a friend not long ago. it was fun stuff. it was the jp version if your wondering.

What is this Live video session 2on that you guys are talking about?

dunno. I'd like to know as well.

If you end up playing against a bunch of losers who can't keep up with ya, you start to get lax and slowly get worse. Usually takes a good couple kicks in the ass to start back up.

sounds true enough.

[Sol.Badguy]

yeah, I played some of the local 2 player mode with a friend not long ago.

Local 2p is garbage compared to the actual 4 player non-local x-link kai. Such....an amazing....game....

[PandaKingEX]

HN tappu is good by default, since nobody even plays paradigm >.<. Guilty Blood does, but he is not the best player, hence why he is on my friends list, lol. I only added japanese players that I could beat up easily, haha....

Against Sol, Paradigm doesn't even stand a chance anyways... I mean the worst fighter against the best? It makes the matchup impossible for Paradigm. Even if Paradigm plays the best servant game in the world, as long as Sol keeps his masterghost safe, and can chase down Paradigm, he will win. Honestly Sol can just beat up every master easily. I don't even waste my time with servant play on Sol anymore, I just do enough to keep the enemy from overwhelming me, and than I focus all my efforts into hounding and gimping the other enemy master til they are dead. combos with mouth zipper and heavy feet are free kills. They can't run from you, and they can't dispel the slow down either...Sol is too strong, and yet nobody takes advantage of it.

btw monster hunter 3 is the best. I love all the new monster themes, and hammer and lance are so sexy now.

[Blackgenma]

Against Sol, Paradigm doesn't even stand a chance anyways... I mean the worst fighter against the best? It makes the matchup impossible for Paradigm. Even if Paradigm plays the best servant game in the world, as long as Sol keeps his masterghost safe, and can chase down Paradigm, he will win. Honestly Sol can just beat up every master easily. I don't even waste my time with servant play on Sol anymore, I just do enough to keep the enemy from overwhelming me, and than I focus all my efforts into hounding and gimping the other enemy master til they are dead. combos with mouth zipper and heavy feet are free kills. They can't run from you, and they can't dispel the slow down either...

Sol is too strong, and yet nobody takes advantage of it.

the way you talk about sol is pretty laugh out loud. what makes him so good? when you mention that topic, your always very vague about it. I honestly don't think he's got it much better then the likes of Izuna, Sin, Ky, or Raven. all those characters have methods to deal with Sol master fighting abilities. Sol is strong with items to hunt down masters, but so is half the cast. Izuna is more then capable to hunt down masters non stop (especially with his minion), so is Raven, or Sin. Ky handles strangely, and his style doesn't really suit offensive play, so I don't think he's good for that kind of crap, but the others I mentioned sure as hell are.

and besides, Sol can't really do much to paradigm once paradigm surround himself in units. dogs or frogs, with gate gunner or two, and Sol momentum in the fight falls to pieces. more so if paradigm is using a ghost to separate himself. Sol's not even especially good at preventing people from running, like raven and Ky are, though he's pretty good at running away himself. and if paradigm's getting hunted down, its not the end of the world for him, especially since rapid fire + complementing item makes him an actual threat, or baiting an approach so he and knock down Sol so he can get away and carry on with his business. if he gets an elite out, more power to him, but he really doesn't even need one to defend himself, the player just needs to play intelligently and he can avoid getting raped. the fact that Sol must be directly next to him to hurt him in most cases actually helps paradigm a lot, because it makes running away froim Sol all the more easier.

and it sounds like you haven't fought a Ky and Sin player who makes range units. both those characters really don't even need to bring out qudra ballif or heaven's libra to cripple sol, they can just spam twin triggers, and Sol can't fight. SO many ways to Stop Sol. If your Valentine or Raven, make suport units, and Sol is pretty much dead if your there when he gets in that deathtrap ( 2 magic unit and 2 range with a master present, and he's gone). if you want to stop him with style, drop a banana. he doesn't really have an answer to that. also, stick near ghosts, they help. OR JUST GET GOOD AT FIGHTING SOL, PROBLEM SOLVED.

[PandaKingEX]

Because you underestimate Sol, and the things you call problems are only problems because you let them be. You would understand more, if you had got to play with FlameMasterAJ alot. AJ would wreck people in master combat all day long, even in the most impossible situations. One good example was when we did a team battle, and to save me he ran into an enemy ghost that I was at that had a fire wheel, engulfer, and all kinds of other stuff. He had barely any tension and half health, but he still took down the other master pretty easily.

You play Sol far too conservative, which is why you have so many problems. Also, you have gunflame and breakdown, both of these moves knock lots of servants on the ground, so your opponent can't really hide for crap when against Sol, bananas can be destroyed, alot of sins attacks can be punished on reaction by Sol. Ky is forced to play turtle, because of his god awful normals, Paradigm can't fight, or run for crap. If he wants to try to knock you on the ground, don't let him, it's easy enough to see coming.

Anyways, I think you've created a mental block, because of how much you degrade Sol. I'm not trying to get into a bunch of psychology mumbo jumbo, but you seem to have convinced yourself that Sol is terrible, so it's going to be pretty hard to be good with him if you go into every fight thinking on the negative.

