[CPEX] Hakumen Gameplay Discussion

[entnervt]

Due to his nerfed metergain in 1.1 it's not that bad to have a more grounded combo route. It seems that they love it to force Hakumen players to learn him anew every few literations.

Edit: I fear that he's going to be like in CS2. I would prefer CT Hakumen over CS2 Hakumen.

[spesialo]

https://twitter.com/gerosyabu1230/status/497234969706520576
 

Shippuu wave from OD Mugen>gurren>zantesu>kishuu>2C>hotaru>j2C>tsubaki>renka>kishuu>6C>shippuu = 9000 dmg
 

The last shippuu deals 3000-4000 dmg

 

The mugen is real.

[Seigi]

Enma > 5C, 2C

 

or Enma > 5C, 2B>5A ect could stil work if 5C is not nerfed. I wounder what is going on with J2A

[mAc Chaos]

Hmm. j.2A > j.C IAD might lead to something. Maybe we could do some IAD combo again.

[BlackYakuzu94]

https://twitter.com/gerosyabu1230/status/497234969706520576

 

Shippuu wave from OD Mugen>gurren>zantesu>kishuu>2C>hotaru>j2C>tsubaki>renka>kishuu>6C>shippuu = 9000 dmg

 

The last shippuu deals 3000-4000 dmg

 

The mugen is real.

 

They actually listened to me, holy shit.

[Seigi]

Or in the corner could be something like :  Enma > 5C, 2C > j.2A > j.C, 5C, 2C> j.B ect for more damage without metter maybe?

[mAc Chaos]

j2A gatlings into jC, and you can presumably IAD after that.

 

So it would be more like Enma 5C, 2C > j2A > jC > IAD (j2A?) jC, 5C, 2C > j2A > jC IAD jC 5C 3C

 

also 6C is supposed to work after enma in the corner

 

of course this can all change in the next loketest

[BlackYakuzu94]

Was it confirmed you can IAD after J.C?

[mAc Chaos]

Could you not before? I actually don't remember.

[Seigi]

Neither jump cancels or instant air dashes will work after j.C so far.

[mAc Chaos]

Oh, I see now. I was thinking of jC > Hotaru > airdash. But jC gatling doesn't add anything there really.

 

There goes my theory.

[Warhound]

*notices no changes to Zanshin*

 

[Seigi]

Well, j.C > Hotaru on the corner does pretty good damage.It would be nice if it was something like that in midscreen BnB combos. By the way, I want the EX version of hotaru to come back xD

[Raziul]

For some reason I was thinking of j.2A gatling into j.2C. I guess that would have been too useful for them to give us.

 

Will we be able to do something like j.2A > jc > j.B > J.2A > j.C for an air ender?

[Schneider-X]

I'm surprised their reworking hakumen's combo routes again in this loketest.  I'm just going to worry about the final changes we have since we've had wonky loketests in the past.

[Warhound]

While I'm happy we potentially could have a different combo route...Hakumen needs some real changes. I don't want to be that "Zanshin guy" but seriously, they need to take a good look at what they want from Haku as a character.

[dioxideUniversa]

don't worry you are not the "that zanshin guy"

 

i lurk around wondering if they're going to fix what i didn't like about him in CP (ie no zanshin facilitating defensive gameplay)

 

 

 

 

ps: the new spoiler tag sucks ( i don't post okay )

[Raziul]

Does our astral not activate off of command grabs?

[Schneider-X]

which command grab are you talking about?  It should in theory.

[Raziul]

Had it pretty much ignore Terumi's. Need to watch the replay and see if it just ran out of active frames, but it looked like it just passed right through me before I could jump or anything.

 

Yep. That's what appears to have happened. In the replay it shows it hitting me, but I don't remember it happening that way, so must have been some weird lag.

[BlackYakuzu94]

So did anybody know that you can combo from his drives when OD is active? As in without using the Enma followup; apparently his drives cause ground bounce in OD and you can link 5C>xxx afterward.

[mAc Chaos]

I think that was mentioned a while ago. It's just that normally you don't use naked OD.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Ahh, I said so because it's not even mentioned on his frame data.

[mAc Chaos]

I totally forgot about it, so it was still good to bring up.

It would be the kind of thing that would be useful to note in the frame data notes, or the wiki side.

[Soviet Bear]

So did anybody know that you can combo from his drives when OD is active? As in without using the Enma followup; apparently his drives cause ground bounce in OD and you can link 5C>xxx afterward.

 

I've known this from day 1, but I have never actually gotten to use it. A problem with OD is that if you miss the moment to use it, the opponent goes into heavy defensive mode. It's a similar issue as with going into Mugen. I've only ever landed Yukikaze as far as drives go in OD.