[CSE] PSN Match Finder/GG Thread

[Lich]

Brkrdave thought he knew the match up too and every time I enter a room with you in it, you leave...

Uuhhm when was the last time you entered a room with me in it? 8 months ago? But you know there are other Mus that exist in the world. I don't know if you know that.

[mAc Chaos]

Who are they, I want to play them.

[Lich]

All I do is play against Mu all day, I know how she works. All I know is, I get way more success from my usual style rather than playing with more respect and fear. It just gives her an excuse to go HAM and perfect you. It's precisely because she gets so much damage off of her hits, that you have to push forward to keep her on defense. That is what I do, anyway, and it works for me.

Technically Hazama is way more mashy. :P

Technically Hazama is way more mashy when you wake up pressing a button on literally every wake up and Hazama has to respect more often times than not with no meterless reversal and a shitty backdash. His buttons are good for mashing out, but so are Haku-mens.

[Lich]

Who are they, I want to play them.

PochP, who I think is the strongest, sentrykat, and Tectal.

[mAc Chaos]

Hakumen's counters are rolling the dice for like 2k, going to eat a punish if you mess up.

Hazama, mash 2A, mash anything into huge combo because he always has meter, then build it all up during that combo and start the whole thing over again. He doesn't need a good backdash.

Hakumen's normals are great don't get me wrong, but it's like S tier with Hazama.

[Nemesis]

Uuhhm when was the last time you entered a room with me in it? 8 months ago? But you know there are other Mus that exist in the world. I don't know if you know that.

Several times

And that's entirely my point - you talk like you know it inside and telling ppl they are wrong - when really you are giving out stale advice to what is clearly a modular situayion

[Lich]

Hakumen's counters are rolling the dice for like 2k, going to eat a punish if you mess up.

Hazama, mash 2A, mash anything into huge combo because he always has meter, then build it all up during that combo and start the whole thing over again. He doesn't need a good backdash.

Hakumen's normals are great don't get me wrong, but it's like S tier with Hazama.

See that's the thing, you have to be a lot more careful with Hazama's mash because nothing has invulnerability or is a COUNTER. You have to call 'em out. Yeah you get more reward, but the risk is greater. And if Haku-mens counters are so not worth it, why do you roll the dice on literally every wake up, with either a grab, a button, or a counter? It's because just the fact that Haku-men has counters means that it's an option people have to respect, allowing you to mash more often than other characters.

[Lich]

Several times

And that's entirely my point - you talk like you know it inside and telling ppl they are wrong - when really you are giving out stale advice to what is clearly a modular situayion

Let's play.

[mAc Chaos]

See that's the thing, you have to be a lot more careful with Hazama's mash because nothing has invulnerability or is a COUNTER. You have to call 'em out. Yeah you get more reward, but the risk is greater. And if Haku-mens counters are so not worth it, why do you roll the dice on literally every wake up, with either a grab, a button, or a counter? It's because just the fact that Haku-men has counters means that it's an option people have to respect, allowing you to mash more often than other characters.

I didn't say they're not worth it, but it's way more of a call out to use his counters than Haz 2A, are you kidding. 2A is still an attack; if I decide to just block on your wakeup, now I'm in pressure. You do that to me, I am sitting there like a retard and going to eat a huge combo. His 2A is also one of the fastest, has a great hitbox and with iB you can pretty much punish a ton of blockstrings. You don't need to guess between throws, highs or lows either.

But yeah, part of the reason I like to use counters is because they help condition the opponent. (But so does a lot of other stuff.) It is also the only way out in certain situations. For instance, sometimes just blocking a move means you are in trouble now, and a counter is the only way to push your advantage.

Really it just boils down to personal preference, not strategy though. I mean, they keep nerfing it every game, if I was using them purely because of how great they were then I would just block all the time. I just enjoy making it a RPS game.

Edited October 10, 2013 by mAc Chaos

[Nemesis]

Let's play.

That would be delightful as you would pose quite the challenge i am sure, but after my set with Mac I just drove out of town to another house sitting job ... unless your ready to power through the wireless here ~_~

I'll be setting up my shit to lab work but I'll still fight ppl with tolerable connections

[mAc Chaos]

Nemesis, why don't you tell us what you think. Do you have more trouble against me when I am more passive, or not?

[Lich]

I didn't say they're not worth it, but it's way more of a call out to use his counters than his 2A, are you kidding. 2A is still an attack; if I decide to just block on your wakeup, now I'm in pressure. You do that to me, I am sitting there like a retard and going to eat a huge combo. His 2A is also one of the fastest, has a great hitbox and with iB you can pretty much punish a ton of blockstrings. You don't need to guess between throws, highs or lows either.

But yeah, part of the reason I like to use counters is because they help condition the opponent. (But so does a lot of other stuff.) It is also the only way out in certain situations. For instance, sometimes just blocking a move means you are in trouble now, and a counter is the only way to push your advantage.