[Blackgenma]

yeah, I admit, FlameAJ was pretty fucking beast (urgh, I wanted more matches against him to steal his tactics ), and I guess I am too biased against Sol, so I'll digress. I still think your exagertaing on his strengths, but that's my opinion. Izuna is a very solid master, and even if Sin can be punished on reaction of some of his attacks, a lot of his shit is RELATIVLY safe, and even AJ had trouble punishing his cheaper shit (side step, 6x, to infinity, Sin is next to impossible to hit. I did it to AJ just to steal his tactic to stop Sin, and he didn't really have one, the window of vulnerability is insanely small). the crap Aj does shouldn't be pinned on Sol too much, but rather the Player, as you've made that example with kimera and that sin vs paradigm thing. I told AJ that I've never seen a Sol as skilled as his when it came to master combat, so he was a rather unique case.

urgh, I've really been craving masters only. I learned so much from AJ becaus of it. panda, invite AJ and antikrby back, they won't listen to me, cuz I'm just that guy who makes occasional weekend cameos. Aj said he'd only come back if Antikirby and you were involved. xSol badguy doesn't like master only...

anyway, thanks for the advice on handling some of those troubling things. I will try to be a more intelligent, beastly, and agressive Sol. the whole "negative thinking" you mentioned is more then likely true in my case.

[PandaKingEX]

AJ doesn't exclusively play Sol, he also uses Izuna as his secondary, and Sin and Ky at times, but none of them even half as good as his Sol. Although, I'm not saying that it's all the character and not the player, but Sol has the flexibility and power that allows AJ to capitalize when necessary, and I understand what that is.

Most of my wins have come from Sol, anyways. I mean I switched to Sol just because of how easy it is to win with him. He is not even my favorite in the game, I just use him cause I guess I'm a tier whore kind of person...lol. Ironically enough, I used to call Sol low tier myself, but that was when I focused too much on servant play with him.

[Blackgenma]

hmm. then I Guess I better start exploiting him correctly then. I am focusing a lot on servant play, and I guess that's why I'm losing. that, and despite me picking him all the time, I'm not really confident with Sol (well, I'm more confident in 2 vs 2, so I go a little more crazy there. I just enjoy 2 vs 2 a lot more, so I don't care if I lose when I'm playing teams.) So, I'll start doing the direct approach, and buy stuff to kill masters.

man, I really wanna play this now. DAMN YOU SCHOOL!!!!

and if Sol really is as strong as you suggest, then that makes him kinda balanced, seeing how UTTER SHIT his tribe is. how else could he win, making use of pencil guys?

[Sol.Badguy]

I think.....YOU'RE BOTH WRONG! I think that Panda makes Sol sound too good, but I also think that Blackgemna makes Sol sound to bad. He definitely has options, and if played right he could be considered the best master, but I mean, you've got to stop thinking about Sol so much and consider how good the other characters of the cast are ( o . o ) Raven - 104 dmg needle to the back. Izuna 5x, 5x, 2x, 8y. Sin....in general, beak driver? Ky combo no tension. ETC. Yes Sol is good, but so is everyone else really. I guess panda has a point with paradigms terrible vs master..ness. But he's insane at clearing units. And considering he has so much that he can hide behind, Sol often doesn't even have a choice as to attacking him.

btw monster hunter 3 is the best. I love all the new monster themes, and hammer and lance are so sexy now.

I LOVE THE LANCE:yaaay:. but...HATE THE HAMMER:arg:!

Why do you like it? Moreover, Why do you like it more now?!? It seems like every weapon got new moves...Except the hammer. Why did they take out my precious Gunlance and Hunting horn?! ....and duel swords...

[Blackgenma]

yeah, I hear you, but Flame master AJ was stupid good at the fighting portion of the game. like...it was retarded how good he was. if there was someone who made Sol seem like the boogy man, it was him; so Panda's words hold some credibility. like I said, I used to think masters only was a joke until I fought him

HAHAHA! man I remember when I was actually stupid enough to fight AJ's Sol in masters only with paradigm once (I was trying to sub him and get used to master fights). OOOOH shit, that was ugly.

I wanna do 225 damage power attacks and 300 damage on VV to BD. the video recording it has been removed.

uh...what short amount of time I played MH3, I like playing as a gunner. fun. fun. point shoot, reload, fumble with the controls, fuck up on you roll, get pierced and die. it was worth it when you dodged like a pro. also running for your life when your the only target is pretty amusing.

if only I had a wii....

OH! here' a tip because I feel like being a nice guy. When Sol short dashes into a Bandit revolver, he cannot "bump" into anything, which is why its such a good escape move. this can be used to pursue master in groups AND....Sol can chase master behind ghosts in this matter to a limited extent. he hits the ghost and goes right past it. I don't do it all the time, but it helps keep Sol on the opponent's ass, right where you want him.

you wanna know something else? well, I almost never use it, but the few times I have, I feel like GOD. short dash at the opponent. when Sol short dashes, opponents almost never stay still (unless they SUCK) so they usually walk or side step to a side. look carefully on the side stepping and walking habits of the opponent and make note of them. this isn't only good for the standard side step stopping attack but something more epic! short dash, lock off, and power attack to the left or right. I did it on audio haddock and it was funny as hell. Flame AJ did it to me, and I was convinced he locked on to me or something until I asked him. really great way to mess with your opponent, as long as you DON'T' MESS IT UP because you really don't notice Sol's not facing the right direction when he does it.

BEAK DRIVER!!!!!!! and with Izuna, its (L) x, x, x, (forward step) (F) x, y, (L) j, x, (land) x, 2x, x, j, x, 8y, (catch them during recovery) mash 8y when they get down to your level. does like 499 damage in most cases. if the guy doesn't want to recover, use 8x instead of 8y. I got killed with this online when I was paradigm.