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[Volpe-de-Glacio]

How are y'all feeling about CP right now? Anybody been keeping up with Japan's progress?

[Anne]

I have to a small extent. I'm pretty interested because it is still fast and seems like fun, but the gaps in the top tier are getting slightly wider from what I've seen >.<

Honestly, I'm super interested in fiddling with SG, but I'm put off by forever long combos that kill you. So many games have that now though that I might just suck it up and play. The style and neutral are too much for me.

I was enjoying SFxT until SF4 style unblocks and 50/50s came around. With roll it's not as bad, but in the corner Lili has a set up that denies roll and is unblockable. The only way out is to alpha counter the first hit of the set up. There are set ups off long catching TCs too (Yoshi's windmill, Hugos EX Lariat, Laws kicks) that are tough to counter, but are harder to do and might be able to be escaped by like EX reversals and junk. It's not a huge deal yet, but it opens the door to possibilities I don't wanna explore.

Edited February 25, 2013 by AnneIFrank

[Bane]

CP looks amazing in my opinion. I'm looking forward to nearly everything about it. The speed, new moves, new characters, overdrive, balance changes...

Although, there are some things that could be changed for the better, and I see a lot more of certain characters than others (I rarely see Bang or Taokaka, but a lot of Jin, Hazama, and Hakumen seem to have shown up).

Edited February 25, 2013 by Bane

[Astaroth136]

How are y'all feeling about CP right now? Anybody been keeping up with Japan's progress?

Tager makes my balls give it a thumb up.

[Alphakami]

I'm not playing CP. Valk got nerfed too heavy, so I quit.

[Seiki]

I'm not playing CP. Valk got nerfed too heavy, so I quit.

Star get off Tad's account.

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

CP looks amazing in my opinion. I'm looking forward to nearly everything about it. The speed, new moves, new characters, overdrive, balance changes...

Although, there are some things that could be changed for the better, and I see a lot more of certain characters than others (I rarely see Bang or Taokaka, but a lot of Jin, Hazama, and Hakumen seem to have shown up).

Tao's everywhere, man. Japan says she's S+, and I've seen a few 3v3s that were mostly Tao. I'd say something about how I want to play her, but I've been so flaky on who I want to play in CP that they'd be empty words. Either way, I'm not maining a character without a great set of tools anymore. I'm done facing this disparity in anime games. All these debates about balance and match-ups has made me realize that most fighters are fraudulent as fuck, and should be played as such. One way or another, I'm gonna be pressing the fuck outta some tier-ass buttons. Playing a character who struggles making you better is nonsense imo, unless they struggle in neutral or something like Akihiko.

Back to CP, I'm not really liking overdrive. It's like touch of death for some characters, and if you have low enough health it doesn't even matter if you're blocking, and you can't burst at all. (Platinum bombs, wtf. . .) It makes bursting kinda pointless because it would be better spent going into overdrive yourself and crushing your opponent mercilessly. Though I probably wouldn't mind it as much if you couldn't actually combo -into- it.

Tager makes my balls give it a thumb up.

I'm not ready for this at all. . .

I'm not playing CP. Valk got nerfed too heavy, so I quit.

Does based-goddess Noel not interest you at all?

Either way, play muscle man, we can have manly mirrors and spit in the face of proration. Matter of fact, we should all play Azrael. Azrael/Bullet/Izayoi side tournies, anyone? Then again, those characters probably won't be all that C tier in American hands. . .

Edited February 26, 2013 by Volpe-de-Glacio

[Bane]

Tao's everywhere, man. Japan says she's S+, and I've seen a few 3v3s that were mostly Tao. I'd say something about how I want to play her, but I've been so flaky on who I want to play in CP that they'd be empty words. Either way, I'm not maining a character without a great set of tools anymore. I'm done facing this disparity in anime games. All these debates about balance and match-ups has made me realize that most fighters are fraudulent as fuck, and should be played as such. One way or another, I'm gonna be pressing the fuck outta some tier-ass buttons. Playing a character who struggles making you better is nonsense imo, unless they struggle in neutral or something like Akihiko.

