[CS2] Mu-12 CS2 Changes Discussion

[Mizzet]

I'm honestly wondering how Mu is going to ever start a proper combo without 3c 2b pickup. You can do 5c 6c on crouch and that's it if I didn't forget anything, I don't play Mu often so perhaps I did. You need to land some kind of launcher and that's pretty much 6c now. I'm guessing she will have some other way to launch that's accessible and replaces 3c 2b if the latter becomes invalidated, can't imagine how you would ever get any damage otherwise.

[Big Red Tie]

perhaps... j.2C will bounce on normal hit?

that would open up combos a lot

[SolarMisae]

SoD wallbounce yo. That'd be fun shenanigans.

In all seriousness, j.2C bounce also sounds like an interesting idea. If this 3C thing sticks I really wonder how they'd intend to make up for taking away one of her few launch options.

[Big Red Tie]

well she has other launch options

they're just CH only atm soooo

2B 2C j.2C 6B 6A etc. would be delicious.

[SolarMisae]

Oh, yeah forgot about CHs. Of course I still hold my point, since only one non CH launch option is still pretty lame. I don't like the idea of having to run around, trying to poke people out of attacks while hoping to hear that annoying announcer voice scream "COUNTAH" so I can get off a semi-decent damaging combo. orz

Anyways, that right there. Oh yes, j.2C into 6B...I like that, I like that quite a lot.

Make it so Arcsys.

[Big Red Tie]

or they could have increased untech time on other moves to allow pickup with 2B

like normal j.2C for instance (so it wouldn't have to bounce on normal hit)

i don't see them redesigning her combos entirely

[SolarMisae]

I sure hope not. 2B pickup was just too fun to see it go completely.

I'll just be patient for and wait to see with what they come up with, hopefully nothing too drastic or disappointing.

[Mizzet]

Mu:

+ 2C > 6C combos on standing.

Ta dahhh

I'm worried though that launching someone with 6c from ground level after 2c - as opposed to 3c 2b - will limit what you can follow up with as they start out much lower and reach the floor quicker.

[SolarMisae]

It just might mean a lot tighter timing for the followups, but won't ACTUALLY limit our options...I hope...

[Silfer]

Wait...so does that mean that 6C has less range? does that work point blank? or they changed 2C so that it launches on normal hit?

[FlyingVe]

Yay! 2C>6C will work at a much longer range than the current 3C>2B

Also, the fact that 2B>2C and 2C>6C work supports the threory that her C moves are faster. Say hello to all kinds of 6C punishes.

[Shockna]

If they're letting Ragna do 22C off 3C, I don't see why they can't just reduce the recovery from Mu's 3C so we could still do 2B off it.

Will the new combo allow us to still do the same combos? 2C - 6C seems like it'd be similar to the existing 3C - 2B - 5C - 6C - xD - j.c - Whatever combos in terms of how the air time actually works.

Edit: Scratch that, looks like FlyingVe already answered my question.

[Silfer]

Oh I get it now, nice!, now just make 214D(hit) combos possible and we're all set :3

[FlyingVe]

I would also like to add the 2C is JC'able while 3C isn't. This could let you hitconfirm the end of the blockstring and GTFO. I still don't like the 3C changes, they seem to just make most 3C's worthless.

[Silfer]

It seems that all the 3C bullshit ended up being a blessing in disguise, but I agree, dont like it. I dont see any reason to use 3C anymore.

Anyways BoT:

Just to confirm: would 2B->2C->6C combo point blank?

-btw- I dunno about gtfo of the string, what with all those air unblockable moves :S

[FlyingVe]

Yeah, that;s right. ALso, because 2C kinda hits everywhere it will work from a good distance away. The reason I said you could GTFO is, after a string of pressure (5B>2BxN stuff) you could always go into 2C and jump. Currently if you did 2C, you'd be giving up a potential hit. Not a big difference but I like my standard block string to end on a + move or a JC-able one.

Now if we get 2C to launch a bit on non-CH we're in business.

Also, the adding more air unblockables is a good change. Make it so jumping out of pressure is something the other player will actually have to think about, and take a risk doing.

[Silfer]

This made my day :3

[FlyingVe]

This was just posted, it's a system change but is very relevant for Mu-12:

+ No proration on guard crushes.

Guard crush = 6K

[Silfer]

And with the changes on the burst system, getting guard breaks with her will be a breeze, 1 furu no tsurugi setup and they're done!

[Jugiatsu]

So wait. I am not the biggest fighting game fan so some of the lingo has gone over my head.

By 3C no longer being "techable," this means we can no longer use 3C > 2B to get our combos working right?

Instead we now have to use 2C > 6C? This is...............going to hurt.

[FlyingVe]

It's not that bad. Mu doesn't rely on 3C>2B so much as she relies on combing into 6C, because after landing 6C all kinds of games become possible. The new combo will likely look like this 2A>[5B>2B]xn>(5C)>2C>6C>games. Also, you could JC the 2C for safety. This does however, eliminate 3C>6A>6C>214D wiff combos, but those were very situational so it's not a big loss.

Also, somebody posted something in the general loketest discussion about her loops and dash 2B not working. As far as I know there have been no changes to j2C so all her loops and Dash2B pickups after j2C should work just fine, and the 2B>2C link will add a smidgen of damage.

[Aginor]

Do also keep in mind when you discuss about 6c into stuff that, if you were to do xx 2c 6c, it won't launch the opponent as high as 2b 5c 6c since 2b actually picks them off the ground. So pretty much we'd still have to come up with new set ups or you can push them away and put the game to neutral with 63214c.

[FlyingVe]

It might hurt 236D oki but wouldn't it still give us enough time for the crossunder? I think you can do most setups of a grounded 6C hit.

[Silfer]

I dont see that much of a problem provided we still have j2C->2B pickups. Besides that, if they're really trying to reduce comboability (hope I spelled that right :S) on chars, then it might no be so bad in comparison.

Still, there's 1 more loketest to go + final build so nothing is etched in stone.

What I AM worried about though is her corner game...everyone seems to be getting some extent of corner rape...I dont see it happening with Mu the way she is now :S

[Big Red Tie]

-btw- I dunno about gtfo of the string, what with all those air unblockable moves :S

pretty sure that by unblockable it is meant that you need to barrier them