Goldchampion200 Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 3c haz failed My soul has been stabbed Time for mindless rushdown XD (i really dislike getting astraled by relius sorry if i sound overly serious)
mAc Chaos Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Oh, I was wondering how it hit. Since you can block it. I thought somehow it got you anyway.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) A reversal doesn't have to be 1 frame to be useful. It just has to have invulnerability. Unless your Tager, in which case it doesn't matter what you do because your character sucks. SIR is a terrible "reversal" though, I must admit. I've been 720'd out of it so many times. Or just lost the game because it has like practically 0 (actually 0?) invulnerability frames so you always trade instead of countering. Probably the #1 move that's invulnerable that you should never use as a reversal is Led Ley >_> Edited January 5, 2013 by Ctrlaltwtf
Mucky Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 A reversal doesn't have to be 1 frame to be useful. It just has to have invulnerability. Yes, but it doesn't mean you can use 360A on wakeup and expect it to win against a properly timed meaty. Use backdash or 720.
mAc Chaos Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 A reversal doesn't have to be 1 frame to be useful. It just has to have invulnerability. Unless your Tager, in which case it doesn't matter what you do because your character sucks. SIR is a terrible "reversal" though, I must admit. I've been 720'd out of it so many times. Or just lost the game because it has like practically 0 (actually 0?) invulnerability frames so you always trade instead of countering. Probably the #1 move that's invulnerable that you should never use as a reversal is Led Ley >_> wut why else would you use led ley then
toanenadiz Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 You would be an amazing Bang player if you could do the combos Mucky.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 wut why else would you use led ley then I. AM. DISAPPOINT.
abadlime Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 A reversal doesn't have to be 1 frame to be useful. It just has to have invulnerability. Unless your Tager, in which case it doesn't matter what you do because your character sucks. SIR is a terrible "reversal" though, I must admit. I've been 720'd out of it so many times. Or just lost the game because it has like practically 0 (actually 0?) invulnerability frames so you always trade instead of countering. Probably the #1 move that's invulnerable that you should never use as a reversal is Led Ley >_> Though, most hazamas refrain from using it as a reversal, unless they plan on rapiding on block. I think counter assault would be more useful for him though. wut why else would you use led ley then mix up/confusion. led ley is pretty decent with ignis out though.
Mucky Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 You would be an amazing Bang player if you could do anything Mucky. Fixed.
toanenadiz Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 > Says Led Ley shouldn't be used as a reversal > Uses it after being knocked down at the start of his next match Fixed. You get tons of hits though. So you are doing something right
mAc Chaos Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 mix up/confusion. led ley is pretty decent with ignis out though. oh right that > Says Led Ley shouldn't be used as a reversal > Uses it after being knocked down at the start of his next match exposed
abadlime Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 > Says Led Ley shouldn't be used as a reversal > Uses it after being knocked down at the start of his next match No one can resist led ley > grab
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 > Says Led Ley shouldn't be used as a reversal > Uses it after being knocked down at the start of his next match Yeah, and did you notice what happened? But then, did you see what happened when I used it as a reaction to Makoto using a move that forces her to move forward? (look at Led Ley's animation and you'll suddenly understand why Relius has no-clip on when he uses Led Ley) Hint #2: Ignis has lots of move that push/pull Hint #3: Ignis has lots of multi-hit moves that deliberately don't guard combo I think Makoto's about to the join the shitlist of characters I just hate.
Moy_X7 Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 > Says Led Ley shouldn't be used as a reversal > Uses it after being knocked down at the start of his next match Did it at least work to dodge shit or did he get blown up for it? If it's the former, then I guess you can't really tell him a thing since it worked and he's probably going to say that he was either trolling or had a really strong read lol
mAc Chaos Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Hint #3: Ignis has lots of multi-hit moves that deliberately don't guard combo What do you mean by guard combo?
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 They really do need to fix Relius' bullshit Barrier Burst ignore with Ignis, that shit makes me feel like I'm playing a broken character. It doesn't even make any sense. What do you mean by guard combo? It will red beat on hit, but on guard it will "blue beat" thus giving the opponent a chance to do something (i.e. mash DP). You can test it by setting training dummy to "Block First Hit Only" because then it'll block all hits that guard combo (you can take your hands off the controller and you'll still auto-guard guard combos) Ignis 2D and Ignis 214C both don't "guard combo" on block
abadlime Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 They really do need to fix Relius' bullshit Barrier Burst ignore with Ignis, that shit makes me feel like I'm playing a broken character. It doesn't even make any sense. Except he's not. Plenty of characters have burst proof stuff. Arakune is one that comes to mind.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Except he's not. Plenty of characters have burst proof stuff. Arakune is one that comes to mind. Their stuff doesn't even compare lol. I mean like, Ignis just has to be out and half the time she'll absorb Burst for you for no particular reason, even though relius is standing in front of her. It makes absolutely no sense at all. I've gotten so many auto-pilot wins thanks to it (I pretend I did it on purpose afterwards, naturally )
abadlime Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) Their stuff doesn't even compare lol. I mean like, Ignis just has to be out and half the time she'll absorb Burst for you for no particular reason, even though relius is standing in front of her. It makes absolutely no sense at all. I've gotten so many auto-pilot wins thanks to it (I pretend I did it on purpose afterwards, naturally ) Isn't that the point though? Relius gets his through ignis (which probably wasn't on purpose) Arakune can still 6k while staying away Edit: didn't read edit. What did you do to even get burst safe? When i use him, i don't recall ever using ignis as burst sheild. Edited January 5, 2013 by abadlime
Goldchampion200 Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Yeah, and did you notice what happened? But then, did you see what happened when I used it as a reaction to Makoto using a move that forces her to move forward? (look at Led Ley's animation and you'll suddenly understand why Relius has no-clip on when he uses Led Ley) Hint #2: Ignis has lots of move that push/pull Hint #3: Ignis has lots of multi-hit moves that deliberately don't guard combo I think Makoto's about to the join the shitlist of characters I just hate. B-but dat TAIL its soo soft and fluffy how can you hate that D:
mAc Chaos Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 They really do need to fix Relius' bullshit Barrier Burst ignore with Ignis, that shit makes me feel like I'm playing a broken character. It doesn't even make any sense. It will red beat on hit, but on guard it will "blue beat" thus giving the opponent a chance to do something (i.e. mash DP). You can test it by setting training dummy to "Block First Hit Only" because then it'll block all hits that guard combo (you can take your hands off the controller and you'll still auto-guard guard combos) Ignis 2D and Ignis 214C both don't "guard combo" on block Oh, so you just mean that the multi hit moves Ignis has have gaps that can be attacked through? Also I liked how Mucky picked random for the song but it was still X Matic which I would've picked anyway.
Chaoschao222 Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 B-but dat TAIL its soo soft and fluffy how can you hate that D: Trufax, Makoto is far to fluffy for malice.
toanenadiz Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 arghhhh bang and his fucking nails You have no idea how annoying they are.
mAc Chaos Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 You have no idea how annoying they are. They're especially pesky against Relius since no matter where I go they still stop me from getting out Ignis. Also I gotta log off soon.
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