MyLifeIsAnRPG Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 Hey guys, So I have been learning how to use a stick on a pair of Hori Fighting Stick 3s I got for Christmas. I kind of like them, but everyone says that its not worth it to play on stick unless you have a good quality one. My question is, what makes a stick good quality. I know that Sanwa buttons are more responsive, but modding my hori's with Sanwa buttons is really easy to do. It's just pop the old ones out and pop the new ones in. Aside from that, what advantages does a TE stick or other pro stick have over my cheap one? Cause I can get replacement buttons for eight bucks, and that seems WAY cheaper than the hundred I would drop on a TE. Can someone explain this to me?
lime93 Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 I don't think there is a big difference in sticks besides the weight, but some do already have Sanwa Buttons in them such as Madcatz TE edition stick. Most people I know just complain about the weight because the Madcatz SE stick is extremely light compared to the TE stick, it can slide across your lap sometimes if your really aggressive with it. If you don't care too much about that it's a lot easier and cheaper to just mod your smaller stick with the parts you want if your just worried about the buttons. Also I really don't think there is a certain thing called a "pro" stick it's all personal preference.
darkblade77 Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 Weight, tactile response(resistance and/or sensitivity), and durability. Sticks made without brand parts (Sanwa/Seimitsu) tend to be lacking in the latter two categories where it counts. Thankfully those aren't terribly hard to swap out, although for some Hori sticks you have to do some soldering first. Everyone's mileage may vary when it comes to how their stick 'feels' though, especially if they grew up(so to speak) on a given setup. And some people like specific weights because of how they use their stick, like lime93 said. The best way to figure out what works for you is just to test as many options out as possible.
bbq sauce Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 Keep in mind that buying an SE, then buying a JLF, and 6-8 obsf to swap out with it ends being close to the cost of a TE, or maybe more, depending on where you price the TE and SE and the price you pay for the sanwa parts. So unless you prefer the lighter weight, it's kind of pointless. If you have good buttons already on hand, then, by all means go for it, but, as your first stick you might as well opt for a TE or one of the newer HRAP SAs.
MacArthur Blunts Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 My stick has all sanwa parts in it, but it looks like a piece of crap.. examples: wood blocks falling out at times, broken plastic on buttons, no back, joystick has SO much play you can shake the whole thing up and down and you will superjump. I can still do crazy Slayer stuff on it though and it feels like a breeze! Moral of the story: As long as you're used to what you play with, it doesn't matter.
FunkyP Posted February 9, 2011 Posted February 9, 2011 Well high end sticks tend to work, unlike the cheaper ones. I'd say thats a pretty big advantage.
TheGreatReptar Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Cheaper sticks tend to have pretty terrible parts, like Hori or Madcatz stock parts. Stock parts generally won't last nearly as long as Sanwas, which can last for years with regular use. They aren't always the easiest things to mod either. Even my HRAP EX has the joystick soldered into place and the ribbon cable is split, so replacing it with a sanwa one is fairly out of the question for me. The Hori Fighting Stick 3 is a pain in the ass to mod too. Buttons are soldered in place, so you have to desolder them in addition to getting quick disconnects attached to the wires. Apparently replacing the joystick with a JLF is also a pain in the ass due to the size of the case. Stuff on modding the Fighting Stick 3: http://shoryuken.com/f177/modding-hori-fighting-stick-3-a-136372/#post4174880
mr.mortified Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Hey guys, My question is, what makes a stick good quality. I know that Sanwa buttons are more responsive, but modding my hori's with Sanwa buttons is really easy to do. It's just pop the old ones out and pop the new ones in. OHOHOHOHOHO How naive this poor soul is. You're gonna have a totally fun time popping out those buttons via soldering them off of the circuit board, dremeling off the button tabs in the holes and putting sanwa buttons in and soldering wires to the buttons and circuit boards. You'll also have a fun time inserting a JLF inside that FS3 :3 Take it from me one of the proud but few modders on dustloop, these sticks are a bitch to mod. If you get lucky in a sale, pick up a madcatz SE and buy your sanwa replacements. You'll probably save on the money for the tools you need for this mod if you already don't have the tools of the trade to do so. on a plus side, an FS3 is one of my most favourite sticks as it's got a non ass sucking layout like vewlix called astro city 1P Edited February 10, 2011 by mr.mortified
RaveSage Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 OHOHOHOHOHO How naive this poor soul is. You're gonna have a totally fun time popping out those buttons via soldering them off of the circuit board, dremeling off the button tabs in the holes and putting sanwa buttons in and soldering wires to the buttons and circuit boards. You'll also have a fun time inserting a JLF inside that FS3 :3 I cut myself like 8 times modding mine. Folks like us gotta save others, right? I'd say just buy a TE and stick with it if you have no knowledge/interest in learning how to mod. If you do for some reason feel tempted to mod a stick, I'd say it's better if you build your own (get dual mods/PS360 pcb). Other than that, the modding process is not as simple as one would think even for buttons on cheap sticks. Like others have said, sanwa/semitsu parts are far more responsive than the cheap-o parts. If you're doing decent on a FS3 a high quality stick will make things easier on your wrists, fingers, and your play in general.