Back to CP, I'm not really liking overdrive. It's like touch of death for some characters, and if you have low enough health it doesn't even matter if you're blocking, and you can't burst at all. (Platinum bombs, wtf. . .) It makes bursting kinda pointless because it would be better spent going into overdrive yourself and crushing your opponent mercilessly. Though I probably wouldn't mind it as much if you couldn't actually combo -into- it.

I suppose I'm a bit biased as to who I see in videos, because most of what I watch ends up being Platinum vs. X. I really don't like the sound of near touch of death combos, either. I hope they fix some of the balance issues on the overdrives. However, if they happen to keep Plat's overdrive how it is now, I will gladly slip on my miracle jeans, pull out my cat bombs, and mash 214D until the world ends.

As far as tiers go, I'd just play who you're comfortable with. High tier or not, you will likely get better results from playing a character who suits your style of play and one you enjoy playing, or at least that's how it's been in my experience.

Totally unrelated: Tao was honestly the first character I picked up in BB. She still seems really fun to play. Probably going to sub her.

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

Oh no, I'm not tier whoring solely for the sake of tier whoring. I'm just saying when I'm interested in a variety of characters and I like how they play(pretty much every game. . .), from now on I'm choosing between them based on which one has the best set of tools.

Like right now I'm looking at Relius, Bullet, Makoto, Tao, and Mu 12. I'll probably main Mu 12 or Tao and fool around with the other characters for lolz. I refuse to rejoin the anime struggle. From now on, I'm going to have options. My options are going to have options. My options are going to get with a cute, feisty option and make little baby options.

Except in Gear. Johnny's too cool to drop.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Volpe-de-Glacio

[Bane]

Ah, I can respect that. Options are always nice to have in bulk. More power to you. I honestly like a lot of characters in this game, as well. Tao, Rachel, Makoto, and Platinum all look really interesting and fun to play. The character loyalist in me will probably end up sticking with Plat, though, especially since there isn't a single change, from her voicing to her new move properties, that I'm not ecstatic about.

I'm curious now, do you happen to know where Plat falls on the tier list?

[Mr.Minionman]

I've been watching quite a few CP vids, and for somebody who wasn't all too impressed with how CS looked, I'm rather pleasantly surprised with how good it looks so far. Many of the system mechanics I disliked in the previous rendition have been renovated, and characters seem much more unique than they had been.

Concerning overdrive: As a system mechanic, I think it's an excellent idea. Having to choose between big deeps or a get-of-out-jail-free card adds a new level of depth to the game. As it is now, it's easy to see some characters got blessed+ with it while others got the short end, but that's to be expected when they try new things, and I think it'd be folly to expect it to sit where it is now in terms of balance. Regardless of tiers, every character seems to have a fair chance of winning in most of their matchups, so I don't think the differences in overdrive are all there is to it. About the only character I haven't seen any of is Makoto.

EDIT: Btw, have a strong interest in playing Bullet, but I'm considering Bang, Tsubaki, Izayoi, Carl, and Jin about equally a tier below her.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Mr.Minionman

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

S+: Tao, Litchi, Hakumen

S: Hazama, Jin, Valkenhayn, Mu

A: Arakune, Carl, Rachel, Azrael

B: Ragna, Relius, Tager, Platinum, Nu, Bang, Tsubaki

C: Izayoi, Bullet, Amane, Makoto

I seem to recall Azrael being lower in the one I'm talking about, but apparently this is Jiyuna's.

Regardless, I've been meaning to play Tao since I first picked up Blazblue. Now that I have no desire whatsoever to go back to Hakumen, I should actually be able to stick with it this time.

@Minionman - I didn't even think about it still being in the arcade version. Hopefully we'll see a few tweaks to OD before it hits consoles. I like the idea in concept, but like you said, it works a bit too well for characters like Hazama, Hakumen, Platinum, etc.

