Hyen Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 is a TK hirentotsu is important for combo in CSE? i don't play CSE though
_Sey Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 is a TK hirentotsu is important for combo in CSE? i don't play CSE though TK hirentotsu loop is pretty much the only combo that Hazama's should do in CS:EX~ And even if you don't have CS:EX yet, you can practice it in CS2.
Hyen Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 it is possible to do that in cs2? the only combo for CSEX?wew can u trollin with that?
Zeron_X25 Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Yeah you can. Refer to the CS2 super tutorial for some CS2 tk loop combos.
Kakimori Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 I'm thinking about getting into Hazama...because...well, I really like snakes (too bad Mizuchi sucks now). But the thing is that I've always found him really awkward to play as. I love some things like his Ouroboros throw, his 214D~B, the frame advantage off a blocked LV2 214D~A, and the fact that he can shut down other characters' zoning attempts hard. But he can't run, and his dash/airdash is not nearly as good as Valkenhayn's (what I'm used to), which means that he is almost completely reliant on his chains to be mobile, and using THEM seems to be almost an art form that takes time to develop, plus if you use them too much you're stuck in terribad movement mode for a while. His normals also have NO range except for 3C and most of his combos require a lot of inputs in different directions (read: a lot of opportunities for me to mess up). There's always 236D (Jabaki) as a quick ranged poke, but you can't follow up very much off of it that I know of. I have trouble escaping from heavy pressure in the corner, and trouble following up after landing Jayoku Houtenjin. Anyway, if he feels awkward to me, does that mean that he's probably not right for me? Or does he feel awkward to everybody when they start out with him? I don't see very many Hazamas online and the ones I see are rarely very good, so I've sort of started to think he must be pretty hard to learn. Are there any useful tips people can give me, just basic and simple blockstrings, strategies, and mini-combos that you find yourself using to good effect in most of your matches?
Shazam Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12053-Hazama-Chain-Zoning-Guide-*Work-in-progress* Check out this thread for some tips. He's not an easy character to play as but you'll develop a style with him over time, and his combos are not all that hard after a bit of practice. Look up pro Japanese Hazamas, my two favorites are Mitsurugi and Noze. There's a lot to learn but to start you need to focus on your drive, movements and how to zone. Read around the forums, there's a lot of info and old posts to help get you started.
Putin Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) I started practicing the loop yesterday in CS2, and I'd like to know how many reps you can do in a couple of combos before you can't even pick them up with 5C. The combos are: CH 3C > Zaneiga (2) > 6C > dash > TK loop xn in the corner. CH 3C > Zaneiga (2) > 6C > dash 2C > j5Cx5 > 2C > TK loop xn near the corner. I always drop the first one after 3 reps, the second after 4. Including j5Cx5 > 2C > TK seems to make the combos a lot easier to me. Also, any combos with more reps are welcome, no matter how good or bad they are. I just wanna learn the loop. Edited February 7, 2012 by Putin
MetalMaelstrom Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 I'm pretty sure you can do 5 reps or at least 4 reps + 5C > 2C > 214D~B just off of raw blue Zaneiga.
Shikka Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 Sorry if this is the wrong place or its been answered but I didnt see anything. I'm having trouble with the TK j214b combos. The 5c after the j214b always blue beats no matter how fast I do it. Is there a specific timing of the j214b?
MetalMaelstrom Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 Possibly considering making a TK loop FAQ thread. Please read these posts: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12859-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin-!-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin!-Fedora-Boyz&p=1239866&viewfull=1#post1239866 http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12859-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin-!-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin!-Fedora-Boyz&p=1229084&viewfull=1#post1229084 This video could help as well (just make a nico nico account if you don't already have one, it's easy): http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16877566?via=thumb_watch
Shikka Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 ah thanks I was super jumping the 214b. ok back to practicing
LD Jeyu Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 So, I am wondering what Hazama's most damaging combo midscreen and corner combos are. I have been playing around a lot with him in CSX and I don't seem to pull a lot of damage out of no where like I used to. So I was wondering what other people have come up with.
MetalMaelstrom Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 Midscreen: 214D~C > (dash) 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 5C > 214D~B > 3C* Damage: 4000, Heat Gain: 69 (Note: keep in mind this is not a (S)214D~C starter, which causes significantly more damage) Corner: 5C > 236236B > (S)214D~C > CU 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > 5C > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > 623D > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > 5C > 2C > 214D~B > 3C > (632146C) Damage: 6801, Heat Gain: -50+67 Net = +17 + 632146C = Damage: 7881, Heat Gain: -50+67-50 Net = -33 This is why we have a wiki, people, and why people like ZeroRaider, Zeron, KayEff, and myself have all contributed. Also, I should be putting up some of the practical combos from Noze's video as well as a TK-loop tutorial on the wiki later today.
