Guilty Gear 2: Overture released

[rallamajoop]

@Biologin I'm pretty sure That Man was still referred to as having three servants (ie, likely including I-no even if she doesn't appear), but his goals don't actually seem to be as closely related to the Overture plot as we might've expected, so it's not unreasonable she just wouldn't have shown up.

I think there was some hint that Aria was Justice - maybe her original human name? I'd have to go back through theria's scripts and notes to check for certain. I'm pretty sure she's not connected to Solaria at all, anyway.

@Blade theria had some better suggestions for how to translate Sin's mother's title than my try of 'shadowed one', I think she suggested 'Lady of the Bower' and some other versions. Anyway, something relating to the forest would be more accurate.

@theria or anyone interested in the Night of Knives CDs I managed to track down a complete Japanese script for the CDs if it's any use to anyone. We were planning to have a go at translating them once we're done with the manga, but considering the manga translation's not exactly rocketing along, I wouldn't count on us getting to it too soon.

[theria]

I'd like a copy of the Japanese script for Night of Knives regardless. It's so much easier to have something to read along with the audio. PM me for my e-mail or I'm frequently on Windows Messenger IM (not as often Yahoo).

[Suzaku]

Abominable K: Once again, as far as I've seen, nothing has stated that the X-series is "non-canon", just that they are gaiden (sidestories), as in not a major part of the overall plot.

Izuna is a Gear?

No. Both he and his servants appear to be youkai; an "izuna" is in fact a type of fox spirit. Though he's a self-described inhabitant of the Backyard, it's not where he's originally from. His actual birthplace isn't specified, but it's probably some sort of spiritual plane, and judging from his mannerisms and style of dress (which reflect that of the ronin), he seems to be a vagabond or even an outcast.

His stage, Yomotsu Hirasaka, resembles Japan, and exists outside of the physical world in an unspecified location; the Yomotsu Hirasaka (Broad Slope to the Underworld) is the hill that leads to Yomi (the Underworld) in Shinto mythology.

For some clarification, what is dubbed as the "Backyard" is essentially a higher dimensional plane which holds great sway over the laws of the physical world. What is known as "magic" is actually the manipulation of the Backyard made manifest in the physical plane; the power it holds is so strong that carelessly manipulating it could result in the world's destruction.

The Backyard has no "ties" to the Gears, or "That Man", (or anyone really), it's just one of several planes which exist in the GG-verse.

Also, the "Shadowed One" - Her name (Kokage no Kimi) would probably be more accurately translated as, "The Lady in the Shade of a Tree".

[Zazz]

So Izuna is a normal (to use a term) creature of eastern myth, much like how Slayer, being a vampire, is a creature of western myth, right?

The aftermath is that Millia actually tries to get several families to adopt the children, and Johnny comes along and finds..who else...May.

i am reminded of that art from the GG1 complete bible of Johnny talking to a little May (which can be found at BioLogin's site of course).

Abominable K: Once again, as far as I've seen, nothing has stated that the X-series is "non-canon", just that they are gaiden (sidestories), as in not a major part of the overall plot.

every mention of the term "non-canon" stems from EChang's posts on his LJ over some recent video interviews Daisuke did.

but yeah the term gaiden always hit me as "this stuff is kinda important" but it still happened and deserves telling. Kinda like all the news surrounding the new SRW: Original Generations Gaiden, which really just adds more characters without killing any playable characters and even retcons a few deaths along the way.

[Diesel]

No. Both he and his servants appear to be youkai; an "izuna" is in fact a type of fox spirit. Though he's a self-described inhabitant of the Backyard, it's not where he's originally from. His actual birthplace isn't specified, but it's probably some sort of spiritual plane, and judging from his mannerisms and style of dress (which reflect that of the ronin), he seems to be a vagabond or even an outcast.

His stage, Yomotsu Hirasaka, resembles Japan, and exists outside of the physical world in an unspecified location; the Yomotsu Hirasaka (Broad Slope to the Underworld) is the hill that leads to Yomi (the Underworld) in Shinto mythology.

