Lord Knight Posted June 14, 2011 Author Posted June 14, 2011 Ok, let me be the first! Why air instant blocking doesnt beat unblockables anymore like CT? I know It's been around since CS1, but never gave too much though about it, were people really Air IB'ing everthing that was supposed to beat them? Also, do you believe wake-up Break Burst(Gold) is better than Green Bursting in general? Gold is just too good for it because It does what supposedly green was meant to do, get you off pressure and puts you back in the game. Why isnt Hazama doing very well in qualifying for SBO? Just lack of players or the char itself isnt that reliable? Same for Rachel, she's playable again but cant see many in Is game-chariot crew overrated? Cool. I agree with sG about the air IB and gold burst. There hasn't been a lot of qualifiers, and they are only 32 spots. I'm sure they'll be a couple of Hazama's considering his strength this time. Gamechariot players are strong, people just don't realize that there are other good players out there. Gamechariot matches are plenty entertaining (which is the point). If you want to get a feel for how skilled they actually are, just watch their tournament matches. Good stuff, i had forgotten a few things so u posting links to those posts are a godsend. I honestly cant think of any good questions atm..... scratch that whats the best way to go about air teching do i just mash or what? i find myself gettin caught by alota bam ass purple throws lately when i just try and do that. i feel like this was brought up b4 but the laziness... Piano A and B or mash A+B. Make sure you know all the casts combos so you stay aware of any resets (points to potentially stop mashing and just to hold back to see if they go for the reset or finish the combo). Oh cool, thread is back up. LK, do you feel you learned something new when it comes to game-play, now that you've been to the Revelations tournament and competed in it? Or maybe like we need to give more importance to a certain facet of game-play? Also, what do you think of Japan-level gameplay? Edit: Actually, other tourney participants are free to answer the questions, not just LK. I had some of the most fun ever in BB playing Satoshi. In the end I learned in more detail on how to prepare in the short term for a large tournament. Just like my first CS1 tournament (last year's EVO), I performed poorly in singles (by my own standards). I was very prepared for some things and matchups, and definitely unprepared in others. As far as other players, they need to just raise their overall skill level.
Errol Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 He got second, only losing to the godlike Tsujikawa in a really awkward matchup. He's reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally high level JP. Also shoutouts to Zidane keeping it real. He's completely right, Satoshi outplayed the living fuck out of nearly everyone but LordKnight and Zong, as far as I could tell. Me and Huey did well against him until he understood how the new Bang functioned. There might be a couple others I'm missing. What do you guys do that the JP bang players don't?
Dacidbro Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 (edited) What do you guys do that the JP bang players don't? I don't exactly understand this question, but it seems like an implication that me and Huey wouldn't be able to compete with Japanese Bangs, rather than actually talking about what I had stated? I said he didn't know how the new Bang worked, meaning he probably didn't have much practice. If the question was genuine, me and Huey do have some certain traps and gimmicks that others don't, and I certainly use more bumpers than most, but other than that it's just that we would play differently rather than "doing something they don't". All that I had meant was that he didn't seem to have practice against CS2 bang, and he changed a lot. Edited June 14, 2011 by Dacidbro
Errol Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 I don't exactly understand this question, but it seems like an implication that me and Huey wouldn't be able to compete with Japanese Bangs, rather than actually talking about what I had stated? I said he didn't know how the new Bang worked, meaning he probably didn't have much practice. If the question was genuine, me and Huey do have some certain traps and gimmicks that others don't, and I certainly use more bumpers than most, but other than that it's just that we would play differently rather than "doing something they don't". All that I had meant was that he didn't seem to have practice against CS2 bang, and he changed a lot. I figured he had a lot of time to play CS2 so he should know it pretty well, particularly since he played Bang before. Which led me to thinking you guys used a different bag of tricks. Maybe a 'worse' bag of tricks if they get used to it? but always worth pulling out if it leads to some success? I guess I hadn't seen him much in videos between sometime after the start of CS2 and just before rev though when I think about it... combined with bang players falling off the face of the earth...
