Kiba Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I wanted to pick up Tsubaki for CS2, but picked Platinum instead since most of the Tsubakis on netplay spamed specials (j[D] > j214D) so I never really saw he amazing side to her. At the end of CS2, I began watching a few good Tsubakis from JP and I really feel for her again, but the Extend nerf made me forget her. A friend of mine is learning Tsubaki... I may join him, I really want to, but I gotta' stop neglecting my Platinum >.< I lover her pressure and mix-ups, I just don't like the idea of standing full screen spamming specials, which reminds me, is 236D safe on block? (Don't know extend frame data) Spamming specials can be stuffed though so I don't see the problem. They can be AA'd, she can be thrown out of them, or alternatively just block and punish. They're not even safe on block. 236D is not safe on block. It's -4, and on IB you can CH 5A her.
Kujikawa Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I never said it was a problem to deal with, it's just a lot of people do it, but I do have very limited Tsubaki experience. Might give her a little go when I get home, she seems hella' fun, 22D unblockable mix-ups all day.
kyzer Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Spamming specials can be stuffed though so I don't see the problem. They can be AA'd, she can be thrown out of them, or alternatively just block and punish. They're not even safe on block. 236D is not safe on block. It's -4, and on IB you can CH 5A her. Tsubaki is soo boring to watch beyond belief even lol. Valk on he other hand is amazing is that the character you play? I really do like seeing valk players I need to get that match up experience vs him tbh he's very difficult to defend against. One thing that does interest me about tsubaki is how to escape her reset into unblockable, does it require you to tech at the right time in order to miss the overhead?
Kiba Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Tsubaki is soo boring to watch beyond belief even lol. Valk on he other hand is amazing is that the character you play? I really do like seeing valk players I need to get that match up experience vs him tbh he's very difficult to defend against. One thing that does interest me about tsubaki is how to escape her reset into unblockable, does it require you to tech at the right time in order to miss the overhead? You are actually killing me here lmfaorofl Yes, I play Valk too. He gets away with too much BS, and I'm pretty much a bastard for that. You have to look out for too much when you're blocking. Are you talking about the 6A reset > Unblockable? You can escape that by either teching immediately and then opting for a DP, or delay the tech so that you tech just as the unblockable is about to come out. If an unblockable is not used you will not get reset. Also, if you stay on the ground or tech immediately without doing anything, you will get reset. If her combo is too prorated then she may not be able to use the 6A at the end, and you can tech to avoid it and then punish her on whiff. It's kinda bad on whiff.
Kujikawa Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) I enjoy watching a good Tsubaki (Like Kiba), surprisingly, a lot more then I do with Valk (Probs cuz' I always play agaisnt a Valk player). Valk, in my opinion, is the best character in the game. Edited March 19, 2012 by Kujikawa
Kiba Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I enjoy watching a good Tsubaki (Like Kiba), surprisingly, a lot more then I do with Valk (Probs cuz' I always play agaisnt a Valk player). Valk, in my opinion, is the best character in the game. Really? Thanks. I guess it varies for me. I really enjoy creative Valk players that use variation enders for oki options. I also enjoy the movements that employ and the pressure they use, and it's good because I'm usually findinf new things in each video. Luckily Valk almost always appears in the videos by PK/Jourdal/GameAcho, and he's always in the Gulliver matches. Unfortunately Valk's combos are pretty repetitive. I like watching Tsubaki mixup and combos, since she has a ton of variation, but her pressure really lacking, and it becomes even more tiresome to watch when players are basically using her combo (5BB > 2BB > 5BB) on block, since it's so mainstream and lacks mixup. I'm always keen to see new ways of pressure though.
Manta Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Unlimited tournament where you're only allowed to use U.Tager Bastards haven't updated him since CS. He still has the old motion for Voltic charge and many of his moves are actually worse than EX Tager's.
Kiba Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Profound Sadness. Well, at least you're closer to London than the others, though I doubt that makes much difference lol.
Manta Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I come down to london all of the time. I have a job AND a car. It's really not a problem.
Kiba Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Soooooo, Thinking about coming Astral Heat next week?
kyzer Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 @ Kiba: Thanks for the advice man I'll be sure to test it in matches, I really want to get some practice in for this game I want to be the best player ideally with lambda and Mu I also want to help the scene out with Carl. Are there any other Carl players I could get advice from? Btw I really like your Valk just because your movement with him is ridiculously good it's not really the combo's as such, I'd also like to say that I think valk is very good but his weakness are quite apparent as a character. He's strong but once knocked down or cornered he's a puppy.