For some clarification, what is dubbed as the "Backyard" is essentially a higher dimensional plane which holds great sway over the laws of the physical world. What is known as "magic" is actually the manipulation of the Backyard made manifest in the physical plane; the power it holds is so strong that carelessly manipulating it could result in the world's destruction.

The Backyard has no "ties" to the Gears, or "That Man", (or anyone really), it's just one of several planes which exist in the GG-verse.

Also, the "Shadowed One" - Her name (Kokage no Kimi) would probably be more accurately translated as, "The Lady in the Shade of a Tree".

Ahh alrighty, I was wondering cause Blade classified him as a Gear and I was like "what? I thought he was a fox demon". Thanks for the info about the backyard, I think you mentioned it a few pages back. e.e

Well, that's another proof that other species other than gears and human exist in the GG world.

And what about Valentine? Is she a Gear?

[Sephi_hatu]

In regards to I-no not being there, this makes sense. She went on a rampage when around these characters last. Why would that man send her out against them?

[rallamajoop]

Here's an exact quote from E. Chang's LJ when he was asked about the non-canon thing:

Q: I know they're considered gaidens, but did he really say they were non-canon?

A: By context, yes. He was addressing why there are so many discontinuities between the X series and GG1. So he said GG Overture is the 'true sequel' to GG1, and basically since there are so many inconsistencies between 1/2 and X/XX, that X/XX aren't part of the 'real' storyline.

To be fairer, I'd call GGX and GG2 alternate universes much like the ones from the Side Red/Side Black drama CDs - so both as 'real' a version of canon as you want, but separate from each other. If anyone else wants a listen through the interviews he was talking about to double check, he links them here: http://skuldnoshinpu.livejournal.com/587064.html

Strangely, I'm pretty sure I haven't seen the same thing addressed in any of the Japanese FAQs about Overture I've seen, so it doesn't seem to be common knowledge. Speaking of which, has everyone seen the Japanese Overture wiki? It doesn't cover a lot of plot stuff, but there's battle quotes, links to vids and tons of other info.

[CABINET SMASHER]

Just out of curiosity, did Solaria have a ribbon in her hair?

[Sephi_hatu]

Here's an exact quote from E. Chang's LJ when he was asked about the non-canon thing:

Q: I know they're considered gaidens, but did he really say they were non-canon?

A: By context, yes. He was addressing why there are so many discontinuities between the X series and GG1. So he said GG Overture is the 'true sequel' to GG1, and basically since there are so many inconsistencies between 1/2 and X/XX, that X/XX aren't part of the 'real' storyline.

To be fairer, I'd call GGX and GG2 alternate universes much like the ones from the Side Red/Side Black drama CDs - so both as 'real' a version of canon as you want, but separate from each other. If anyone else wants a listen through the interviews he was talking about to double check, he links them here: http://skuldnoshinpu.livejournal.com/587064.html

Strangely, I'm pretty sure I haven't seen the same thing addressed in any of the Japanese FAQs about Overture I've seen, so it doesn't seem to be common knowledge. Speaking of which, has everyone seen the Japanese Overture wiki? It doesn't cover a lot of plot stuff, but there's battle quotes, links to vids and tons of other info.

I get the feeling that the only thing that'll clear this up is a new interview.

[Vicioso]

[rallamajoop]

I get the feeling that the only thing that'll clear this up is a new interview.

There sure must be plenty of questions fandom would want to ask him around now. >< But it'd be the same as the others - even the Japanese fans wouldn't necessarily listen to every interview, so it's a pretty sloppy way of getting the info out there. Which is why they really need to make this stuff clearer in the actual damn game if we're supposed to know about it at all.

Had a listen through the inteviews myself. Ishiwatari talks really fast and quietly, and my Japanese is nowhere near up to following it all, but I think I heard him say the GG2 series 'becomes a parallel world from around GGX onwards' at about 1:30 into the first one. If I'm right, that'd fit with my working theory that the female Gear in Overture either wasn't the Dizzy we know, or the circumstances around her being found were different enough to make the thing with her and Ky plausible. Probably not safe to quote me on this though.

