Skeletal Minion Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hBhdbohjjY Just going to leave this here. P.S. This wasn't optimal by the way... That's cute, but I already knew about it. Did they mention how that's character specific since different chars slide slightly different distances? Did they mention how it is NON-counterhit specific, as in it will not work on CH against most chars since CH Taubaki makes them slide slightly farther? Did they mention how you have to be literally right next to them for it to work, otherwise they slide too far? Did they mention you can also do Tsubaki > hop > Gurren > etc or Tsubaki > Kishuu > Kishuu > Enma > etc? Did they mention how inefficient it is meter wise unless you are already close to the corner (i.e., not midscreen)? I realize you're trying to call me out, but I assure you, I'm more than familiar with Hakumen's options. I was referring to practical combos, not unstable style-mode stuff. Try again.
Jackie Chandler Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 @Used game discussion: This is why I'm grateful we have three console competitors in the gaming industry. If we only had one, or maybe even two, console developers could implement something like the block of used games without worry. Mellis is totally right- nobody in the gaming industry wants to be the first to implement something like that, because if they do and their competitors don't, they'll be digging their own grave. There's really no right way to go about it. From an extreme standpoint, it's either tell gaming developers that they're going to have to suffer even more in the new generation of consoles with even pricier development costs, or tell consumers that the games they buy have no value outside their own consoles and accounts. Obviously, neither are acceptable for a thriving gaming industry, so a fair middle ground needs to be found. I disagree with things like online passes and the like, but I personally think those will be the way of the future. Only instead of giving you access to the game's online features, the new purchasable vouchers will instead give you access to the game in its entirety after you buy the disk/cart/whatever. That way, developers can continue making money on used game sales, the used game market (i.e. Gamestop) will have to lower their prices to compensate for the fact (so if a game costs $60 new but requires a $15 voucher to play, they might sell the game for $40 used), and gamers won't end up with useless frisbees every time they get through with a game.
Volpe-de-Glacio Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) I'm just ready to see what kinda games we'll get now that they're finally giving devs a more optimal console to work with. Also, making capture cards obsolete? Fuck yeah. Edited February 21, 2013 by Volpe-de-Glacio
Jackie Chandler Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I'm just ready to see what kinda games we'll get now that they're finally giving devs a more optimal console to work with. I'm actually not too excited about the implications behind it. Better hardware means higher standards, and higher standards means more costly development from a game design perspective. I just don't want the emphasis to shift from making fun games, to making games that look perfect from a presentation standpoint. See: Heavy Rain, Final Fantasy XIII, etc. Also, making capture cards obsolete? Fuck yeah. Now THIS I have an interesting opinion about. I think it's great that people who couldn't afford capture cards before will finally be able to share their gameplay and skills, and have the opportunity to make themselves known. There are a lot of truly great players who people don't know about simply because those players can't afford high-end capture cards, after all. However, depending on how this is handled, it could result in a severe oversaturation of game content on sites like Youtube. If that's the case, it wouldn't be so much of an opportunity for everyone to make themselves stand out- it would just make the more quality videos and players stand out even more. It'll make it harder than ever to secure a following for those who aren't the best of the best. Not that it isn't that way now- I'm just saying, I can't see that situation get much better after the implementation of the equivalent of an in-console capture card. That said, I'll be looking forward to seeing you guys's matches and stuff once this feature DOES launch. :3
Milln Posted February 21, 2013 Author Posted February 21, 2013 The built-in streaming isn't... Going to be a boon in my opinion. Netplay is already pretty kuso, imagine now that 60% of those players are streaming in addition to normal family use of Internet dragging them down. Over saturation is also going to be a problem, just like Jackie said. It's already difficult to find particular videos since YouTube removed tags, it'll be even worse with more social consoles allowing constant new content of varying relevance. It'll be good for the people that will finally be able to put good content, but it's going to cause a huge huge influx of garbage by allowing everyone. Think of how trash non-subscribe only twitch chat is. And how wonderful subscribe only chat us. It's similar to how that had come to pass. Mostly good content with some blah, and when these new consoles come out its going to flip completely, I predict. And even then it only affects games playable in new consoles.
Anne Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 The streaming client is UStream, it's dead on arrival. I'm interested in streaming to my friends and stuff directly through our own PS4s. I'd be more into basically Halo 3's file share just across all games and just amongst my friends, that'd be pretty rad. I think people are getting too excited/misinterpreting this particular feature and a whole bunch of other ones. The impression going around is it's more social networky and involved in a manner that can be way more small scale. I don't think we're gonna see the landscape of stream world or online change overnight on a large scale, just sharing stuff with friends can be easier. FIGHTING GAMES.
