Astaroth136 Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 My bad, should've been more specific. Just need to know the overall speed and if any characters in that game can satisfy my need for long combos. SC5 looks like it's going to be a bit faster than SC4. Watch a video of Astaroth in SC4 compared to him in SC5 and you'll notice a big difference. Hmmmmm, long combos? Yoshimitsu was the combo master in SC4 (he was my tertiary character too). Tira was a bit combo heavy, but she was too random to use competitively. Ivy had lots of different stances and decent combos. Viola in SC5 is similar to Mu in BB.
Milln Posted November 2, 2011 Author Posted November 2, 2011 SoulCal is a moderately paced game. Astaroth has looked up more footage than I have, but it he says it's faster, the it should be a pretty fast game. Health bars can very rapidly deplete, especially if you aren't paying attention and get caught constantly. Moves themselves, however, have more frames to complete than a standard 2D fighter. I'd say as far as reaction times on mixups go... It's about on par on BlazBlue, wouldn't you say, Astaroth? Long combos? Those don't really exist as far as hit count. Hit an opponent once in the air and they can feasibly "air control" out of your next hit(s). However the game is super reset heavy and has lots of linkable moves and wakeup options and org options to kick them while they're down and even to catch their tech in a tech trap. So, what could be an innocent little hit can turn into buttload of health you let your opponent take off of you.
Astaroth136 Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Yeah, 3D fighters are naturally slower than its 2D counterparts. It is somewhat on par with BB when it comes to defense. The fastest attack in SC4 was 13 frames iirc.
LastStarSaviour Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) Hm, I checked out Viola. I wasn't liking what I saw too much but I blame the commentator not doing to good of a job (hard to talk and play at the same time I guess). I saw two other characters that interest me but there wasn't much footage. I'll have to wait til it gets out fully to really see anything. Ezio is in 5, ROFL!!! Also, Volpe without further ado I give you combo vid #2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A83i8ay9U04 Looking at it now I see where I could've optimized those last two combos. Oh well, my next one will be my last combo vid for Haku-Men (It'll have at least five to ten combos in it). After that i'm moving on to Mu-12 stuff followed by Noel, Ragna and possibly Haxama. Edited November 2, 2011 by LastStarSaviour
Volpe-de-Glacio Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) Heh, already copied that first one from some japanese play, though the 5a >6a > 5a one is better. The midscreen hotaru one is sexy, but the final one using zantetsu doesn't seem like the best idea since it's extremely slow. Edited November 2, 2011 by Volpe-de-Glacio
LastStarSaviour Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) Most of these were pretty much just to show what to do if you happen to get the hit-confirm (I pretty much am doing these combos because the vids I watched I didn't know if you guys knew what to pick up with, at least that's what it looked like to me). I wouldn't be throwing anything except that Hotaru out looking for hits. The Enma after Zantetsu can be followed by 5B instead of 5A. You can also maximize the damage of each combo by addind Super Jump j.2A> j.2A> Forward Dash> j.2A. Also, I debated on whether to do 5A>6A>5A instead but honestly the damage you get off of the first combo is better, plus the chance of you dropping it is lower. I pretty much just watch the vids that are uploaded now and whatever I see you guys drop imma just make a vid for how to connect the combo. I'm sure you all know already but i'll make sure to get optimum damage off each one. Edited November 2, 2011 by LastStarSaviour
LuminAbyss Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 I think you mean j.2A instead of j.2C, right?
LastStarSaviour Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) thanks for catching that slip-up there, post has been edited Edit (lawl): This is addicting. If I had a capture card i'd be making combo videos all day everyday!!! Edited November 2, 2011 by LastStarSaviour
Volpe-de-Glacio Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 The damage on 5a 6a 5a was better last time i checked, then again that might be the fuzzy numbers on my crt.
LastStarSaviour Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Combo vid Damage: 2549 5A>6A>5A Damage:2556 Okay, combo vid damage is less by 6. But the amount of risk/reward in the combo attempts are so different i'd rather go with vid. But, if you can do it then by all means, rep that shit.
Volpe-de-Glacio Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Yeah, the execution was why I originally picked up the 5a > 5b one. Still, eventually I wanna min/max my game.
LastStarSaviour Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Yeah, the execution was why I originally picked up the 5a > 5b one. Still, eventually I wanna min/max my game. By 6!!!! LOL
Volpe-de-Glacio Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) That's what min/maxing is. Taking even the most miniscule difference, as long as it's better. If I can master it, what does it matter how annoying the execution is? That 7 damage could be the difference between a comeback and a victory, and you don't see Spark backing down from combos like AD> ja > ja > 2c just because of the precision required. Yeah, I know I'm not Spark, but why not be the best possible? Edited November 3, 2011 by Volpe-de-Glacio
Milln Posted November 3, 2011 Author Posted November 3, 2011 That's what min/maxing is. Taking even the most miniscule difference, as long as it's better. Spoken like a munchkin. Excellent.
Jackie Chandler Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Star in this thread, teaching people "How do Hakumen." I like it. :D Also, if any of you have been confused at the names of the recently uploaded videos, it's because Youtube's new uploading layout hasn't been saving my descriptions or edits to the file name. For the HD videos, I've been numbering them by... Well, numbers, to help me keep the videos in order of which they happened. And to keep the SD videos in order, I've been numbering them by letters. So, if you're like Milln and you were thinking I've been including the bracket letters, that is not the case. :P I'll go ahead and fix the ones I have uploaded now, and use the default format to upload from now on.
LastStarSaviour Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) Honestly I just thought it'd be fun to do some Haku. With all of them we have at MTN at least what i'm posting won't fall on deaf ears. And Naimat won't have a reason to rage at me, XD. I won't post the Noel and Mu stuff here seeing as that'll just get shunned @Jackie: Ah, okay. At first I thought you were trolling the names. @Volpe: Yup, munchkin fits your description perfectly *Grins* Edited November 3, 2011 by LastStarSaviour
LastStarSaviour Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 You sir, have just won Net-Play. *Dies laughing*
Jackie Chandler Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Lol, Youtube's thumbnail system is screwed up right now. For Pickle vs. Klein, it was showing thumbnails for Stephen King's "It." XD
Astaroth136 Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 You know, you guys can call me by real name if any of you want to. "Astaroth" has two more syllables than my actual name. Then again, we all call each other by our handles, so it's no big deal. I don't even know Volpe's real name... that could be his real name.
LastStarSaviour Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) Just so i'm correct your name is Lee, right? Volpe's name is Jeremiah, but I call him Volpe cuz it's easier and because it sounds italian. I don't like my name. Edited November 3, 2011 by LastStarSaviour
Jackie Chandler Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 "Lee" is a lot easier than "Astaroth," haha. I think I'll do just that. :3 And I think I know Volpe's real name (it says on his Gamertag, too) but I don't wanna say in case he doesn't want people to know or prefers Volpe or whatever. :P EDIT: Also, what's wrong with your IRL name, Star? :[
Astaroth136 Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 And I think I know Volpe's real name (it says on his Gamertag, too) but I don't wanna say in case he doesn't want people to know or prefers Volpe or whatever. :P Ecstatic Entropy? What a name!
Astaroth136 Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 What's KO's real name? I need to go stalk him and CatButt.
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