mr.mortified Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 I cut myself like 8 times modding mine. Folks like us gotta save others, right? I'd say just buy a TE and stick with it if you have no knowledge/interest in learning how to mod. If you do for some reason feel tempted to mod a stick, I'd say it's better if you build your own (get dual mods/PS360 pcb). Other than that, the modding process is not as simple as one would think even for buttons on cheap sticks. Like others have said, sanwa/semitsu parts are far more responsive than the cheap-o parts. If you're doing decent on a FS3 a high quality stick will make things easier on your wrists, fingers, and your play in general. I'd still mod it anyways just because Vewlix layouts can suck a dick. Also building your own is costly too, more costly than doing a TE especially when it goes on sale (which it is right now 20% off because some chick says so)
Crosell Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 I think the TE is the way to go. Even as a beginning modder stick too. Dual modding it was a breeze.
Soniti Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 The only easily moddable "cheap" stick is the mad catz SE, because sanwa parts are plug and play. Most sub-$80-90 sticks require hardware modification before sanwa joysticks (and often even buttons) fit. That said, for the price of an SE + sanwa parts you have to consider just getting a TE/HRAP instead.
RaveSage Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 I'd still mod it anyways just because Vewlix layouts can suck a dick. Also building your own is costly too, more costly than doing a TE especially when it goes on sale (which it is right now 20% off because some chick says so) Not when you go and find some poverty cases!
mr.mortified Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Not when you go and find some poverty cases! only when QCF is selling cases will you be able to get cases at 25-35 a case that doesn't look like a shoebox or something put together by a nail gun
RaveSage Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 only when QCF is selling cases will you be able to get cases at 25-35 a case that doesn't look like a shoebox or something put together by a nail gun Lies
CakeWasBannedd Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Lies i love sticks like this so much <3
Tachyons Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 IMO a FS3 is perfectly fine for learning how to use a joystick. It's an okay stick to start out with. It gets the job done for learning movement and motions on the stick and techniques for pressing the buttons. But then when you can touch a friend's full Sanwa stick, you'll start to cry and buy one for yourself :P Modding a FS3 is far from impossible, but expect a war!
Chun Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Pro sticks do what you tell them to do. Zong knows it really well. His sticks strike sexy poses and sing for him.
MAdBater Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 It is more important what you feel about the stick verse whatever other people tell you about the stick. That said sanwa, semitsu, or even happ are the most common parts on arcade cabinets. They are meant to be durable for extended play but which companies parts you like is up to you because they all feel different. Case is personal also because you might want a lighter stick or something thought I would think if it is too light it would be annoying. Pcb and dual modding ehh... Custom case then it up to you. Hori pcbs for the most part are not common ground. Madcatz I think are all common ground. Reliability of pcb that what amazon.com reviews are for.
mr.mortified Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 The V3's, VX's and VLX's are common if i remember right. Custom cases are for ballers only :3 also tupperware sticks are GDLK too if you make it right
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