Really it just boils down to personal preference, not strategy though. I mean, they keep nerfing it every game, if I was using them purely because of how great they were then I would just block all the time. I just enjoy making it a RPS game.

There are so many fewer situations taht you would want to block on my wake-up though unlike with haku-men who actually has several reversals. The only thing you should fear about blocking on my wake-up is houtenjin which is not something that is worth the risk to do a lot. Because if you happen to bait it not only do I not have enough meter to run it back and kill you with damage, where Hazama's true fraudulence is, I get to eat a giant combo. So more often times than not, you shouldn't be blocking on my wake-up. I don't have NEARLY as many options as haku-men you can't even argue that.

[Lich]

That would be delightful as you would pose quite the challenge i am sure, but after my set with Mac I just drove out of town to another house sitting job ... unless your ready to power through the wireless here ~_~

I'll be setting up my shit to lab work but I'll still fight ppl with tolerable connections

Well send me a friend request then, and next time you're around with a stable connection invite me.

[toanenadiz]

I didn't say they're not worth it, but it's way more of a call out to use his counters than Haz 2A, are you kidding. 2A is still an attack; if I decide to just block on your wakeup, now I'm in pressure.

Why would you block on Hazama's wake-up?

[Nemesis]

Nemesis, why don't you tell us what you think. Do you have more trouble against me when I am more passive, or not?

Those are the games that I won with full life bars

There simply is nothing I enjoy more than crushing defensive and overly careful players... its when you refuse to respect me and punish my compulsions that I am have struggled while simultaneously growing during our games

I find that the only way to win vs you truly is to resist natural comlulsions and create new approaches in the moment all the while trying to remember your own compulsions and adapting to that .... sometimes several steps ahead

[mAc Chaos]

Why would you block on Hazama's wake-up?

That was just one example. You can use it against pressure just as well. It's like Tao's 2A, why guess with a counter when you can just straight out beat a ton of stuff? It doesn't need to be on wakeup, it's still great. Plus like Lich said, he has all that damage off every little thing.

Hakumen has a ton of off stuff too but it's funny to me that you always complain about him, Lich, when Haz is worse. I guess we are all blind to our own character's faults. It reminds me of when ArcadeFire would complain about Nu's matchup against Arakune.

[Errol]

I never block on hazama's wakeup, I might bait jayoku, but I never bait it by blocking it.

if he's got even 50 heat he can kill me from half health. i.e. 2 combo victory. Can't not bait it, it's too risky.

[someonewhodied]

ah

that explains why my litchi seems to do better than carl against nemi despite my carl being more developed.

I just need to keep putting pressure on nemi since he's like shiro and me. He doesn't believe in blocking.

[Nemesis]

Well send me a friend request then, and next time you're around with a stable connection invite me.

You got it, I relish these intense battles to be... regardless of the outcome

No matter what skill will improve...

Arugh Mac has a perfect cell reference to this I just can't remember it...

[Errol]

frankly, you all play bullshit characters

[Nemesis]

ah

that explains why my litchi seems to do better than carl against nemi despite my carl being more developed.

I just need to keep putting pressure on nemi since he's like shiro and me. He doesn't believe in blocking.

Do you even know me anymore? I enjoy blocking quite a bit more than I used too ... not to mention my mastery with serene energy blending is vastly improved since pre-evo

Besides ... I don't think you can out-agress me... but fuck let's give it a try I'll set up my ps3

[mAc Chaos]

Also I totally get the mindset of playing it by the book, because you don't want to give them free damage. But in those matchups where they can kill you so easily, the way I look at it, you are bound to make a mistake sometime, and the odds are so in their favor, the only way to win is to shake them out of their comfort zone. Like Nu, everything she had beat Hakumen's, even her up close game was better than his. When you play it straight then you are just letting them use their superior tools against you (unless they just straight up play bad). So you have to put them in situations where they can't use their superior advantages as easily.

[Nemesis]

frankly, you all play bullshit characters

If your talking about me and swd that's.... that includes the entire cast

[Koopa_Klawz]

swd coughin up nemi's secrets

GGs Koop, your friend list is maxed out. How many is the max on PSN anyway.

I want to fight your Tager more. Getting in on that big fat giant and throwing the shit out of him is the reason I play this game.

I'm pretty sure I was pressing throw on those grabs. :/ Anyway, ggs and I made some space on my FL. Go ahead and try again when you can.

[someonewhodied]

Do you even know me anymore? I enjoy blocking quite a bit more than I used too ... not to mention my mastery with serene energy blending is vastly improved since pre-evo

Besides ... I don't think you can out-agress me... but fuck let's give it a try I'll set up my ps3

Tomorrow. Studying for a calc test. And my ps3 is hooked up to my labwork setup. (I use the living room TV for netplay, and my own TV and have my ps3 hooked up to my PVR for labwork)

Also the whole reason I picked up bang, ragna, and tao was to work on playing more aggressive. I realize I'm neither defensive or aggressive. I just create one move or situation i want, and work on only making that happen. Works well on most people.