LD Jeyu Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 It has been a while since I have been on DL. I didn't even notice the wiki. I just made a new log in today because I couldn't remember my old one. But thanks, I'll go check it out and thanks.
Zeron_X25 Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 I never get tired of answering the same question as long as they're nice.
Hyen Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) I never get tired of answering the same question as long as they're nice. zeron for president,yeah for cs2 hazama combo http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12533-CS2-Hazama-Super-Tutorial for csex hazama just go to wiki http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hazama_(BBCSE) tats stuff help me alot Edited February 22, 2012 by Hyen
Zeron_X25 Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 zeron for president,yeah for cs2 hazama combo http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12533-CS2-Hazama-Super-Tutorial for csex hazama just go to wiki http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hazama_(BBCSE) tats stuff help me alot I made the page and put the moves and stuff with the pics but ZeroRaider and MetalMaelstrom were the ones to shape the thing and add combos and such. And you're welcome.
jellotek Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 Does it matter how you tk hirentotsu? I've been doing 2147B, but I'm having a lot of trouble with the loop. Not too sure if it's my timing with 5C/2C or something else.
MetalMaelstrom Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 Does it matter how you tk hirentotsu? I've been doing 2147B, but I'm having a lot of trouble with the loop. Not too sure if it's my timing with 5C/2C or something else. Read these bits with the stuff in them. I think there's a thing that makes the thing you were having trouble with easier probably: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12859-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin-!-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin!-Fedora-Boyz&p=1239866&viewfull=1#post1239866 http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12859-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin-!-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin!-Fedora-Boyz&p=1229084&viewfull=1#post1229084 Watch this bit too, it's helpful for those fruit loops you're trying to get. It's in Japanish, and you need one of those silly online profiles, but it's a video so just follow your nose wherever it goes: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16877566?via=thumb_watch
jellotek Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 Read these bits with the stuff in them. I think there's a thing that makes the thing you were having trouble with easier probably: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12859-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin-!-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin!-Fedora-Boyz&p=1239866&viewfull=1#post1239866 http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12859-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin-!-Lane-Changin-Chain-Swangin!-Fedora-Boyz&p=1229084&viewfull=1#post1229084 Watch this bit too, it's helpful for those fruit loops you're trying to get. It's in Japanish, and you need one of those silly online profiles, but it's a video so just follow your nose wherever it goes: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16877566?via=thumb_watch Yeah. Actually, I read both of those posts AND watched the video. lol. Does 2147B count as superjumping the TK? I've managed to loop it once, but it's nowhere near a consistent basis. Maybe I'll try 963214B and see what happens... Thanks, though!
Zeron_X25 Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 Yeah. Actually, I read both of those posts AND watched the video. lol. Does 2147B count as superjumping the TK? I've managed to loop it once, but it's nowhere near a consistent basis. Maybe I'll try 963214B and see what happens... Thanks, though! I do 8214B. You're welcome try either methods. They're basically the same.
_Sey Posted February 24, 2012 Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Yeah. Actually, I read both of those posts AND watched the video. lol. Does 2147B count as superjumping the TK? I've managed to loop it once, but it's nowhere near a consistent basis. Maybe I'll try 963214B and see what happens... Thanks, though! Depends on how fast you input 2147B, but yes, that's how you "sj tk 2147B". I'd say try with 9214B / 8214B~ Edited February 24, 2012 by _Sey
jellotek Posted February 25, 2012 Posted February 25, 2012 Depends on how fast you input 2147B, but yes, that's how you "sj tk 2147B". I'd say try with 9214B / 8214B~ I've had much better luck with 8/9214B. ...Then I freak out and screw up the timing on the 5C/2C's. lol. At least now I know what to do. Thanks guys.
yashanyu1 Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 So for TK loops, whats a few ways to improve consistency? i know tk'in with 8/9 j.214b is the way to go and I delay the 5C>2C as long as possible but i still find it difficult to get 3 consistent loops.
Putin Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) I find it easier when I delay the first 2C as much as possible. Other than that, keep at it until your wrists hurt. I know mine did. D: If you actually do get the timing correctly, then the only reason for you to drop it would be accidentally superjumping, I really got no tips on that. If it's just the timing that screws you up, then go with what I said. I still panic when I do the first rep too fast, even if I actually can 5C pickup afterwards. After a few days you'll also realize that the timing is not that strict. I often find my self thinking "that 2C was too fast, combo dropped", but I go for 5C nevertheless and pick them up. There's nothing more in TKing than grinding it really. Edited February 28, 2012 by Putin
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