TagerTime Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Didn't they say in one of the loctests that lambda was punishing charged Bsledges Anyway? here is the actual quote
Osuna Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 So anyone hype for this new Tager?Probably. People were always hype for new Tager. There's too much up in the air right now for me to have anything to look forward to personally, but changes like buffing 5B could be pretty big.
TagerTime Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 So anyone hype for this new Tager? It sucks that we will probably have to wait till TGS before we get any location test gameplay videos of Tager. Thats realy all i care about right now is seeing CSX Tager in action.
CrazyI-nomitsu Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 I think we all can agree on seeing him in action first before we make our final judgement.
A.X.I.S. Posted September 7, 2011 Author Posted September 7, 2011 Pfft I know not to be impressed. CS2 Tager was the most boring because they took things away.
FlyingVe Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 I want a new toy. Tager is getting really boring for me because he hasn't really gotten anything new to play with. Just tweaks to the properties of his moves.
Manta Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 I want a new toy. Tager is getting really boring for me because he hasn't really gotten anything new to play with. Just tweaks to the properties of his moves. I know what you mean. Personally, a 6 unblockable would make me jizz a bit.
Osuna Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 I know what you mean. Personally, a 6 unblockable would make me jizz a bit.Disgusting, you should talk to a doctor about that. Seriously though I can't think of a situation where I would ever use that. 5B getting a level buff could be a big deal. For me it would be a bigger deal than CS1 tager getting GF, I would have traded GF for it in a heartbeat. Tager's biggest/best changes are property changes, his new stuff usually just sucks.
FlyingVe Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 For the record, my point has nothing to do with how quality the character is. I'm just talking about entertainment value, Tager is getting stale, I'm ready for BB3 not so much CS2X.
Manta Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Disgusting, you should talk to a doctor about that. Seriously though I can't think of a situation where I would ever use that. 5B getting a level buff could be a big deal. For me it would be a bigger deal than CS1 tager getting GF, I would have traded GF for it in a heartbeat. Tager's biggest/best changes are property changes, his new stuff usually just sucks. Make them tech in front of you whilst you charge it, or better yet, right after gadget flinger. Wait, that'd almost be broken.
Osuna Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Make them tech in front of you whilst you charge it, or better yet, right after gadget flinger. Wait, that'd almost be broken.It's a poorly thought out idea in a couple of ways. It'd be like an unblockable slidehead oki except not as good. Only plausibly useful if the charge time was really short, which would just be silly or in weird meter intensive situations and even then not as good as unblockable slidehead except maybe against Hakumen if you had just frame timing. You'd have to make it randomly and uncharacteristically unbalanced when compared to similar tools to make it usable at all as anything other than a gimmick.
OrionXElite Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 It wouldn't even work on Hakumen if you could get to a Just Frame timing cause he has Frame 1 counters :3
Osuna Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 It wouldn't even work on Hakumen if you could get to a Just Frame timing cause he has Frame 1 counters :3Well there you go.
WolfCrimson Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Hakumen's counters can't counter unblockable moves.
A.X.I.S. Posted September 7, 2011 Author Posted September 7, 2011 For the record, my point has nothing to do with how quality the character is. I'm just talking about entertainment value, Tager is getting stale, I'm ready for BB3 not so much CS2X. But new combo rate=new combos to play with. I do want a new move. Like Tager putting a magnetic field around himself and pulling you in magnetized or not...something gimmicky but useful or maybe you know...CT damage.
WolfCrimson Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 @AXIS: Character combo rate does not affect hitstun proration and decrease. So the new combo rate just increases his damage.
Manta Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 @AXIS: Character combo rate does not affect hitstun proration and decrease. So the new combo rate just increases his damage. But they were mentioning nicer proration on the sledge moves, and those would be much more used in combos if not for their dire prorations. And that would effect the combo length. Maybe something really weird like: 2C FC > 236 into corner, 5C > 6C > 236A, 5C > 6A > 623C, 2D
WolfCrimson Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 But they were mentioning nicer proration on the sledge moves, and those would be much more used in combos if not for their dire prorations. And that would effect the combo length. Maybe something really weird like: 2C FC > 236 into corner, 5C > 6C > 236A, 5C > 6A > 623C, 2D That's true.
Tetra - K Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) Not sure if you would be able to do that, they say you need to special cancel to hit with the Bsledge. and that implies they still fly away a fair bit, and if you need to special cancel, you probably don't have time to wait for the throw to recover fully before jumping and doing j.2C. Forward throw is special cancellable or just BSledge cancellable? Cause if BSeldge startup is too long for charged version (to travel enough distance to combo) maybe F.Throw > ASledge cancel > (sj.C) > j.2C > 2B > 2C > AC > finisher could work. @manta about 2C FC combos with sledge, I already tryed in training with asledge version. I think I did something like that, midscreen : 2C (FC) > walk > asledge > 5C > 6A > 2C > AC > ... (which is crappy atm) instead of 2C (FC) > 5C > 6B > 2C > AC > ... Edited September 7, 2011 by Tetra - K
Manta Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Waiting for the throw to finish is going to be quicker than Asledge cancel, the main issue would seem to be covering the horizontal distance to get to your opponent.
Osuna Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 When did they say sledges got a proration buff?
Manta Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 When they said they were getting 4k damage out of it.
Osuna Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) When they said they were getting 4k damage out of it. Well, I heard that VC could be canceled into sledge follow up, and then they said they got 4k off VC sledge, which to me means hammer. Also they only listed it in that situation they never mentioned sledge in combos except that it's pretty much impossible to combo off bsledge on an airborn about to be grounded opponent mid combo. Edited September 7, 2011 by Osuna
TagerTime Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) Well, I heard that VC could be canceled into sledge follow up, and then they said they got 4k off VC sledge, which to me means hammer. Also they only listed it in that situation they never mentioned sledge in combos except that it's pretty much impossible to combo off bsledge on an airborn about to be grounded opponent mid combo. Actually there quite a few brand new sledgehammer combos already posted here - In the corner, 3C > A sledge > hammer > 5C > ~ works - collider in corner > B sledge > hammer > 5C ~ works - In the corner, 3C > A sledge can chain into 5B, 2B - From 3C > A sledge > hammer, 3C also works - In midscreen, an air hit with A sledge knocks the opponent away horizontally, so 5A > 3C > A sledge > 5A > spark bolt is pretty much all that you can follow up with Plus it says this on the 1st page of the location test thread even though it sounds weird: New charged sledge hammer combos, involving 5d->5c and j.c->sledge JBBS posted this corner combo but i don't know if it was tried or just speculation since i didnt ask for a translation. AC > B sledge > Hammer > 5C > A sledge > Hammer> 3C> Gadget Edited September 8, 2011 by TagerTime
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