HIGEKING42 Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 I played a little bit of her in ex and i thought Oh God i can feel the changes hardcore.
StarGazer Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 You should feel the impact of the changes because you went from the highest to the lowest Are the 700s considered high PSR now? I remember mid to late 200s were considered good before, and then hoo boy if you had 300+ I guess the 600 in EX stands for 180 in CS2 which is considered high.
OmniSScythe Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 I believe from the JP arcade stand point 200+ was consider high.
StarGazer Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 I am speaking about Arcades PSR, because on netplay you can hit the 250 with just 10 lame matches.
Reisi Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 I was bored, so I took some of the posted pictures and visualized my feelings. :V Also, shout-outs to Ragna for being the best zoner ever. 5B is ridiculous. Feels like playing against CS2 Makoto with Tager~
Eshi Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 the ragna matchup definitely has a learning curve to it because of that dumb kick. I've never liked him -_-
LunaKage Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Makoto's not the only one who constantly get's trolled by that damn move.
OmniSScythe Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 I'm was and still is trolling Ragna with Makoto's 5B even in CSEX whenever I played, level up them footises guys.
Reisi Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 The problem I'm having is, if the Ragna knows his pokes well and, more importantly, Makoto's pokes well, and he starts switching up 5B and 5C, things can turn pretty ugly. It's already pretty hard for me to hit him out of 5B due to the proper spacing, but I don't see any way of beating 5C (except whiff-punishing it, I guess) reliably, if at all.
excelence Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Been surviving that match up since Makoto do almost twice the damage Ragna does ... but don't know now on EX
The Katz Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) I'm was and still is trolling Ragna with Makoto's 5B even in CSEX whenever I played, level up them footises guys. But Omni-SSama, even though you're a graduated netplayer doesn't mean the majority would be too. Or... Omnii-san, what is footsies? Is it why you like Nee-chan so much? Or... Hey Omni, what is aaaiiirrr? Edited January 25, 2012 by The Katz
The Katz Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 The problem I'm having is, if the Ragna knows his pokes well and, more importantly, Makoto's pokes well, and he starts switching up 5B and 5C, things can turn pretty ugly. It's already pretty hard for me to hit him out of 5B due to the proper spacing, but I don't see any way of beating 5C (except whiff-punishing it, I guess) reliably, if at all. 5C isn't that fast and he brings his hitbox forward a bit before the slash connects. If you're sitting (specifically not moving) at max 5C range, don't bother trying to poke him. It's not like your normals reach that far anyway.
kotokot Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) dash barrier is the only strategy for Rawwrgna( thought it's only squirrels strategy( OR YOU CAN BET EVERYTHING ON ZERO AND TRY TO PARRY Edited January 25, 2012 by kotokot
HIGEKING42 Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 I like to troll fagna users with makoto 5b. It makes everyone mad. If you block his 5c he doesn't have much follow ups, and if you block 5c with barrier he'll be pushed away so you'd be able to react to gauntlet hades and either dp it or block. Another would be hells fang. Also 6c but i think you should be able to block 6c on reaction. I think the last follow up is 2d and that's definitely easy to block on reaction.
StarGazer Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Wooho, Updated the guide with some sexy stuffs. Check it and till me what you think guys. Also... Tell me which on of these is better
kotokot Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) i preffer second what's with her jab animation? She losing her hand like Ragna some time ago? self canceled 2A is 5F 5B damage 550 5C startup 8F(is this real :O) 6C startup 14F 2D lv3 prorates are 80/90 4BC damage is 800 j.BC 90/55 CA is 50/92 at least this is how it is written in csex guide book(there is too much errors, lol)) MAKOTO ANNOUNCER!! Edited January 25, 2012 by kotokot
StarGazer Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 The damage and proration data in the guide are legit, I took it from the JBBS. However there was nothing about frames and the data given by the guide now are bleh. self canceled 2A is 5F Its true even in CS2, but useless.
kotokot Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 The damage and proration data in the guide are legit, I took it from the JBBS. However there was nothing about frames and the data given by the guide now are bleh. Its true even in CS2, but useless. well, i don't believe to this guide too, but this better to be tested to be sure) mash 2A harder, thats lesson)but seriously i think it can be used for better meaty by chaining 2A. if anyone will find makoto announcer samples, post it)it can help me to spend some points in xbl or save it for me)
StarGazer Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 The Kuru "Awesome" shi will record the announcer once it's out mash 2A harder, thats lesson)but seriously i think it can be used for better meaty by chaining 2A. Nope, the Kara cancel window will stay the same iirc, it will just make mashing 2A to catch rolling easier.
Kurushii Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Alright, come get your acorns... http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4399/makotoframedata.png
StarGazer Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 236A from 10+ to +3 Someone confirm the 8F 5C and 14F 6C please. faster 6C is hype.
HIGEKING42 Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 +3 is ok but you can't throw that OH so BS.
LunaKage Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 +3 is ok but you can't throw that OH so BS. At least you guys still have something that's +3 Noel caps out at +1 now... again.
StarGazer Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Stargazer start up is now 20F! (was 22F) And Mars Chopper is 20F (was 18F) Stargazer Is -14 now. Lunatic upper and Mars chopper still the same. Lightning Arrow C version now have the Proration of B (still you need FC to combo of it -_-) BBS is -57 Shooting Star is now much faster 22F (was 28F iirc) Infinite rush Recovery is now 33F (was 30F) thats why you cant do the old 214ACCCCC > 5A > 6A At least you guys still have something that's +3 Noel caps out at +1 now... again. why, what happend to your 2C? also first time I pay attention to your sig, lol so true.
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