No More Guilty Gear

[JacerX]

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/16045-blazblue-sequel-for-consoles-in-development-no-more-guilty-gear/

A sad day today

"Guilty Gear got too hardcore for some people, so we wanted to reset the level of entrance,"

"BlazBlue was the answer to it. Also, the generation of Guilty Gear players has become a certain age – maybe a little bit too old for playing games. So making that reset brings in a new generation of fighting game players. Then they will be with us for the next few years."

Edited March 19, 2011 by JacerX

[Teyah]

Apparently Diesookay thinks that the reason most GGers haven't taken to BB is because we are "too old for playing games", and has nothing to do with the quality of said games.

[smooshman]

I find this doubtful...

[BeaM]

Dustloop is now an old folks' home

[Nini Heart]

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It wasn't a troll. Mori said it himself in an interview in London. But BB doesn't exist because GG fans are too old. He just says there hasn't been a new GG because they wanted to get new blood. He says the next GG will have BB players and GG fans playing it. He did say that GG fans were too old though which is why they were reluctant to do a new one without expanding their fanbase.

As usual, reporters/journalist like to blow things out of proportion/interpret it the way they like to spark controversy.

[Kyosuke Kagami]

Hopefully the shit Mori said doesn't mean "dumbed down GG"

[BlueBleep]

On March 5th they were asked random questions. One that was aimed towards Daisuke was "Will there be a new guilty gear?" and he replied "Yes"

I guess that means there will be a new guilty gear within the next 20 years or so. Who knows. I just hope BlazBlue isnt the ultimate Guilty Gear replacement...that would suck way to much.

Arcana Hearts 3 isnt bad if you dont mind playing only little girls -.-

[JacerX]

....Guys, it's great to have hope, but GG is just dead. There will never be any new gg, only blahblu2 -_-

[PhantomLight]

The reporter is bullshitting.

Not only did Mori and Ishiwatari both confirm that there would be a new GG sometime in the future, they did so in front of a large crowd at a tournament. There are also numerous "quotes" that sound very out of character and contradictory, such at the "BlazBlue doesn't have that because we wanted to make it a pure fighting game and not too easy" line from Mori regarding SF43DS's easy button mode, since BlazBlue has had a simple mode since the beginning.

TL;DR: Bitch is lying unless I see some proper proof.

[Wirya]

Why did I believe this shit even for just a second?

[PhantomLight]

iPLAYWINNER posted a better interview with the two. The quotes used in the OP post are somewhat accurate, but are taken completely out of context.

http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/3/19/eurogamer-interview-with-arc-system-works-on-the-future-of-2.html

Eurogamer: What ever happened to Guilty Gear? Why did you stop making it?

Daisuke Ishiwatari: Guilty Gear got too hardcore for some people, so we wanted to reset the level of entrance. BlazBlue was the answer to it. Also, the generation of Guilty Gear players has become a certain age – maybe a little bit too old for playing games. So making that reset brings in a new generation of fighting game players. Then they will be with us for the next few years.

Eurogamer: Will there ever be a truly accessible fighting game?

Toshimichi Mori: It is impossible to create a fighting game everyone can play. The basic rule of a fighting game is: one wins and one loses. As long as that's the basic rule of a fighting game, there will never be a perfect fighting game that everyone can enjoy.

So, the reasons for not making GG games as of late is still there, but that doesn't mean the series is dead for good.

Edited March 19, 2011 by PhantomLight

[JacerX]

iPLAYWINNER posted a better interview with the two. The quotes used in the OP post are somewhat accurate, but are taken completely out of context.

http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/3/19/eurogamer-interview-with-arc-system-works-on-the-future-of-2.html

So, the reasons for not making GG games as of late is still there, but that doesn't mean the series is dead for good.

Sigh, you're building yourself up for disappointment, just don't get mad when you never see another gg but only bb.

[BlueBleep]

Guilty gear is one of the most well know 2D fighters ever made. When it comes to many forms of entertainment (mostly gaming and movies) great things dont just die, they are milked until they stop making a profit.

[Fenrir Werwolf]

Guilty Gear, as it's creator said, it's not dead.

A new chapter will come; probably not now, probably not a 2d fighting game, but will come. As he said "Surely, first or later!"

Also consider that Daisuke wanted to close the serie/make a new chapter after Overture: the low sales (but not too low in japan, remember) probably stopped the company to make him to do so.

[Sanoshi]

I find this is a huge mistranslation.

The question asked to them was "What ever happened to Guilty Gear? Why did you stop making it?"

From how Daisuke answered, he was explaining why they instead made a new game instead of a new Guilty Gear. Him saying that the Guilty Gear players are too old, is him basically saying that the community itself was made up of the same or veteran players, and was so developed, it was hard to attract new players, even with different versions of GG released. To draw in new and more people, they made Blazblue, and it was a success for the goals they wanted.

Just because he thinks the GG community is old, doesn't mean he has no plans for anything Guilty Gear related. Although the other past interviews show that he does intend to continue GG, we have no idea as to how he will do this and when.

tldr: Mis interpreted the interview, sucky ass question was asked, nothing confirmed.

[zdravkelja]

Yup, misunderstanding. I expect 1 or 2 BB games (excluding CS2) to come out and than Guilty Gear.. I think that's realistic.

[McArthur]

for me, im more happy with no more new GG, just port the game (ggac) to ps3 and 360 and thats perfect as it is

[Spirit Juice]

Hopefully the shit Mori said doesn't mean "dumbed down GG"

Would you make a game that caters to 1% of your fanbase or a game that caters to a much broader audience?