@CABINET SMASHER No, Solaria doesn't wear a ribbon, nor does she match anything else we know about our mystery Gear-girl from Overture (in short, she has much the same backstory as Dizzy up to the point where she and Ky run off to make babies together, though she doesn't look particularly like Dizzy from the few glimpses we've seen). Honestly, I'm pretty sure canon has forgotten about her whole existance since the end of the novel

[CABINET SMASHER]

I'm only saying because I think it's a pretty tell-tale sign of who it is. PRESIDENT GABRIEL

[Abominable K]

I'm pretty sure he was kidding, as this:

isn't exactly the ribbon type.

[Zazz]

quick summary of the Overture's clusterfuck of a story

http://community.livejournal.com/guilty_gear/264637.html

OH GOD THERE'S A DIAGRAM

[KD]

quick summary of the Overture's clusterfuck of a story

http://community.livejournal.com/guilty_gear/264637.html

OH GOD THERE'S A DIAGRAM

It doesn't help that diagram still has stuff that is speculated from the X series. XD

[fatewalker]

quick summary of the Overture's clusterfuck of a story

http://community.livejournal.com/guilty_gear/264637.html

OH GOD THERE'S A DIAGRAM

one Issue i have with that site is that it say's oVerture takes place the same time that GGX would have. but last i checked GGX was less then a year after GG.

needless to say after watching the story of GG2 the game looks great IMO. any word on a saeside release?

[Suzaku]

Yeah, whoever it was that typed that stuff up got a few details off. GG Overture is the official continuation of GG, X and XX are a side-series. Overture is "about" ten years after GG (or was it GGXX?), I don't remember if they got more specific.

[Hedonistic]

Huh. I thought the timeskip between GG and Overture was only 5 years. O_o Must've been wrong.

[CABINET SMASHER]

Yeeeeaaaahhh....I gotta remember to ignore Cabinet Smasher's posts from now on.

Ah, I'm hurt.

I'm just saying that, I'd swear on my life that I saw ribbons in the hair of "that gear in stasis" that Ky gave his life for. I love how Japan can't get enough of that "it's obvious who it is, but we DARE NOT SAY!" shit.

[rallamajoop]

Yeah, whoever it was that typed that stuff up got a few details off. GG Overture is the official continuation of GG, X and XX are a side-series. Overture is "about" ten years after GG (or was it GGXX?), I don't remember if they got more specific.

Have you got a source for the ten year figure? I know a lot of people were saying 'nine years' when the first scan appeared, but that was due to people misinterpretting a line that said "Nine years after the original Guilty Gear was released for the playstation," referring to the gap between 1998 when GG1 came out and 2007 when GG2 came out. The official site only says GG2 is set "several years after GG1" as far as I can see.

The Japanese wiki I've been getting most of my info from did say it's officially 5 years after GG1, which is the figure I've been working with, though I'm not actually sure where they got their number from either.

To fatewalker: No-one's said GG2 happens when GGX happened in the usual timeline, that's just supposed to be when the two timelines split off in different directions. Whatever the detail, it's definitely several years later on.

[Suzaku]

Yeah, pardon me, you're right. Just checked the normal Japanese wikipedia article, and it says 5 years after GG.

[SSMugen]

The Game Got a 29/40 from Famitsu so The average would be safe to say...73/100 Not bad I guess. GG2 Overture is said to have taken place about 5 years after GG so that means it takes place 2-3 years after GGXX from the various sources I found Wikipedia, GG2 offical site etc. But I'm not too sure about it yet.

[Suzaku]

Guilty Gear 2: Overture Complete Guide is out.

Anyone gonna buy this and scan the artwork and other possible interesting tidbits?

[Hedonistic]

Guilty Gear 2: Overture Complete Guide is out.

Anyone gonna buy this and scan the artwork and other possible interesting tidbits?

ohmagahwd.

WHY SO GAY SIN

WHY SO GAY

And I love how Ky's all "Whazzafugg iz diz shit?"

BABY BOY IS BEING REBELLIOUS.

[Hatred Edge]

Oh.. That's Ky's son alright. straight homo poses like Ky's Isuka art.