[CS1] Bang vs Valkenhayn

[DaiAndOh]

He's out. So no time like the present for a matchup thread.

[rei-Scarred]

This character is ridiculously good. I'd put the matchup at 6-4 Valk's favor no joke. I was fighting LostSoul so there may be some bias there but wtf was aksys thinking when they made this character.

So yeah oh look a character besides litchi where its pointless to space with 5B cause you'll just get CH for unheard of damage. At least with Litchi if you are really tricky you can punish j.C spamming with a well placed 5B but Valk's j.C is safe (i think?). 5B is really high risk high reward in this matchup unfortunately. So yeah ground to air is in valks favor here (also don't try to AA him with 5A it will almost never beat any of his aerials).

Air to air in this matchup feels like Tao vs Bang. At any time he can do a wolf dash and fly out of harms way, or right into range to hit you with his j.C which has AMAZING priority. Luckily he cant pick it up into anything but super but youll be in oki just like Bang's j.C and that sucks against Valk.

And finally air to ground against Valk. Bottom line don't do it. CH AA 2C is Ragna 6A tier and leads to 4.8K. Best AA in the game.

In terms of pressure Valk is thankfully not above Bang but its so damn close it doesnt even matter. 6C is hands down the best overhead in the game and if you get hit by it in the corner say goodbye to half your life. If you block it, big deal cause he can then 5C 236A for free pressure reset (IB?) or cancel into wolf dash for a ridiculously fast second overhead straight into low pressure when he lands. This can be 5Ad I believe but it isn't easy to react to. Also the uppercut overhead is extremely fast and leads to huge damage. You have to block it on reaction anyway because the sweep is equally fast and leads to just as much.

Now I know this post is extremely negative but I do have some positive points. Valk has no reversal so you can go crazy on your oki. Be careful with 5A pressure though because he can low profile with 2B or if you whiff a 5A he can punish with 2A (yup even his 2A is a ridiculous poke)

I can't think of anything else but most importantly is that he has no answers to your pressure so you need to gain momentum and KEEP IT. Someone who has the time to check what can be IB 5Ad in this matchup would also be really helpful cause right now his pressure is just as crippling as ours and his neutral game is better. Hope this posts helps. Fight LostSoul526 if you want to die repeatedly to a Valkenhayn

edit: nvm litchi 6A is the best overhead.

edit2: IB backdash might be actually useful in this matchup. needs further testing

[Tofma]

you can just ib 236a and that'll leave valk at a disadvantage

isnt valks wolf rush super invincible?

[rei-Scarred]

I've been hit by 236A 2A when i tried to IB 5A. Might have low profiled but that would just make it pointless to try to punish that move. I'm willing to admit that I messed up though.

[huey253]

2A 5B 5C 236A X N is the scrub killer blocking string, ib or die

valkenhayn is very silly but nobody has a 6-4 on bang.

especially if they don't have a reversal

[rei-Scarred]

He has an AA that basically tells Bang jump or die and he out spaces his 5B.

I guess really Valk Bang is 5-5 and Litchi Bang must be 6-4 then cause not only does Litchi have both of those things, but she also has a reversal and MUCH better oki when that 2C combo finishes.

[huey253]

litchi's 5B loses to bang's 5B.

bang has dnails

litchi's dp sucks.

its possible 5.5 in bang's favor, but most call it even.

valkenhayn can't really combo off his anti air, and ragna's is better anyways.

[ShoMeYaMoves]

valkenhayn can't really combo off his anti air

And then huey revealed he hadn't actually played a good Valk.

[huey253]

6A? i was pretty sure you couldn't combo of it unless it launched you into the corner and was counter hit.

if your talking about 2C, there are alot better anti airs to bitch about.

like ragna's 6A.

i don't have too much matchup experience, but i do know how retarded valkenhayn pressure is. however, its not unbeatable.

[iw2ma]

2C is Valks real anti air.

6A is his invincible gtf off me move. (not really invincible, just saying)

Comboes off of 2C are deadly

[huey253]

still, i don't think claiming that this matchup is valkenhayn's favor because of his normals, damage and anti airs.

i mean look at little ole ragna. that guy has the best normals in the game...

poor ragna.

[rei-Scarred]

Valk gets 4.8K off 2C and its hitbox is literally almost as big as Tager's 2C (jk but its huge). Ragna gets what off 6A, 3.5K?

and Ragna Bang isn't a bad matchup for Ragna anymore. Ragna vs Bang in CT was easier for me than it is now.

[huey253]

bang vs ragna might of been questionably in bang's favor in early cs.

but its more concrete now. ragna can't keep up lol.

and ragna just throws out 6A and it works, 9/10 times...

valkenhayn's 2C isn't that braindead

[ShoMeYaMoves]

bang vs ragna might of been questionably in bang's favor in early cs.

but its more concrete now. ragna can't keep up lol.

and ragna just throws out 6A and it works, 9/10 times...

valkenhayn's 2C isn't that braindead

You'd be surprised, Valk 2C can actually combo off a trade.

[rei-Scarred]

You'd be surprised, Valk 2C can actually combo off a trade.

This. The move is literally heatless Jayoku with no super flash get at him.

Just kidding its not a reversal :p.

[sergetrigger]

How does valk's 6a work? Is it like ragna's?

[huey253]

no its more like CT rachel's 6A

[sergetrigger]

Oh god... You just gave me nightmares.

[DaiAndOh]

He gets almost 0 off of 6a though, I doubt he'll be doing it much...

[rei-Scarred]

Ok after playing Valk offline I can say with 100% confidence IBing the tackle ruins Valk. I'll say this match is 5.5-4.5 Bang now. Valk still has plenty of tools.

[kilabeep3]

when is this fucking buttler coming out for 360??

i wanna see how this fool plays like.