While it's probably not the last time we'll see a GG fighter (maybe?), GGAC will be the last GG that's as complicated as AC.

When you really think about it, the average GG player is probably "old" by Japan's standards. I started playing GGXX when I was 17, when XX came out. I'm 25 now. It's likely the average person that's been playing since XX probably started around my age, especially in Japan. Those young adults that started playing XX are now grown adults, and they're likely in their mid-20s and are salary men. In Japan, if you're playing video games at that age, people will ask "What the fuck are you doing playing video games at your age? Go home and be a family/salary man." Multiple friends of mine have been to Japan and pretty much only "old" salary men play GG at arcades anymore. It's kind of sad but true.

The age of "hardcore" is gone. Making another GG game that's as "hardcore" won't sell. If another GG game is made, it'll be simplified. How much so? Who knows.

Fighting games are a fickle bunch. They want "hardcore" games but don't want games that cater to casual gamers. Okay, so lets say you get your "hardcore" FG. You say you're happy. But now what? You'll be lucky to have a big scene these days, let alone a scene at all. You'll pretty much be foreveralone.jpg. What is a FG without anyone to play it with? So you say you want a game to play with everyone? Well, it's going to have to be a game that caters to casuals. Daisuke makes a good point that, as a business, you can't please everyone. You're going to have to please the majority and not the minority.

The video game industry is a business. Businesses want to make money, and with today's economy, taking a risk with another "hardcore" GG is not a good idea. It's unfortunate, but people need to ditch the "tea party" mentality when it comes to FGs. Complaining about how new FGs don't cater to YOU doesn't help the situation at all. In this day and age of FGs, it's either play the new games or just don't play FGs at all. Otherwise, you're going to find yourself alone in playing the game you love and adore so much.

[qwerty]

Would you make a game that caters to 1% of your fanbase or a game that caters to a much broader audience?

i know this isn't explicitly what you're saying, but comments like these imply that arcsys didn't make money off of guilty gear and that there aren't many guilty gear players in japan; both of which are false.

you don't make arcade games for six years without making a profit, and that's that. there were less people playing gg even in it's heyday than there are people playing bb today, sure, but you also have to take into account that everything was different back then. the naomi was still being supported by sega, so they had a very cheap, versatile platform to work with. there weren't any nickel and diming online distribution systems, nor any $10k midrange pc's from 2007. the cost of producing an arcade game, and likewise the cost of purchasing one, was much lower on the naomi than it is on most modern arcade platforms. if it weren't for the naomi being as cheap to develop for as it was, i doubt there would have been any arcade guilty gears at all.

i can't comment on the age of guilty gear players, but there's still a lot of them over there, regardless. it's been on the arcadia top 10 for four years and counting, which i don't think you can say for any other game, even third strike.

[Spirit Juice]

i know this isn't explicitly what you're saying, but comments like these imply that arcsys didn't make money off of guilty gear and that there aren't many guilty gear players in japan; both of which are false.

you don't make arcade games for six years without making a profit, and that's that. there were less people playing gg even in it's heyday than there are people playing bb today, sure, but you also have to take into account that everything was different back then. the naomi was still being supported by sega, so they had a very cheap, versatile platform to work with. there weren't any nickel and diming online distribution systems, nor any $10k midrange pc's from 2007. the cost of producing an arcade game, and likewise the cost of purchasing one, was much lower on the naomi than it is on most modern arcade platforms. if it weren't for the naomi being as cheap to develop for as it was, i doubt there would have been any arcade guilty gears at all.

i can't comment on the age of guilty gear players, but there's still a lot of them over there, regardless. it's been on the arcadia top 10 for four years and counting, which i don't think you can say for any other game, even third strike.

I'm not sure how you think I'm implying that ASW didn't make money off of Guilty Gear, nor did I say that there are no players left. The point is that a "hardcore" market is a small market. A risky market. A market a business will have a hard time profitting on. Times have changed, and games have to change with the times.

[qwerty]

like i said, i was giving you the benefit of the doubt. other people read into statements like that and start to draw wild conclusions, which is why i thought it necessary to clear the air on that.

[Spirit Juice]

Word.

[rtl42]

Multiple friends of mine have been to Japan and pretty much only "old" salary men play GG at arcades anymore. It's kind of sad but true.

just for the record, i've never seen an "old" GG player. probably the oldest guys are the same people who've been getting into Tougeki every year or so, but even so, they're mostly in what, their late 20s? it's feasible that some of them look older than they are, though, due to chain smoking and heavy drinking lol.

actually, the only "old" GG player i can think of is like, 0. idk how old he is, but he smokes so much, he looks like he's in his late 30s.

on the other hand, when i look across to the parts of the arcades where they have 3S cabs and whatnot... THAT's where the old players play at lol. some of those guys are definitely in their late 30s, no question.

well, that's just my experience, though. i'm not really sure what the age span is over in Kansai and Kyuushuu, although based on videos/pictures, they look fairly similar to the Kantou players.

Edited March 21, 2011 by rtl42

[Spirit Juice]

The reason why old is in quotes is because they're old by Japan's standards. Hence the "What the hell are you doing playing video games at your age? Go home and be a family/salary man." line.

Late thirties isn't even really old in the grand scope of things.

[Spirit Juice]

The reason why old is in quotes is because they're old by Japan's standards. Hence the "What the hell are you doing playing video games at your age? Go home and be a family/salary man." line.

Late thirties isn't even really old in the grand scope of things.