NOEL ISN'T EVEN ON THE FUCKING TIER LIST SHE SUCKS SO BAD.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Alphakami
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[Bane]

Oh wow, only B? I'm surprised, tbh. Every match I see her in seems terribly even. I now have more faith in this game's balance.

[Alphakami]

Star get off Tad's account.

Troll call, I'm present and busted.

Does based-goddess Noel not interest you at all?

See above.

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

Troll call, I'm present and busted.

I thought so, but y'know text and all. And I still want to know what you think of Noel.

On another note, I saw something beautiful today. Tao can crawl under Valk's wolf dash. I'm going to troll the fuck out of you the way that ninja edit trolled me.

Oh wow, only B? I'm surprised, tbh. Every match I see her in seems terribly even. I now have more faith in this game's balance.

That tier list is starting to look fishy as fuck to me. I remember Azrael being lower because of his mediocre mix-up and I'm pretty sure Platinum was A at the very least. Also I don't see how they can forget Noel that easily when she's looking S tier as hell right now.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Volpe-de-Glacio

[Bane]

That tier list is starting to look fishy as fuck to me. I remember Azrael being lower because of his mediocre mix-up and I'm pretty sure Platinum was A at the very least. Also I don't see how they can forget Noel that easily when she's looking S tier as hell right now.

Oh wow, she's legitimately not even on that list. I smell fraudulence.

[LastStarSaviour]

@Volpe- I feel Noel won't be S or even high A in this game. While they did give her tools that she should've had in the first place, her crush trigger is too pathetic. Once again, she lacks in a department that defined a large portion of the game's meta (guard crushing). I feel that CP is going to have a very strong emphasis on this sole mechanic. Especially since characters who once had really bad mix-ups now have this extremely powerful tool at their disposal. Even though i'm still pondering what downsides there are to being in danger state now (besides getting opened up and taking more damage). Seems like those with stronger mix-ups are just going...to...blow...characters up... just like...Extend...

Now I understand why Litchi is considering one of the strongest in this game (if this jiyuna tier list is something we can legitimately go by). I wonder why Valk and Bang aren't higher up there. A lot of strong players have made Valk look amazing and Bang is well...Bang

As for my initial hype for the game. It definitely looks fun...until I see the tiers play, then it just becomes meh. Hope they change things around a bit. Still hyping Izayoi and i'm probably going to co-main Ragna. Maybe mess around with Amane just to troll people who block his shit.

I thought Azrael was up there because his mix-ups that no one bothers to do was so strong. I personally think he's trash since he's struggling so badly at neutral (i've seen rush-down character like Bullet and Noel zone him. Hell, i've even seen a Tager player zone this dude out. I didn't even know that was possible, lol) If he could at least kill in two touches maybe i'd consider him a character but...

Edit: I like how I mention Valk and I go to my Youtube and there's an hour-long set of Hima's Valk sitting on my What to watch list waiting for me, lawl.

Edited February 26, 2013 by LastStarSaviour

[Urichinan]

I find it absurd for people to be taking any tier-list seriously in CP. While we can get a small look at what might have some correct placements, this game is still too new for anyone to be making tiers. This time back in CT people thought Nu and Carl were bad, that Tager was top-tier, in CS1 Litchi was considered to be bad, everyone thought CS2 Hazama was going to be terrible, early in Extend Litchi was B-Tier, Relius and Tager were A-Tier, and Jin and Rachel were C-Tier.

The above examples are why I don't take any tier-list seriously until the game has been released on consoles all around the world, and after a few Japanese and American majors have finished. BB's tier-lists jump around way too much early in the game's life.

Now, if we're talking who we actually think are strong, Litchi, Hakumen, Tao, Azrael, Hazama, Valkenhayn, Mu, Jin, Carl, and Bang all look pretty good to me.

As for who we are using, I'm still going to be playing Litchi, Valkenhayn, Relius and Platinum, though I have lost almost all interest in Platinum, so I'm hoping Kokonoe will be added in the console version to fill her spot. :3 Otherwise, I might pick up Carl, Bullet, or Noel.