Dacidbro Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 dacid ran into makoto 5B alot :P 9/10 times it was starting my own 5B or 2B at the same time and losing for start up or a whiff punish. Still a mistake, but very frustrating. @Errol Well in Japan there are only so many Bang players. I guess it is indeed likely that he has practiced with them, and he does sub Bang, but it seemed like he was genuinely caught off guard by a majority of the blockstrings and set ups I was using at first, whereas near the end he was using specific punishes and parries when he was more accustomed to Bang's gatlings.
huey253 Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 9/10 times it was starting my own 5B or 2B at the same time and losing for start up or a whiff punish. Still a mistake, but very frustrating. @Errol Well in Japan there are only so many Bang players. I guess it is indeed likely that he has practiced with them, and he does sub Bang, but it seemed like he was genuinely caught off guard by a majority of the blockstrings and set ups I was using at first, whereas near the end he was using specific punishes and parries when he was more accustomed to Bang's gatlings. i think you were playing too straight forward/predictable. it wasn't coincidence that you kept getting hit out of startup just saiyan.... there is no good answer for your question about jp bangs though
Dacidbro Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 i think you were playing too straight forward/predictable. it wasn't coincidence that you kept getting hit out of startup just saiyan.... there is no good answer for your question about jp bangs though If I had a dollar for every time someone tried to tell me what I was doing wrong against Satoshi.. :] I will agree that I played incorrectly, I won't agree that it had to do with predictability. Like I already said, I should have burned more nails.
huey253 Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 i think you should've used more ib's, rather than saving them
Spirit Juice Posted June 14, 2011 Posted June 14, 2011 Should take the Revelations talk to the Revelations thread(s), IMO.
Eclipse Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Hey, Lord Knight. I was wondering what you thought of the tiers and potential for certain characters in CS2. I main Hazama, and he seems to be doing pretty well as a character, despite not winning any tournaments. From my perspective, it seems Makoto is dominating the BlazBlue scene right now. I know she's top tier, and can hit 5K combos with no meter if I'm not mistaken. Do you think CS2 is more balanced than it's CS1 counterpart, or does Makoto really have no equals when it comes to tier placement?
C0R Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 I'm not LK, but I don't feel that Makoto is as strong in comparison to the rest of the cast as the top tiers where in CS1.
zeth07 Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 He got second, only losing to the godlike Tsujikawa in a really awkward matchup. He's reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally high level JP. Also shoutouts to Zidane keeping it real. He's completely right, Satoshi outplayed the living fuck out of nearly everyone but LordKnight and Zong, as far as I could tell. Me and Huey did well against him until he understood how the new Bang functioned. There might be a couple others I'm missing. I don't exactly understand this question, but it seems like an implication that me and Huey wouldn't be able to compete with Japanese Bangs, rather than actually talking about what I had stated? I said he didn't know how the new Bang worked, meaning he probably didn't have much practice. If the question was genuine, me and Huey do have some certain traps and gimmicks that others don't, and I certainly use more bumpers than most, but other than that it's just that we would play differently rather than "doing something they don't". All that I had meant was that he didn't seem to have practice against CS2 bang, and he changed a lot. gtfoutta here with that non-sense. Do you seriously think he didn't know the Bang match-up? And do you seriously think you or huey do things that the Japanese players don't that's actually a useful strategy? Everyone pretty much copies what the Japanese players do, and from what I saw since I watched most of it, I didn't see either of you do anything that I haven't seen before or that was somehow your own stuff/new technology. I just think he wasn't used to how American players "played", if you know what I mean. When you're talking about you and huey using "certain traps and gimmicks that others don't" and "using bumpers more than most", if you're talking about compared to Japan, you're kidding yourself. And if you're talking about in America, you need to realize that CA isn't the only place in the world, it just so happens that you have a good scene that gets noticed. I'm definitely not questioning your skill level or whatever, I just think you're being naive about things.