LastStarSaviour Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 @Skeletal- So it is comboable? Also, I wasn't really trying to call anyone out, just did that for fun. No, if you want me to call you out, I can. Sheesh.
tret_tree Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) PC MASTER RACE! I hate having to upgrade to better consoles. The only pertinent thing the new one can do that the previous one couldn't do is play games with better graphics, when the graphics are the biggest reason development costs (the source of so many other problems with the industry) are so high. All these bells and whistles with the social integration and the dualshock touchpad and the remote play don't necessarily make the games better or more fun, either. I'll prolly end up grumbling and gouging my wallet for one anyway, simply because PCs don't get fighting games for some reason. Edited February 21, 2013 by tret_tree
Volpe-de-Glacio Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 @ it actually being streaming, that's disappointing. @tret, there would be no point in making a new console if they only focused on graphics and peripherals. . . I say it's optimized for devs because they've been asking for consoles with 8gigs of memory for awhile for ease of development. We're probably going to see an increase in the size of worlds, the persistent environmental artifacts we can affect, and so on and so forth.
Urichinan Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I finished my Julia/Vega video, with super duper ugly video quality because my computer sucks!
Klein Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 http://etokki.com/Playstation2 Forgot to post this earlier, get the converter from here Bane.
Anne Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Yo, Spelunky has a deathmatch arena mode now. This could be very fun.
Milln Posted February 22, 2013 Author Posted February 22, 2013 Yo, Spelunky has a deathmatch arena mode now. This could be very fun. We already have that. It's called normal mode. *cries*
Skeletal Minion Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 @Skeletal- So it is comboable? Also, I wasn't really trying to call anyone out, just did that for fun. No, if you want me to call you out, I can. Sheesh. Okay, now I'm going to be a jerk because I'm tired of seeing stupid passive-aggressive shit like this. It's about as "comboable" as Enma > falling j.C > 5C > 5C > whatever. Does it work? Yes. Is it practical? No, because the timing/possibility if performing the combo makes it far too unreliable. Next time I'm explaining something I'll be sure to include a disclaimer stating "NOTE: SAID STATEMENTS DO NOT APPLY TO RARE UNSTABLE SITUATIONAL SCENARIOS THAT WORK ONLY A FRACTION OF THE TIME AND ARE NOT WORTH DOING TO BEGIN WITH." And you posting a weak attempt to correct my quoted post despite me obviously knowing more about Hakumen than you, mentioning that "it's not even optimal", and sarcastically replying with "So it is comboable?" was "just for fun?" K. I still think you're a pretty cool dude Star, but I really wonder why I should bother taking the time to make in-depth strategic posts explaining things such as Hakumen's mixup or game mechanics when people are so ready to disrespect it. But the last few pages of this topic has me wondering why I should attempt to share any knowledge regarding FGs at all when instead of people using it to their advantage to level up as a player, they get rubbed the wrong way because whatever game they like is a casualty of the conversation. That's ridiculous to me--if someone wanted to point out a poorly designed aspect of BB, GG, or any other FG I play, I would engage them in conversation to see how I can put that knowledge to my advantage in matches since that's where it matters, not get butthurt because someone told me "that game you like sucks" (and God knows, we're ALL experienced enough in fighters to realize that other people saying that about anyone's games they like is an inevitability of the genre). It's like high end discussion of FGs is taboo if people's feelings get stepped on. It's so ridiculous in fact, that I really am done with this mess now. If some people want to stay blissfully ignorant, have at it. I'm sorry for trying to engage in an adult debate where the things everyone likes are not automatically amazing and praiseworthy. I thought that type of coddling ended back in middle school.
Astaroth136 Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Yo, Spelunky is awesome. Chandler is secretly a god at it, but he never talks about it.
Mucky Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Regarding Hakumen's mixup being strong or even good: no. His mixup is 2nd worst in the game behind Tager. whoa whoa WHOA Tager's mixup, bad? I'll agree that his neutral, mobility, and defense options are among the worst in the game. But his mixup? What makes you say that?