[LastStarSaviour]

I don't see why any of them shouldn't be taken seriously yet, honestly. Especially when the footage shown matches the list pretty well. Yeah, these lists aren't always made with the meta completely flushed out, but no tier list is set in stone and discoveries can be made to change them. Saying that it's absurd to pay attention to any of them that's been put up by japanese players is idk. I wouldn't knock it.

Also, i'd trust placements on a japanese player's scale over that of an american's anyday.

[tret_tree]

I think it's helpful to have a tentative tier list to aid discussion of relative character strength, and that it's more useful to discuss the reasons for the validity of the placements than to dismiss the thing entirely. Particularly if you acknowledge it'll never be perfect, even after it's had time to culture.

[Urichinan]

I don't see why any of them shouldn't be taken seriously yet, honestly. Especially when the footage shown matches the list pretty well. Yeah, these lists aren't always made with the meta completely flushed out, but no tier list is set in stone and discoveries can be made to change them. Saying that it's absurd to pay attention to any of them that's been put up by japanese players is idk. I wouldn't knock it.

Also, i'd trust placements on a japanese player's scale over that of an american's anyday.

Japanese footage doesn't clearly show the tier-list well either. Last month (I think) there were tournaments won by Makoto, Tsubaki, Tager and Bullet, beating out Jin, Hakumen, Carl, Tao, Litchi and other characters considered to be high-tier. It could be that the players were all equal in skill, or perhaps there are things yet to be considered in the tier-lists. And you proved my point in your own post, there WILL be things that shift the tier as the game develops, since the game is still so new, making a tier-list right now has no use, as we know for a fact that it will change, most likely more than we think it will. I'm not saying it isn't useful to see how each character develops, or discussing who is good in comparison to who, but making an actual tier-list is pointless so early. Tier-lists in themselves are very useful, and are important for the competitive scene of a game. But I strongly believe that they are to be held out on until later in the game's life, when things are more solid.

I agree with your last statement, though I do trust the opinion of many American players, as America still wins EVO, and a lot of American players have been to Japan to fight the pros over there.

[NeoGio0o]

Japanese tournaments play by Single elimination, one game so Tsubaki, Tager, Noel, etc. players mash hella hard (like always) and random the good players out.

In Japan the mash is as real as their battle for that one island between China and japan.

@LSS you a bitch nigga

[LastStarSaviour]

@LSS you a bitch nigga

Gio0o-sempai!!!

[Volpe-de-Glacio]

I should probably stop talking out of my ass, going off of hearsay is definitely something I need to be more careful with.

As for tier lists, I already brought this up when it came to match-ups. I just figured it'd spice up some discussion on the game and what characters people want to get their hands on. Also, anime games aren't that fraudulent. Just because Makoto's considered low tier doesn't mean Goro isn't going to body some niggas. Liz double perfected LK in TSB, even though people agree that the Liz player should pick a better character.

I think it's helpful to have a tentative tier list to aid discussion of relative character strength, and that it's more useful to discuss the reasons for the validity of the placements than to dismiss the thing entirely. Particularly if you acknowledge it'll never be perfect, even after it's had time to culture.

thisthisthis

Edited February 26, 2013 by Volpe-de-Glacio

[Alphakami]

I thought so, but y'know text and all. And I still want to know what you think of Noel.

On another note, I saw something beautiful today. Tao can crawl under Valk's wolf dash. I'm going to troll the fuck out of you the way that ninja edit trolled me.

I have no opinion, and that's the honest truth. I can't have one until I play the game and her. I can watch hours of videos but it's impossible to learn the only thing I need to know, which is feeling the frames as I play it. It's why I'm totally uninvolved in gameplay discussion, and tier list stuff. It's irrelevant to my life no matter how accurate or not a tier list is, because I'm just gonna give zero fucks about it, and go right on disrespecting every possible situation I can get away with and play the game. I may even win a few, who knows.

Ha ha, that's pretty sweet. See, I look forward to dragging my wolf nuts across your forehead in the flying teabag crossover.