Airk Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 gtfoutta here with that non-sense. <SNIP> I'm definitely not questioning your skill level or whatever, I just think you're being naive about things. Currently, his hypothesis (That Satoshi was un-used to American-style Bang) holds up better in the face of evidence than yours (That Satoshi just wasn't used to how American players "played" in some extremely nonspecific sense.). So cut him some slack, eh? Besides, he didn't say that his traps/gimmicks whatever were GOOD, necessarily - indeed, they might have worked for a little bit precisely because they WEREN'T. That would explain why there was early success but ultimately, failure. Rather than some style of "American play" that was just innately confusing.
zeth07 Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Currently, his hypothesis (That Satoshi was un-used to American-style Bang) holds up better in the face of evidence than yours (That Satoshi just wasn't used to how American players "played" in some extremely nonspecific sense.). So cut him some slack, eh? Besides, he didn't say that his traps/gimmicks whatever were GOOD, necessarily - indeed, they might have worked for a little bit precisely because they WEREN'T. That would explain why there was early success but ultimately, failure. Rather than some style of "American play" that was just innately confusing. My point was more that there isn't exactly some unique and crazy gameplan that his Bang can do differently from every other Bang in the world. CS2 Bang just doesn't allow for that kinda stuff. So any "gimmicks" that dacid or huey were doing, probably were nothing new in terms of Bang, but more in terms of just some American tendencies that he wasn't used to. But like I said, I didn't specifically see any of these different gimmicks that other Bangs apparently don't do (including Japan) since it all looked the same to me, so without him giving specific examples I'm gonna go with what I said. Satoshi not being used to "American Play" more than Dacid/Huey's apparent specific Bang "gimmicks".
Spirit Juice Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Satoshi just simply outplayed everyone at ReveLAtions and was, by far, the superior player. Let's just end the discussion at that.
huey253 Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 i used the gimmick of blocking againist satoshi... It worked pretty well.
Dacidbro Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Yeah that gimmick is out of my league for sure, but good shit inventing it Huey
McArthur Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 *i think someone needs some "Dix Fries" ? =p * i dunno if this is a gameplay related but anyway, did anyone ask satoshi about the balancing of CS2 compared to CS1? if so, what were his thoughts about it? and about the possibility of BBXGG in case someone asked XD or about if their country's GG scene also has some sort of "hate" towards the BB scene
huey253 Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 "Satoshi's tier list" Everybody Else Ragna Bang Jin Tager from what I remember.
Mumm-Ra Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I'm not LK, but I don't feel that Makoto is as strong in comparison to the rest of the cast as the top tiers where in CS1. Well Makoto doesn't have a full screen overhead so yeah.
Zidane Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 gtfoutta here with that non-sense. Do you seriously think he didn't know the Bang match-up? And do you seriously think you or huey do things that the Japanese players don't that's actually a useful strategy? Everyone pretty much copies what the Japanese players do, and from what I saw since I watched most of it, I didn't see either of you do anything that I haven't seen before or that was somehow your own stuff/new technology. I just think he wasn't used to how American players "played", if you know what I mean. When you're talking about you and huey using "certain traps and gimmicks that others don't" and "using bumpers more than most", if you're talking about compared to Japan, you're kidding yourself. And if you're talking about in America, you need to realize that CA isn't the only place in the world, it just so happens that you have a good scene that gets noticed. I'm definitely not questioning your skill level or whatever, I just think you're being naive about things. Man i'm mad I actually have to fucking defend Dacid with this post It was stupid of Dacid to say/imply Satoshi didn't know the matchup. It's in no way stupid to say that he / Huey do things that Japan don't. I've made combos for Hazama that I haven't seen any Japanese player do / any combo movie replicate. I see tons of TOP japanese Hazamas fail to hit confirm into Hotenjin and do wrong combos after Hotenjin while I hit confirm off any hit I can and don't do bitch combos. I've seen Latiff do things with Eddie no other person has ever done. I've seen Marn do things with Dudley others haven't, i've seen etc etc etc Spoiler: Japan doesn't always figure out everything.
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