A.X.I.S. Posted February 7, 2011 Author Posted February 7, 2011 I updated the thread. CrazyI go to sleep. Why am I up? I am sick and spent a good deal of yesterday sleeping so updating the thread now was something I chose to do. FYI I am suffering because of this illness.
CrazyI-nomitsu Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 I updated the thread. CrazyI go to sleep. Why am I up? I am sick and spent a good deal of yesterday sleeping so updating the thread now was something I chose to do. FYI I am suffering because of this illness. Thanks "dad". I got a good amount of bed rest. Going to check out the new videos. P.S. I need to get my grades up. I got a fucking C in History.
Heroic_Legacy Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 6A will never beat any air move as long as it is jump cancel friendly. Correction. CS Tager could IB in between Ara ground strings and IAD j.B to punish potentially fatal mixups. Now if frame data is still relevant to CS (Probly not) IAD j.B is unpunishable on block. 6A 5D is now a true blockstring etc etc etc Free curse on block against non reversal characters. Hooray. Can't even jump out with a 6f jump.
FlyingVe Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Check the LK Q&A thread. Osuna and I basically laid out all the many, many reasons that it won't work as an anti-air.
Skye Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 6A will never beat any air move as long as it is jump cancel friendly. Correction. CS Tager could IB in between Ara ground strings and IAD j.B to punish potentially fatal mixups. Now if frame data is still relevant to CS (Probly not) IAD j.B is unpunishable on block. 6A 5D is now a true blockstring etc etc etc Free curse on block against non reversal characters. Hooray. Can't even jump out with a 6f jump. 6a >5d is not a true blockstring, and Tager never needed to IB it to punish it, no character with a reversal never needed to IB it, it just made it easier. He can 360a or a sledge the 5d before the hitbox comes out. The only change to 6a was it's start up, maybe it's a few frames slower, nothing has been revealed concerning the final changes to 6a according to the jp wiki. 6a is still even on block. 5d is still 17f start up. IBing it still puts Arakune at a disadvantage and it can still be hit through.
Nini Heart Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 Actually, 6A is really bad on block, -19. Gonna have a field day against day 1 cs2 Tager mannnnnnnnn. Shit's gonna be funny. I.B. nerf just made Tager so much freer.
Skye Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Actually, 6A is really bad on block, -19. We're talking about Arakune's 6a.
CrazyI-nomitsu Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 We're talking about Arakune's 6a. LOL! Does it make Arakune free?
Skye Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 I was correcting him, Arakune's 6a is pretty dame safe, even on block and jump cancellable on contact.
FlyingVe Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Yep, I just misunderstood. The 5D (Kune) cancel after 6A is safe too. You can interrupt it, but that's just a guess on Tager's part, and one where the odds aren't in your favor.
Skye Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 It's slightly safe, most Arakunes would autopilot it anyway, it's a 2f reversal window, that's most DPs, A Sledge and 720.
FlyingVe Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Well, I mean, you can JC the 5D too, right? Against Tager that's pretty safe, especially with that gdlk jB.
A.X.I.S. Posted February 8, 2011 Author Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Actually when Ara jump cancels 5D we have an answer to it, hell when he does 5D you can punish it. Punish 5D? 360A or Sledge. Both will work but here's the thing. You gotta buffer them out right before 5D hits you. How to punish Ara for jump cancelling 5D? IB the 5D and now you got options lets see? 2A/2C if he tries to j.b you after it, hell a late backdash can punish autopilot 5A on landing. If he is jumping back to bait and punish then your gonna punish accordingly. This should apply in CS2, since only certain moves got changed as far as I am concerned. Am I the only one here who is totally jaded with Arakune? FYI Backdashing Ara is not all that safe so please please don't think its gonna always work, its like a gimmick. Oh and there are cases in which 2A can't punish/trade with j.B. But off 5D its usually enough if you IB it. Oh and keep in mind Ara's j.D still does not trade. Now I am gonna start updating this thread toodles. Edited February 8, 2011 by A.X.I.S.
Skye Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Am I the only one here who is totally jaded with Arakune? You're welcome.
natearistata Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 The only Tager players that aren't jaded about Arakune are the ones that've never played a good one.
A.X.I.S. Posted February 8, 2011 Author Posted February 8, 2011 This Tager vs Rachel match here is hella lulzy, I want to also say that I have not watched 70% of the matches I am collecting because its so much stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmpE8j3G1WM
natearistata Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 lol that rachel was so bad I'm scared to see a good Rachel vs a Tager tbh, I haven't seen one yet though. And god, damage off of back throw is so bad now. edit: I was hoping so hard the GF at the end of round 1 vs the Makoto would kill her. no dice =(
A.X.I.S. Posted February 8, 2011 Author Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Tager vs Rachel doesn't look horrible. Hammer projectile invul makes her zoning a little less of a problem. EDIT: LMFAO PUU<333 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo9VfbvURSw&feature=player_detailpage#t=347s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeE0JteonkY Edited February 8, 2011 by A.X.I.S.
evilben Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 its less of a problem unless the rachel forks you, or cat chars you, or any other not projectile attack... havent seen the other two vids you posted, but in the first one it only worked because she did lobelia to pumpkin, if she had done any regular move id bet hammer would have lost to it.
Brice Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 is it normal that the only VS taokaka movie is in fact a tager mirror and the tager mirror a vs tsubaki.. it confuses me also am i the only one thinking that tager never wins or if he does it's because the other player did something unsafe or got gimmick'd
A.X.I.S. Posted February 12, 2011 Author Posted February 12, 2011 AAAAH I thought I fixed that. hold on let me edit that. Oh a interesting observation: 5A>5B>3C>5B>22D works. Must be the vertical hitbox increase on gadget finger. 5B adds damage. I hope this eliminates the tiny issue I had with connecting gadget at max 3C range on some characters.
A.X.I.S. Posted February 20, 2011 Author Posted February 20, 2011 Litchi, Valk, and Ragna has an update. The Ragna match is lulz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bBseXIsbqY&feature=player_detailpage#t=461s
Manta Posted February 21, 2011 Posted February 21, 2011 Playing Tager as if you're against the AI. Winning anyway. Yomi comes full circle.
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