Kiba Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) @ Kiba: Thanks for the advice man I'll be sure to test it in matches, I really want to get some practice in for this game I want to be the best player ideally with lambda and Mu I also want to help the scene out with Carl. Are there any other Carl players I could get advice from? No probz. I heard Isuyaru is a really good Carl player. I'm sure Niko could give you a lot of good advice too. I'm not sure on anyone else, nor am I sure whether the Carl forums will be beneficial to you, but you ought to check it out anyway. Btw I really like your Valk just because your movement with him is ridiculously good it's not really the combo's as such, I'd also like to say that I think valk is very good but his weakness are quite apparent as a character. He's strong but once knocked down or cornered he's a puppy. Thanks I appreciate it, but I don't think my movement is that great. I just really use the basics to get in, out and around, not to mention I still need to work on my C - cancels. Defensively yes I would agree with that. Have to barrier or IB to get out really. It doesn't help that he only has 4 primers too, but it's expected. Edited March 19, 2012 by Kiba
Chazmobile Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Fuck Valk, the bastard doesn't even need to block if your movement is good. Despite this I still love facing good ones, for example our little set last wednesday was so much fun Kiba, felt like I learned a hell of a lot. I just hope I wasn't too crappy.... He's pretty awesome as a character though, badass werewolf butler :D
Kiba Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I like how my attachment showed even though it wasn't even intentional. Dammit. Anyway, I'm glad you learnt alot Chaz, and they were fun. I just hope I wasn't too crappy.... Stop it.
Chazmobile Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Anyway, I'm glad you learnt alot Chaz, and they were fun. Stop it. Yeah they were, as much as I hate that old bastard, playing against him really makes you think you know? I also need to play your Tsubaki more, haven't a clue about that matchup. But it's truuuuuueeee! Nah I kid, I just some really weird self-esteem issues when it comes to this game. I mean I try so hard to be modest and shit. @Symm I'm sorry did you just say Chuuu? We aren't having Lars mirrors. CHUUUUU!
Kujikawa Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 I'm like an hour car jounery away, but no car. I'll have my licence by the end of this year (Hopefully). Trains are cool, but I have bad experiences >.< :S Going back onto Tsubaki, I remember my pressure invovling 2A, 5B(B), 2B(B) and fuck loads of 5D cancels lol.
Kiba Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Cannae do midweek events cap'n. Yeah they were, as much as I hate that old bastard, playing against him really makes you think you know? I also need to play your Tsubaki more, haven't a clue about that matchup. But it's truuuuuueeee! Nah I kid, I just some really weird self-esteem issues when it comes to this game. I mean I try so hard to be modest and shit. You guys should try playing americans. It's not so bad is it? But sure, I will teach ya some Tsubaki. I get condemned for modesty, so I've learnt my lesson on that part. I'm like an hour car jounery away, but no car. I'll have my licence by the end of this year (Hopefully). Trains are cool, but I have bad experiences >.< :S Going back onto Tsubaki, I remember my pressure invovling 2A, 5B(B), 2B(B) and fuck loads of 5D cancels lol. Fair. Charge cancels are good and bad. Using them a lot may allow opponents to to start getting mashy and losing to Tsubaki's charge cancels, though I would not completely recommend it because it can be outpoked if players are alert and provides an escape route. Kara throws are also very useful.
Shruikon Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 My biggest problem is autopiloting into charge cancels right now. Though I've been mixing it up a little bit with just ending with 22C instead which I think is a frametrap incase they do think I'll charge cancel and start mashing? Not sure on the gap there actually. I need to start using 5/2A and just 5B more in strings so I can add in jump cancel pressure more. Also I must disagree with Kyzer(tron) in that Tsubaki is boring to watch. Her combos always look so spiffy~
kyzer Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Also I must disagree with Kyzer(tron) in that Tsubaki is boring to watch. Her combos always look so spiffy~ Oh I know that Kyzertron guy he copied my robo style totally different guy though. Lol Seriously though I really don't hate tsubaki that much I just prefer Kiba's valk. It's an ongoing joke I keep making, I really dislike tsubaki's hat it annoys me to no end lol. She has gotten a lot better to look at though in CSEX.
Kriegdrache Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Bastards haven't updated him since CS. He still has the old motion for Voltic charge and many of his moves are actually worse than EX Tager's. Same as U.Haku lol, he still has his CS1 motions. I really like playing as U.Haku though, command dash costing no meter, so sexy~
Kiba Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Though I've been mixing it up a little bit with just ending with 22C instead which I think is a frametrap incase they do think I'll charge cancel and start mashing? Mhm. Seriously though I really don't hate tsubaki that much I just prefer Kiba's valk. It's an ongoing joke I keep making, I really dislike tsubaki's hat it annoys me to no end lol. She has gotten a lot better to look at though in CSEX. The joke usually doesn't get old. I've grown more accustomed to the hat, though I know it's not the greatest haha. Im Starting To Dislike my Gameplay Fantastic.
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