mAc Chaos Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) It's so ridiculous in fact, that I really am done with this mess now. If some people want to stay blissfully ignorant, have at it. I'm sorry for trying to engage in an adult debate where the things everyone likes are not automatically amazing and praiseworthy. I thought that type of coddling ended back in middle school. Nah f that, don't let anyone butthurt over a post chase you off. Just let them deal with it. People get their back up when you usually try to give them advice. I just let them figure it out on their own unless they ask. But if it's just a matter of discussing game mechanics and such there shouldn't be an issue. If there is a good point to make, it is good whether or not the other person cares to acknowledge it. You also shouldn't expect anyone to automatically agree or anything; if it can be argued it probably will be. Everyone can still benefit from the discussion. Edited February 22, 2013 by mAc Chaos
Seiki Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 In general, I think that removing emotionally driven statements, words, phrases, etc. from a discussion helps facilitate a more productive discussion. Saying things like "that's cute", "just going to leave this here", "knowing more about [whatever] than you", "you posting a weak attempt" etc. detracts from the discussion (which all of us are guilty of, not just Star and Skeletal Minion). Condescension and asshole remarks only makes it harder for people to willfully listen to you. Regardless if another person is using emotionally driven language, we should all attempt to at least on our side of the conversation express our thoughts in a more objective manner that focuses on the content of the person's argument and not so much on his or her diction. So when Star posted his video he should have just posted the video without any smartass remarks. When Skeletal Minion responded to said video he shouldn't have provoked Star with saying that Star was trying to "call" him out and should have simply clarified he implied that there weren't any practical Tsubaki combos without saying "Try again" It's unnecessary and only makes people agitated. On another subject, I wish you guys who post walls of text would condense your stuff a little more. As Winston Churchill said, "a good speech should be like a woman's skirt: long enough to cover the subject and short enough to create interest"
Mr.Minionman Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 ^that quote is great Also I was a bit reluctant to post this, and perhaps justly so, but I can see a large number of logical fallacies in the past month's arguments: http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ Shoutouts: Sorry I've been lazy responding/writing them, so I'll just throw a blanket on it >_>. It was great hanging with you guys again, still suck but I'm not the slightest bit concerned. :P I feel like a gain alot when I come to these. @Cookeville GTFO @Volpe I'm feeling much more confident with that matchup, though I really need to start teching that dp lol. gg's @Milln Many things could be said, but I don't think it's necessary :P In hindsight, I'm glad you made us eat burritos for breakfast 10/10 would eat again @Klein I could just copy/paste your shoutout in response and it'd be right :P. gg's in gg man, I aspire to not be bodied by your Slayer one day. @AnneIFrank ...I'm sorry for 2C and brutal impact D: I'll try to run a more respectable defense next time we meet, Aigis' shit is soooo scary @Others I need to play more casuals with you guys >_> I'm always too paranoid to ask; or busy; or kof as the case was last saturday. I ended up playing mostly only familiar faces in the tournament lol. Also conversations at Chedders/Ihop/etc are the best. @Final Round: I'll probably go, the price tag always gives me a heart attack, so I'll just get a spectator badge I suppose. Cookeville powers represent'! That's about all that's on my mind atm. Also planning on getting PSALBR. Does that make me a bad person?
LastStarSaviour Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 And you posting a weak attempt to correct my quoted post despite me obviously knowing more about Hakumen than you, mentioning that "it's not even optimal", and sarcastically replying with "So it is comboable?" was "just for fun?. 1) You're trying to hard dude. I realised that a while ago and am trying to be more chill about shit when I post, at least, i'm trying anyways. 2) Actually yes, when I made those statements, that's exactly what I was aiming for. I've seen a lot of us in the forum makes comments like "So that doesn't work eh" or that does combo eh" and then post a funny vid about it and whatnot. It was some light-hearted stuff that's supposed to be taken as...well...light-hearted stuff. 3) Regardless of whether the combo is situational or not, it's still possible. Gear has hard situational combos but I still see high-level players doing them. To say a combo isn't valid because it's too hard or too situational bewilders me. If you can see the situation and the hit-confirm, and the combo is within your ability as a player to do, then it isn't situational, now is it? 4) Also, you knowing more about Haku-Men than me is debatable. I've mained CT Haku-Men and subbed CS1 Haku-Men and have followed his changes pretty well all the way to Extend. On top of that, i've gotten to fight some really strong Haku-Mens that i've been able to test a lot of tech against, so yeah. 5) If you're trying to induce a simple conversation, why are you blowing up in the first place. Even though everything i've read from you so far has been everything but that, i've refrained from engaging in any of these conversations because my new motto is "I won't argue with you." However, a lot of what you said has been really disrespectful and i'm not the only one who viewed it that way. So i'm just asking this as kindly as possible, calm down dude (If this is what i've been doing to people for the longest time now? Damn, never really saw it as that bad but now...). 6) I too think that you're a cool person and I respect you as I do everyone here even when our opinions don't agree (which they don't from any of your posts drastically). @Naimat - Working on it
Jackie Chandler Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Yo, Spelunky is awesome. Chandler is secretly a god at it, but he never talks about it. Real talk, I love Spelunky. I really wish it had an online mode, because I'd probably play it all the time, even if it was shitty and laggy. And on an unrelated note, it sometimes scares me how much you secretly know about me, haha. :P
Anne Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 I've seen Chandler's Youtube, I know all about his Spelunky escapades.
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